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    Shrug Thrunite Catapult or Olight M21 Warrior?

    I know they use the same emitter but the catapult is rated at much higher output.
    Which one is worthy of my hard earned cash???

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    Default Re: Thrunite Catapult or Olight M21 Warrior?

    Good question.
    I'm not so sure if I'm qualified to answer it.
    From waht I'v read so far the
    M21 weights 115 gr and has a reflector with a diameter of 40,2 mm.
    The Catapult weights 390 gr. and has a reflector with a diameter of 58 mm.

    So for me the weight is a factor to base the decision.

    Hope this helps.
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    PS: The M21 is on top of my list and I hope to get it by next week.

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    Default Re: Thrunite Catapult or Olight M21 Warrior?

    The Catapult is a much larger light with a larger reflector so it's mass allows the LED to be driven much harder.

    Their fundamental character is very different. The M21 is a super bright tactical class light, the Catapult is a search/resuce thrower class light.

    They're both great lights worthy of your cash - the deciding factor is what type of light you need.

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    Catapult = Christmas present to myself
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    The catapult doesnt have anything special other than the emitter.. the beam is rather sharp so will not do very well at indoors or close range use.

    Get the M21 if you had to choose between those 2.


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    Default Re: Thrunite Catapult or Olight M21 Warrior?

    Sure it does - it's the only purpose built thrower in the large/multi-die class. It's really nicely put together, excellent fit/finish and ridiculously bright - it's not really made as an indoors light - that's what EDC's are for.

    Like I said, apples and oranges.

    Of course the simple answer is to buy them both!

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    Quote Originally Posted by richardcpf View Post
    The catapult doesnt have anything special other than the emitter.. the beam is rather sharp so will not do very well at indoors or close range use.

    Get the M21 if you had to choose between those 2.
    the obvious answer is both...duh.
    honestly, i don't have an M21 but i'm already sold on it since i have an M30 which is great and an M20 w/ the R2 which is the best $100 i've spent on a light.
    i did receive a Catapult last week and its great but not what i anticipated, however i'm by no means disappointed. judging by ThruNite's claims and beam shots i thought it would be like an amped up version of my A9. in reality, the beam pattern is more like overlapping the A9 and M30 so it works very well in close unlike the A9.

    3 things you may or may not like depending on preference:

    >the tint is not white but more yellowish green. i did not expect this but do like it as its glare off the leaves and trees looks a little less artificial than a neutral/cool white.
    >you'll have to use rechargeables, no primaries for the latest version.
    >its heavy, but not what i would call cumbersome.

    the beam pattern is great and makes the light far more practical than i thought it would be. now i'll have to finance an M21....

    Matt...is it possible to swap the heads between the M20 and 21...or the tail cap for that matter?

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    Default Re: Thrunite Catapult or Olight M21 Warrior?

    Hmm, I haven't tried swapping heads but I'd bet they LEGO. Whatchya thinking?

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    Shootout between the Wolf Eyes 6A MC-Explorer and the Olight M21 Warrior.
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    Default Re: Thrunite Catapult or Olight M21 Warrior?

    WE claims more lumens and is 18650 only - CR123A's only for emergencies which tells me they're probably driving it harder and it probably has more total output - the Olight was 'detuned' to be CR123A safe/friendly.

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    Default Re: Thrunite Catapult or Olight M21 Warrior?

    Thanks everyone for your thoughts.

    I'm a serving Police officer in the UK and i just want the brightest, most practical torch (sorry, flashlight! lol) that i can carry everyday. A good mixture of flood and throw is what i'm after the most.

    I'm using an MTE M3-2 Cree MC-E at the moment which i bought after i gave my Father my Q5 Solarforce (great throw but wanted more output). Although i'm relatively happy with the MTE, and it does push out the light, it certainly isnt in the 700 lumen bracket as advertised and being an MC-E emitter it has quite a poor throw.

    The size of the head on the Catapult was my own minor concern but i think that is only a slight issue especially if it throws great.

    I also considered a P7 as i heard that they were a great emitter but i couldnt find a decent one i liked.

    My next purchase is going to be the one that i will keep for a long time and i have to be confident in it's ability before i spend my cash.

    If anyone has any alternative suggestions other than these two that i could consider then please let me know!!

    By the way, i always love the dedication and knowledge on CPF, it makes a refreshing change from some forums!!

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    Default Re: Thrunite Catapult or Olight M21 Warrior?

    For a police officer the M21 is hands down a better choice for daily duty carry. You might also consider an M30 - but IMO the Catapult is too large for a duty light.

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    Default Re: Thrunite Catapult or Olight M21 Warrior?

    Quote Originally Posted by MattK View Post
    For a police officer the M21 is hands down a better choice for daily duty carry. You might also consider an M30 - but IMO the Catapult is too large for a duty light.
    Unless you've been carrying a Magcharger or Ultrastinger on your belt...
    The Phaser: A nice EDC with great throw; heat and runtime can be issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattK View Post
    Hmm, I haven't tried swapping heads but I'd bet they LEGO. Whatchya thinking?
    if i'm going somewhere i like to pack as light (weight) as possible. i thought it would be a benefit if i could take both heads but only one body and switch

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    Default Re: Thrunite Catapult or Olight M21 Warrior?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phaserburn View Post
    Unless you've been carrying a Magcharger or Ultrastinger on your belt...
    LOL - point made - you're right!

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    Default Re: Thrunite Catapult or Olight M21 Warrior?

    For the amount of output that these lights put out i really am not too bothered about the extra wait of the catapult.

    I have just seen the Solarforce Skyline on another thread. Has anyone got one of these or could be objective compared to the M21 or Thrunite?

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    I got my M21 today. The beam is similar to my M30 with a large hot spot and bright spill. The spill is not as wide as the M30 and the transition from spot to spill is very smooth. It is not going to be anything close to a thrower. Just from a initial white wall hunt, it does produce lots of light for it's size. Comparing it to two lights I have with similar beam patterns, I would put it somewhere in the middle of my PD30 and my M30. 350 lumens, maybe a bit more. The beam is very good. It is smooth and centered. Fit and finish is typical Olight. I am looking forward to seeing what it can do outside tonight. I wish I could snap a couple of pictures for you, but my camera isn't working.
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    Default Re: Thrunite Catapult or Olight M21 Warrior?

    I would love to see some beam shots if you can get a camera!!

    I think i am swaying towards the Catapult at the moment. It just looks like a very well made light that should be able to put up with any potential knocks that may come its way when i'm on duty. Ive only ever had cree emitters though so i will be stepping into "unlightened" territory!!

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    More info:

    I see no output difference between 18650 and RCR123's. Though the difference is hard to see on other multi powered lights, I have seen a difference A/B'ing my T20C2 and T10LC2.
    I also notice no PWM on low and medium.

    As far as my camera goes, the jack for the usb is broken, so I can't load pictures onto my computer. Sorry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Biodarren View Post
    I would love to see some beam shots if you can get a camera!!

    I think i am swaying towards the Catapult at the moment. It just looks like a very well made light that should be able to put up with any potential knocks that may come its way when i'm on duty.
    i'll get some tonight...i have an M20 and M30 so i can do comparison shots.

    Quote Originally Posted by Painful Chafe View Post
    I got my M21 today. The beam is similar to my M30 with a large hot spot and bright spill. The spill is not as wide as the M30 and the transition from spot to spill is very smooth. It is not going to be anything close to a thrower. Just from a initial white wall hunt, it does produce lots of light for it's size. Comparing it to two lights I have with similar beam patterns, I would put it somewhere in the middle of my PD30 and my M30. 350 lumens, maybe a bit more. The beam is very good. It is smooth and centered. Fit and finish is typical Olight. I am looking forward to seeing what it can do outside tonight. I wish I could snap a couple of pictures for you, but my camera isn't working.
    i haven't been able to find a thorough review on the M21 so i'll punish you w/ some questions. it sounds like you're less than impressed. i never expected it to have more flood than an M30 but does it at least have more throw? i was hoping it would have a beam more like the M20 but a lot brighter, now it sounds like its somewhere in between, yes/no? do you feel as though its a practical light? if you have to grab a light on short notice would this be one of the first you reach for? if not then what would you grab before this?

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    The M30 actually has a little more throw, and the M30 isn't at all a thrower. The hotspot is very wide. I do like it for indoor use and if I was walking in woods. It does light up a room very nicely. If you are at all looking for throw, I would go with something else. I think it is a very good light for certain purposes. It is very bright for its size. There are probably some MC-E and P7's its size that are as bright, but they get very hot after a few minutes and I'm assuming the M21 will have better runtime. I've had the M21 running for about 15 and it only gets warm.

    It's not that I'm not impressed with it. I am. I was just hoping for a little more throw. Just imagine what an MC-E would look like in a light with a reflector the size of an M21. This does make perfect sense since the LED's are about the same size. If this is what you are after, I recommend it. If you are looking for a light with throw close to an M20, but brighter, the M21 is a totally different animal.
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    I found a really good picture of a M20 Ti compared to a M20 R5 and Q5. This sums up pretty well what I'm seeing with the hotspot. The M21 does have a slightly larger reflector than the M20 Ti, so the throw/lux may be a little bit better.

    M20Ti---M20 R2---M20 Q5



    Here is the M20 Ti





    And the M20 R2

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    Default Re: Thrunite Catapult or Olight M21 Warrior?

    Thanks for the beam shots.
    You wouldn't happen to have any taken between 100-150 ft. would you?

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    Sorry, the pictures above were stolen from other peoples reviews. That is all I could find.
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    Default Re: Thrunite Catapult or Olight M21 Warrior?

    Quote Originally Posted by Biodarren View Post
    I would love to see some beam shots if you can get a camera!!

    I think i am swaying towards the Catapult at the moment. It just looks like a very well made light that should be able to put up with any potential knocks that may come its way when i'm on duty. Ive only ever had cree emitters though so i will be stepping into "unlightened" territory!!
    Here are some pics I said I would post yesterday, sorry for the delay.
    I showed the M20 w/ both reflectors. The image does not adequately reflect that Catapult's true tint. It is far more yellowish, not unlike some of the high performance driving lamps you see on some vehicles, notably some PIAA's w/ the amber lenses. I hope this helps.



    Quote Originally Posted by Painful Chafe View Post
    The M30 actually has a little more throw, and the M30 isn't at all a thrower. The hotspot is very wide. I do like it for indoor use and if I was walking in woods. It does light up a room very nicely. If you are at all looking for throw, I would go with something else.
    Thanks for the information...it proved to be extremely helpful. So the M30 can out throw the M21??? That seems like a wasted opportunity for Olight considering the amount of buzz the SST-50 and 90 have generated. If you're gonna revamp the M20 w/ the new LED it seems obvious to make it brighter, which they've done. But I would think they would want to design the light to outperform their M30 in some fashion. Throw would have seemed the obvious factor to address, especially when you consider that Olight has no dedicated thrower in their product line. I'm not saying the M21 should have been a dedicated thrower but it doesn't take much to out throw an M30. It does sound like an extremely practical light but I've got that covered.

    I decided to opt for Dereelight's DBS V3 w/ the MC-E. I also ordered and R2 pill (WG bin) and an SMR reflector. I figure that w/ 4 possible configurations that I should be able to get at least 2 different lights from one base unit. And then there is also the aspheric head...which are just plain fun. Thanks again for the info, Painful Chafe...that might be the first time I've ever typed the word "chafe."

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    Default Re: Thrunite Catapult or Olight M21 Warrior?

    To make the M21 a thrower the reflector would have been too big and taken the light out of the tactical size class. Most 'tactical' situations take place in a relatively short range, not over distance, so a dedicated thrower doesn't make sense for tactical applications.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stallion2 View Post
    Thanks for the information...it proved to be extremely helpful. So the M30 can out throw the M21??? That seems like a wasted opportunity for Olight considering the amount of buzz the SST-50 and 90 have generated. If you're gonna revamp the M20 w/ the new LED it seems obvious to make it brighter, which they've done. But I would think they would want to design the light to outperform their M30 in some fashion. Throw would have seemed the obvious factor to address, especially when you consider that Olight has no dedicated thrower in their product line. I'm not saying the M21 should have been a dedicated thrower but it doesn't take much to out throw an M30. It does sound like an extremely practical light but I've got that covered.
    How much bigger is the M30's reflector compared to the M21? I think the M30 vs K50 might be a better comparison.

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    Default Re: Thrunite Catapult or Olight M21 Warrior?

    Thanks a lot for all of the beam shots. Really good.

    I 'WAS' just about to buy the Catapult as it looks like the better performing light overall. However, this may be a minor point to some, but, i've noticed that the Olight comes with various extras, including a holster. This is quite important to me as i have to carry it for up to 12 hours a day. The catapult is 'that' much bigger than my MTE that i doubt very much whether it will fit in my existing holster.

    Does anyone know of a decent holster that will hold this securely??

    Many thanks again for all of your help so far

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    Quote Originally Posted by droeun View Post
    How much bigger is the M30's reflector compared to the M21? I think the M30 vs K50 might be a better comparison.
    head dia: 36mm, 40.2mm, 43.5mm
    the M20, M21, M30 respectively

    as far as the K50 or 90 goes who can tell? i've given up speculating on what they'll be like...only makes me more impatient. if there are more specifics beyond the emitters they're using then i've yet to find it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Biodarren View Post
    Thanks a lot for all of the beam shots. Really good.

    I 'WAS' just about to buy the Catapult as it looks like the better performing light overall. However, this may be a minor point to some, but, i've noticed that the Olight comes with various extras, including a holster. This is quite important to me as i have to carry it for up to 12 hours a day. The catapult is 'that' much bigger than my MTE that i doubt very much whether it will fit in my existing holster.

    Does anyone know of a decent holster that will hold this securely??

    Many thanks again for all of your help so far
    yeah...selling the lights as a kit of sorts is pretty cool. initially i was happy my M30 would have a small case to put it in for travel. i wish all my lights were like that. eventually i'm gonna have to get a Pelican case or some affordable knockoff. too bad there isn't a diffuser for the M21. i use the one for my M30 a lot more than i thought i would.

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    I am actually liking this light more an more. The wide spot is great indoors. The spill is moderately wide bright. I just
    had high hopes in the 500 lumens claim, and hoped the larger deaper reflector gave it more throw. If Olight came out with this light and stated it outputs 350 lumes, I still would have purchased it. That is where most of me beef is.

    But what is does, it does well with Olight's top tier quality.
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