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    i am a newby to hi powered lights but i have built some tube amps in the past so i have some electronics exp and i can solder very well. i would love to make this my first mod. i want to turn the old fulton mx991/u angle head light from incan to led. anyone know how it could be done and what parts i would need? if someone has done one before i would love to hear from them or a link on how to would be great.

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    Default Re: i want to convert old fulton angled incan into an led. how?...

    I think that uses a standard PR6 bulb. You just need a drop-in LED replacement, no soldering required, unless you had something more fancy in mind.

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    how do i know which drop in would fit? sorry to ask alot but i would like to learn more. what about voltages and battery sizes? do the drop in's have dia sizes too? thanks

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    hron61,
    You might want to check out this link for really simple 'screw-type drop-in' ideas.

    http://www.led-replacement.com/screw_base.html

    These units might not be as bright as you want, but I'm guessing that they would have good runtime.

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    I assume this is a two cell light you are working with. There are a couple of MAG replacement led drop-ins that work with the 2-3 cell lights. This would be the easiest way to convert.

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    Default Re: i want to convert old fulton angled incan into an led. how?...

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    how do i know which drop in would fit? sorry to ask alot but i would like to learn more. what about voltages and battery sizes? do the drop in's have dia sizes too? thanks
    To the best of my knowledge, the Fulton light you are talking about uses 2x D cell batteries and a standard PR6 sized bulb.

    2x D cells put out a nominal 3 volts (1.5 volts each) but more practically you should consider the voltage output to be a range from 2.4 volts to 3.2 volts (or thereabout).

    So what you are looking for is a PR-6 sized LED bulb replacement that can handle input voltage in the 2.4 V to 3.2 V range.

    There are probably a dozen companies that manufacture products that will fit this description. Take your pick. I've been down this path (of upgrading PR6 flashlights with LED bulbs) and have only run into two issues.

    1: Maglite makes a LED drop-in for people who want to upgrade their old incandescent flashlights. The drop-in is slightly larger than a standard PR-6 bulb since it was designed specifically to fit the socket in a Maglite. It doesn't fit 100% of flashlights.

    2: I've found that every different drop-in I've tried produces a different throw pattern. The actual output you get is a combination of that throw and your flashlight's reflector. Some combinations are really ringy, others look nice. No way to know what works best for you until you try it.

    It is a little out of date, but here is a good thread to read:
    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...d.php?t=178595

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    Dorcy sells an LED drop-in for flashlights that use a PR bulb. I bought one and swapped out the luxeon I for a seoul P4 and it increased output nicely. It's easy since the wires are exposed and they're plenty long. I've since sold the modified drop-in, but I had planed that I may upgrade it with an XP-G later. The only problem would be focusing. I have no idea how high the LED would have to sit in the reflector to focus properly.
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    Default Re: i want to convert old fulton angled incan into an led. how?...

    thanks for replying guys. i do like the picture of it installed in the light. you guys have givin me a great start and i shall persue them all. you see, a good friend of mine was in the vietnam war and i thought it would be cool to give him one of those lights but with much more brightness than what they used in the war. and myself would love one too. if you have any more, i'd love to hear em. i wish you all a nice xmas.

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    Default Re: i want to convert old fulton angled incan into an led. how?...

    hron61 check the fulton site they sell them with the LED installed ready to go

    http://www.fultonindoh.com/index.php...nt=59&offset=0

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    Default Re: i want to convert old fulton angled incan into an led. how?...

    i just went to the fulton site and unless i missed it, i checked all their lights and couldnt find an led one. i do like the black n47 also. maybe i'll do an army green and a black one. only 17 bucks brand new. nice. thanks you guys for helping a newby brother out.

    update...just emailed them about a ready made light. will let you guys know the answer in case anyone else is interested in this project.
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    Default Re: i want to convert old fulton angled incan into an led. how?...

    hron61, I have the N47CAB Digital Camo model from them its LED and came with a spare reg bulb in the base

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    Default Re: i want to convert old fulton angled incan into an led. how?...

    Here is another great Fulton thread, with excellent picture's on how to go about replacing a broken switch.

    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...d.php?t=237958
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    Default Re: i want to convert old fulton angled incan into an led. how?...

    hey vinniec5, i noticed the camo model is 27.00 and the rest are only 17.00. did you order it thru fulton? they give no info on it. how bright is it and what is the runtime? thanks

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    Default Re: i want to convert old fulton angled incan into an led. how?...

    I ordered mine on *bay at Armed Forces Supply store. I think i paid 29.99 for mine with free shipping. Its not blinding bright but def 3-4 times as bright as the incan bulb. Runtime is easy 4-5 times as long as the incan and stays bright too
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    Default Re: i want to convert old fulton angled incan into an led. how?...

    i just went to the armed forces website and ordered a mini version od green angled light, 6.99 plus shipping. takes 2xaa with 4 spare lenses and a spare krypton bulb. maybe a little upgrading to that one also. stands 6 in tall. never seen a mini version before. kinda cool. didnt see reg version, i will go to their ebay store and have a look see.

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    Default Re: i want to convert old fulton angled incan into an led. how?...

    1: Maglite makes a LED drop-in for people who want to upgrade their old incandescent flashlights. The drop-in is slightly larger than a standard PR-6 bulb since it was designed specifically to fit the socket in a Maglite. It doesn't fit 100% of flashlights.
    This actually works very well in a Fulton.

    It's a tight fit at first, but with a little persistence, it'll just snap into place and stay put. You might have to fiddle with its rotational position to make a good positive contact, or even put a bead of solder on the end of the LED modual, but it works, I've done it.

    In Canada, they sold the Mag Led at any "Canadian Tire" a hardware store chain we have here, that is common. So it is easy to get a Magled whereas everything else would be special order.

    Anything more advanced then that, you'd have to ask one of the Ledheads, I'm an incan guy. I'll tell you to drop an HPR44 and a couple of 26650 Lifepo4 cells in there.

    The 3rd one is Mag-Led loaded. I can post more pics of it if you want.


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    Default Re: i want to convert old fulton angled incan into an led. how?...

    Hey, how did you get an Angle-head 2-D flashlight in ORANGE ? ? ?


    Is it a Fulton ?





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    Nevermind. I followed the Link above, and discovered this Orange one is a knock-off copy.

    Forget it.

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    I wanted to do this same mod myself. I bought a few fulton flashlights from an army & navy store that went out of business for real cheap, still in their boxes. Anyway I bought the mag led upgrade bulb at wallymart a few days ago and it does not fit exactly. It will require a bit of careful modding to make it work as it is larger than the stock incan bulb it replaces. You can carefully drill out the hole and plastic housing that holds it in place. However, the beam it produces is all flood, no focused spot. Cool to bring the old light up to the 21st century but still wanting for something a bit brighter.

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    Default Re: i want to convert old fulton angled incan into an led. how?...

    conte, that led maglite looks nice and bright. thats a cool picture of them. something about those lights. when i remember them it was in the late 60's. pops used to bring them home and although they werent the brightest lights, they sure were fun to play with. the different colored lenses added to the fun. i think im gonna like this mod. i will check out the mag site.

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    Default Re: i want to convert old fulton angled incan into an led. how?...

    Hey, how did you get an Angle-head 2-D flashlight in ORANGE ? ? ?
    I actually got mine off ebay from Patriot Surplus. They have a website and still sell that light.

    http://www.patriotsurplus.com/Milita...-p1984621.html

    Be warned, their other angle heads might be knock offs too.



    The Fulton is commonly copied it seems, I had another knockoff years ago that got stolen. And have seen some even cheaper knockoffs around that wouldn't last 10 mins with one of my Incan mods.

    As you can see, I put foil tape around the insides to cut down on the amount of light that penetrates the Orange plastic and gives my unwanted back glow. Black tape worked better but did not stick as well.
    I've had to fix the switch. It was screwed on not riveted (which I prefer) and the hole stripped one day. Just put a wider screw in, has been gravy since.
    And the stock reflector blew. It was plastic, I put a real fulton reflector in it that I salvaged from a broken unit that I scrapped for parts.


    Anyway I bought the mag led upgrade bulb at wallymart a few days ago and it does not fit exactly. It will require a bit of careful modding to make it work as it is larger than the stock incan bulb it replaces. You can carefully drill out the hole and plastic housing that holds it in place. However, the beam it produces is all flood, no focused spot.
    Naw man, seriously, you just take the MagLED and force it down, and it'll snap into place, staying put without the need for the retainer clip.





    In fact depending on what version of the fulton reflector you have (I have 3), it might fit loose, in which case you jsut sit it neatly and screw it together with the reflector pointed down.

    Stock Fulton reflectors by nature are floodish. They have a nice beam but there surface is more matte giving a MOP or LS effect.
    Its really nice, it spreads a smooth field of light with the obvious emphasis on your subject, but without that harsh hotspot in the middle that screws with your eyes making everything else around it harder to see. The reflector I have loaded into the Orange knock off actually is a rarer more polished SMO like reflector that gives more throw.
    I prefer the floods hence why its demoted to the knockoff.

    Once you get the MagLED snapped into place proper, it'll give you a better more focused beam.

    MagLED Beamshot.



    conte, that led maglite looks nice and bright. thats a cool picture of them. something about those lights. when i remember them it was in the late 60's. pops used to bring them home and although they werent the brightest lights, they sure were fun to play with. the different colored lenses added to the fun. i think im gonna like this mod. i will check out the mag site.
    Led Maglite ? No, that's an Incan. I was loaded with an WA1111 bulb in that pic.

    The led is loaded into the Old Green Fulton and is the dimmest light in that picture.

    I'm a total Incan Guy! My Orange Knockoff is currently running an HPR51 bulb @ 6 Watts, with a 2x18650 Li-Ion battery Stick.
    Puts out the Lumens of a 6D Mag Stock (in theory).





    The Black one, my Main one, My Go To Guy, that comes with me an ALL my adventures, is loaded with an Overdriven HPR44 @ 9 watts
    w/2x26650 LiFe (Lifepo4) cells, giving me the lumens of a Magcharger.



    I love these things with Mid Output Halogen bulbs. Bright and warm, and the metal reflector can take the heat.
    You can get glass lenses for them, with one installed, I've tested them safe up to 11watts, using a magcharger bulb in a FiveMega G4 bi-pin adaptor. (Yes you can even get the Fulton to run the Bi-Pin).
    I can vouch for the stock lens with the 6watt HPR51 Li-Ion mod.

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