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    Can I ask why you went with Brass over Aluminum?

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    Default Re: Custom Surefire Upgrades: McClicky Switches


    We couldn't find any Alunminum.

    OK really I don't know why. I do like brass.
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    Default Re: Custom Surefire Upgrades: McClicky Switches

    Im interested, but unsure. I tried the netkidz kits and did not really like them because of the extended switch travel and over all feel, they are good switches otherwise. How does the feel of the Mcclicky compare to the Surefire Z59?

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    Default Re: Custom Surefire Upgrades: McClicky Switches

    Quote Originally Posted by kyhunter1 View Post
    Im interested, but unsure. I tried the netkidz kits and did not really like them because of the extended switch travel and over all feel, they are good switches otherwise. How does the feel of the Mcclicky compare to the Surefire Z59?
    I think the McClicky is smoother. The Z59 and Netkids are fairly close to the same feel in my opinion.

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    Default Re: Custom Surefire Upgrades: McClicky Switches

    McClicky has a shorter travel I'm pretty sure.

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    Default Re: Custom Surefire Upgrades: McClicky Switches

    You are correct Sgt., the McClicky does have a shorter travel.

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    Default Re: Custom Surefire Upgrades: McClicky Switches

    I'm likely in for 2 kits.

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    Default Re: Custom Surefire Upgrades: McClicky Switches

    I'll take one kit for my C2 twisty. Assuming it's somewhat reasonable to "DIY".
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    #1 - Z41 McClicky switch kit - $20
    CONUS shipping 1st class - $4
    total $24.00

    Lemme know when you want PP instant transfer...

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    The upside is the McClicky has a very short, light travel. The downside is that the McClicky has a very short, light travel.

    I've had a McClicky turn on and latch on while the light was in a jacket pocket. Twice. IMO, it is a very sensitive switch. It takes very little travel and very little pressure to engage momentary-on. Although the required travel is somewhat more for constant-on, the force required to click the switch is still quite light.

    The switch in the first version of FiveMega's 1x26500, 2x26500, and 3x26500 hosts has a comparably short travel and light touch for momentary-on. However, my perception is that the travel and force for constant-on are both greater than for the McClicky.

    My SureFire Z48 and Z49 both have much longer travel and much heavier force needed to engage constant-on. I don't mind the longer travel, but the heavier force is a little too much IMO, especially since the SF tailcap has that shroud. It would be nice, IMO, if the switch force could be intermediate between the McClicky and the Z48/Z49.
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    Default Re: Custom Surefire Upgrades: McClicky Switches

    Quote Originally Posted by cmacclel View Post
    Can I ask why you went with Brass over Alunminum?

    Mac
    I designed the part in brass to reduce friction against the body.
    This helps to ensure the retaining ring will stay in place after many many tailcap removals and replacements.

    i.e., the body will not unscrew the retaining ring over time

    These McClicky switch kits have the nicest feel of any forward clicky I have tried.
    Nice short travel, good feedback, perfect spring pressure.

    These Z41 mods are also very usable with thick gloves on. Z59 can be tough to fully depress.

    I have done a lot of testing with these parts and we have a nice product for you guys here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Justin Case View Post
    The upside is the McClicky has a very short, light travel. The downside is that the McClicky has a very short, light travel.

    I've had a McClicky turn on and latch on while the light was in a jacket pocket. Twice. IMO, it is a very sensitive switch. It takes very little travel and very little pressure to engage momentary-on. Although the required travel is a somewhat more for constant-on, the force required to click the switch is still quite light.

    The switch in the first version of FiveMega's 1x26500, 2x26500, and 3x26500 hosts has a comparably short travel and light touch for momentary-on. However, my perception is that the travel and force for constant-on are both greater than for the McClicky.

    My SureFire Z48 and Z49 both have much longer travel and much heavier force needed to engage constant-on. I don't mind the longer travel, but the heavier force is a little too much IMO, especially since the SF tailcap has that shroud. It would be nice, IMO, if the switch force could be intermediate between the McClicky and the Z48/Z49.
    A agree with you for the most part on all of this.

    We chose a new switch boot to go with these kits.
    The new boot is just the right height to help the switch stay off when you want it off. the walls of the boot add a little to the spring pressure of the switch.

    Of course, satisfaction is guaranteed, as with all of our stuff.
    Last edited by Moddoo; 11-19-2009 at 11:47 AM.

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    Default Re: Custom Surefire Upgrades: McClicky Switches

    Will the Clicky Kits work with a Surefire M3 Tailcap too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cmacclel View Post
    Can I ask why you went with Brass over Alunminum?
    The key design difference between the OEM twisty and this clicky adaptation is the method of attachment inside the tailcap. While the aluminum twisty plug is held in with a rivet, our switch holder screws in from the inside. As Moddoo describes, as the tailcap is opened and closed (to lock out the switch and change batteries), the lip of the body drags against the face of the brass ring. This torque, repeated a thousand times, could unscrew the ring. Brass' natural lubrication properties minimizes this drag, reducing the chance of unseating of the ring during use.


    Quote Originally Posted by kyhunter1 View Post
    Im interested, but unsure. I tried the netkidz kits and did not really like them because of the extended switch travel and over all feel, they are good switches otherwise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by QtrHorse View Post
    You are correct Sgt., the McClicky does have a shorter travel.
    Quote Originally Posted by Justin Case View Post
    The upside is the McClicky has a very short, light travel. The downside is that the McClicky has a very short, light travel.
    In use, it feels like the difference between desktop keyboards (long throw) and laptop keyboards (short throw). Momentary on is very easy, while a full click requires an indented press (ie, fingertip) or a solid push onto a flat surface.

    We could develop a tailcap shroud that would minimize accidental activation, without needing to lock out the cap.



    Quote Originally Posted by OfficerCamp View Post
    I'll take one kit for my C2 twisty. Assuming it's somewhat reasonable to "DIY".
    We are developing a second, easier method to remove the rivet and will document both methods for ease of installation.


    Quote Originally Posted by Lumilo View Post
    Will the Clicky Kits work with a Surefire M3 Tailcap too?
    We've not yet tested all possible options, but they should be compatible with the following models:

    6P / 9P / C2 / C3 / Z2 / Z3 / G2 / G3 / M2 / M3 / M3T / M4
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    Default Re: Custom Surefire Upgrades: McClicky Switches

    #02 - Z41 McClicky switch kit - $20 coming soon
    #1 - Z41-HA host - gray/2 - $18 coming soon
    All US (50 states) - USPS Priority box w/confirmation, $7 per order (tracking available with insurance)

    Total 45.00
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    New to being a Flashoholic but have always had a taste for the good stuff. I edc a Malkoff MD2 with M60W or Surefire C2 with m61. XM-18 along with Victorinox cybertool 29 and Leatherman crunch.

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    Default Re: Custom Surefire Upgrades: McClicky Switches

    I'm in for two switch kits. I just received a Netkidz installed in a Z41 and I really don't like the feel of it.

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    Default Re: Custom Surefire Upgrades: McClicky Switches


    CPF: ledcarry
    #09 - Z41 McClicky switch kit - $20 coming soon
    #10 - Z41 McClicky switch kit - $20 coming soon

    1st Class envelope w/confirmation, $4 per order (tracking available with insurance)
    Shipping insurance, $3 per order (not responsible for loss/damage without it)
    Total: $47.00

    PayPal payment made.

    Thanks,

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    Last edited by ledcarry; 11-22-2009 at 02:26 PM. Reason: Corrected entry from delayed pament

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    Default Re: Custom Surefire Upgrades: McClicky Switches

    There will be plenty of upgrade kits to go around, but tailcap hosts are in limited supply.

    If you want to reserve a tailcap host in your preferred finish/color, consider making a deposit.



    Extra note:
    We've still not tried the original twisty design, but we did get our hands on the intermediate design.
    These are identified by a dimple in the knurling:



    They have the particular challenge that the inside threading does not go all the way down into the barrel.
    Testing shows our brass ring to be thick enough to fully compress the switch and boot, while still 'in the the threads'.

    These are now officially supported.
    Last edited by ElectronGuru; 11-20-2009 at 01:48 PM.
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    Default Re: Custom Surefire Upgrades: McClicky Switches

    I'll take:

    #04 - Z41 McClicky switch kit - $20 coming soon (Is an orange boot a possibility?)
    #01 - Z41-HA host - black/2 - $18 coming soon
    Last edited by Teego; 11-20-2009 at 11:25 PM.

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    Default Re: Custom Surefire Upgrades: McClicky Switches

    I'll take:

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    #5 - Z41 McClicky switch kit - $20
    #2 - Z41-HA host - black/2 - $18 (matte finish)
    CONUS 1st Class envelope w/confirmation, $4
    Total: $42.00

    Paypal sent.


    P.S. Look at that! Same price as MSRP for Surefire Z59 (if the Z59 is shipped for free). The benefit is this one has a slightly more protruding boot and is hard anodized.

    Last edited by copperfox; 11-22-2009 at 08:17 PM. Reason: paypal sent


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    Quote Originally Posted by Teego View Post
    Is an orange boot a possibility?
    Sgt. LED was asking about that, so we made an early prototype:





    We'll have a variety of colors, including orange.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ElectronGuru View Post
    We'll have a variety of colors, including orange.
    Very cool. Looking forward to seeing all of the available colors.

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    Default Re: Custom Surefire Upgrades: McClicky Switches

    #4 Z41 McClicky switch kit - $20
    #1 Z41-HA host -- black/1 - $18
    1st Class envelope w/conf. - $4
    ----------------- subtotal - $42
    PayPal surcharge = 42 x 4%- $1.68
    == grand total == $43.68

    Let me know when you're ready for payment.

    Thanks,
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    Quote Originally Posted by smflorkey View Post
    Let me know when you're ready for payment.
    Please send full or partial deposit now to secure your preferred Z41 host.

    Thanks,
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    Quote Originally Posted by ElectronGuru View Post
    Please send full or partial deposit now to secure your preferred Z41 host.
    PayPal sent for the full amount.

    Thanks,
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    Default Re: Custom Surefire Upgrades: McClicky Switches

    I know I put a deposit on one already, but hey, why not two? This time I'll just take the next available switch kit by itself.

    #05 or 06, depending - Z41 McClicky switch kit



    Last edited by Teego; 11-20-2009 at 11:25 PM.

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    Thinking Re: Custom Surefire Upgrades: McClicky Switches

    Actually, thinking about it I've a Z41 on my bored C2-HA from ElectronGuru.

    What tools would I need to remove the STD switch and install the kit? Also brief instructions would be useful so I can get an idea of how troublesome it'll be / how likely I am to screw it up...

    Thx,

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    CPF: Tim W
    #6 - Z41 McClicky switch kit - $20
    US shipping $4
    total $24.00

    Last edited by Tim W; 11-21-2009 at 09:07 AM.

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    Any plans for a McClicky that will work in a Z59

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    Default Re: Custom Surefire Upgrades: McClicky Switches

    Quote Originally Posted by Saranic View Post
    Any plans for a McClicky that will work in a Z59
    Why would you want that? It's already a clicky. Does the feel of the switch bother you that much?


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