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    Default How to spot a fake Surefire?

    Hey guys!
    Long time reader, first time poster.

    I had a G2 for a long time and we go way back. Saved me and others a few times but someone took it from me. I was living in Asia at the time.

    I got another one after that from eBay (I know, I know, not the best place but I could not get a hold of a SF for a reasonable price where I am now).

    When it arrived it looked a bit different and I could spot plenty of imperfections in the new one. (have some pics)

    Does any one know how to spot a fake?

    I wasn't that impressed so I returned it to the seller and after reading a bit here I ordered a C2 HA and a LF D26 which haven't arrived yet.

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    Default Re: How to spot a fake Surefire?

    Please post the pictures you took of the flashlight, and we should be able to help you

    I'm aware of a number of fake/imitation SureFire products, but I don't think I've ever heard of or seen a fake G2.

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    The injection mold tooling $ investment would probably be more than most cloners would be willing to pay, even soft tooling. But theres always a first.

    post pics if you got em, I have never seen a fake G2 but theres always a first.

    Usually with ebay sellers, customers can sniff out the counterfeit items. If the seller has any feedback history of selling counterfeits, it will be archived in his history profile. Start there, if he has no history of clone products chances are in your favor.
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    Default Re: How to spot a fake Surefire?

    Quote Originally Posted by kramer5150 View Post
    The injection mold tooling $ investment would probably be more than most cloners would be willing to pay, even soft tooling. But theres always a first.
    Don't underestimate the Chinese. I come from a long background of upgrading/modding/customizing Airsoft rifles for years and years now. They used to only be precision and quality made in Japan, but for the last 3-4 years you wouldn't believe how far the Chinese (and some Hong Kong/Taiwan companies as well) have come with cloning nearly every single real gun manufacturer's (Vltor, Magpul, Daniel Defense, Troy, Noveske, Lewis Machine and Tool, etc. etc. etc.) rails, sights, mounts, stocks, scopes, lights/lasers, really everything.

    And to the untrained eye they look exactly like the real thing, complete with identical trademarks, manuals, packaging, for about a tenth to a quarter of the price. You really have to know what you're looking at, and own the real thing in many cases to tell the difference.

    The clones you're likely to see of Surefire products specifically (maybe not the G2 line, but their tactical weapon lights for sure) are meant to sell to the Airsoft crowd first and foremost since we're one of the select few groups who even know what Surefire is (besides my fellow flashaholics, LEO's, and military).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tempest UK View Post
    I'm aware of a number of fake/imitation SureFire products, but I don't think I've ever heard of or seen a fake G2.
    I have seen several fake ("replica") SureFire G2's on a local auction website. I'm guessing they are from the same source as the fake SureFire L6 porcupines (I believe the maker is "Fire Kylin" or "Land Arms" or similar). I cannot comment on the quality of the G2's, as I have never seen one in person.
    (Sorry, I couldn't find any pics right now.)

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    Are Surefire C2 Centurions frequently faked? I've seen some of those being offered "New but no retail package or documentation" at some pretty attractive prices, and can't help but wonder if they are counterfeit or ???

    Any ideas on what specifically to look for on C2's?

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    I will admit i do own a surefire clone. However, its the L6 Porcupine clone. Other than that one, I have never seen other replicas in person. But from what i read online and read, here is a list of things:
    - Serial Numbers, surefires will start with "A" then followed by a series of numbers
    - Lamp assemblies, if it doesn't fit surefire LA and requires a "special" one than it's a fake.
    - LED versions of the weapons light series (m9xx series, even some milleniums), unless modified by the end user

    if anyone can add or correct me on my thing is welcomed. i'm pretty sure i've missed a lot of other details.

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    It can be hard to spot a fake one sometimes. I prefer to eliminate the chance of getting a fake one by buying new Surefires from Authorized Dealers, or buying from CPFers with established reputations by visting the CPF MarketPlace.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tempest UK View Post
    Please post the pictures you took of the flashlight, and we should be able to help you

    I'm aware of a number of fake/imitation SureFire products, but I don't think I've ever heard of or seen a fake G2.

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    Thanks mate!

    Here are the photos:

    http://picasaweb.google.com/almquist...eat=directlink

    My old did not have any of these marks what so ever. And the ring in front of the window looked a lot different. The old one had no dents in it. Might be an older version but the weird thing is that I have never seen a G2 without the dents in the ring. But then again, I'm a bit of a noob here! =)

    Well, the C2 is still in transit to me. Can´t wait!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monocrom View Post
    It can be hard to spot a fake one sometimes. I prefer to eliminate the chance of getting a fake one by buying new Surefires from Authorized Dealers, or buying from CPFers with established reputations by visting the CPF MarketPlace.
    True but I live in Sweden and the C2 from the dealer is just under 400 USD.
    Not really worth it..
    Will check the marketplace next time but I like the smell of a new surefire! =) (who doesn't? ) Its better than the new car smell!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rje58 View Post
    Are Surefire C2 Centurions frequently faked? I've seen some of those being offered "New but no retail package or documentation" at some pretty attractive prices, and can't help but wonder if they are counterfeit or ???

    Any ideas on what specifically to look for on C2's?
    While living in Thailand I spotted many lights labeled Surefire. Some looked like UltraFires or just odd. Some looked real but considering the pricetag I doubt they where real..

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    I dunno, from your pics that looks like the real deal. I think the newer G2's have the 6-point lens retainer ring that you show in the pictures. Although, now that I think about it, I think mine does too.

    My G2 I purchased from Wilson Combat... 6 or 7 years ago?
    It had the Non-Lockout Tailcap (since replaced with a G2Z tailcap)
    but I think it also had the 6-point ring.... Ah, here we go...







    (I originally took these pics to show off my homebrew pocketclip. An old Benchmade clip and some JB weld and it has held on perfectly for years.)
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    Default Re: How to spot a fake Surefire?

    hmm the G2 pics u posted looks like an original surefire. I only had one G2 to compare it with.

    Nevertheless, I went thru quite a number of pelican xenoy lights. Its quite normal to have variation from one light to another. Well, we shall wait for more cpf-er to comment on the pics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dez View Post
    Thanks mate!

    Here are the photos:

    http://picasaweb.google.com/almquist...eat=directlink

    My old did not have any of these marks what so ever. And the ring in front of the window looked a lot different. The old one had no dents in it. Might be an older version but the weird thing is that I have never seen a G2 without the dents in the ring. But then again, I'm a bit of a noob here! =)

    Well, the C2 is still in transit to me. Can´t wait!
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    Quote Originally Posted by kramer5150 View Post
    my vote based on the pics provided = LEGIT surefire
    Yeah, I wish I had the old one still here (It will be missed) to compare. Just the feel was way off, the button and everything. Well, I guess I got a good one the first time and I hope that who ever got it is happy with it and will treat it with respect..

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    You guys are probably pretty hardcore with your lights and have seen it all but for a noob, its nice to see gross sceneries before you enter them.
    That was when I realized the value of a proper flashlight.

    A C2 is in transit for a new home with me. Thanks for a great forum and merry merry Christmas to ya all!

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    Default Re: How to spot a fake Surefire?

    To my uneducated eye, I'd say that was just the tolerence of the moulding technique rearing its head a bit. The dents in the front look like they're for holding something - a push-on filter perhaps?
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    Thanks for the photos

    The marks on the bezel could be a number of things. If the light wasn't sealed in the factory packaging when you received it, then the marks are probably just from the previous owner. The current clamshell packaging would be difficult to pass off as new once opened, but the older box packaging could have easily been resealed and sold as "new".

    As for the threads, it could again be from past use. Even if it's not, plastics/plastic polymers are perfectly susceptible to defects. As long as they function properly then I wouldn't be concerned.

    The gap between the bezel and the lens retaining ring is normal.

    Having seen the pictures I doubt it's a fake. Nonetheless, pictures of the lamp assembly would probably help.

    Is it just the cosmetic appearance of the flashlight that has concerned you? Have you noticed any problems with the operation of the light?

    All in all, I wouldn't worry

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tempest UK View Post
    Thanks for the photos

    The marks on the bezel could be a number of things. If the light wasn't sealed in the factory packaging when you received it, then the marks are probably just from the previous owner. The current clamshell packaging would be difficult to pass off as new once opened, but the older box packaging could have easily been resealed and sold as "new".

    As for the threads, it could again be from past use. Even if it's not, plastics/plastic polymers are perfectly susceptible to defects. As long as they function properly then I wouldn't be concerned.

    The gap between the bezel and the lens retaining ring is normal.

    Having seen the pictures I doubt it's a fake. Nonetheless, pictures of the lamp assembly would probably help.

    Is it just the cosmetic appearance of the flashlight that has concerned you? Have you noticed any problems with the operation of the light?

    All in all, I wouldn't worry

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    Wow, you guys hang out here on Christmas? A lot of answers! Thanks!

    Well, the light was in the original package and had that new surefire smell to it so Im sure it was new. Just that it looked so different from my old one. It was a normal P60 in it (but burned out). Oh, and the button felt shorter than my old one.
    Considering you guys expert opinions I guess it was a proper SF.
    Well, I sent it back for some other reasons and just got the news that my C2 passed customs. =)

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    Default Re: How to spot a fake Surefire?

    Those markings you posted pictures of are injection molding points.
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    Quote Originally Posted by csadzuki View Post
    I have seen several fake ("replica") SureFire G2's on a local auction website. I'm guessing they are from the same source as the fake SureFire L6 porcupines (I believe the maker is "Fire Kylin" or "Land Arms" or similar). I cannot comment on the quality of the G2's, as I have never seen one in person.
    (Sorry, I couldn't find any pics right now.)
    For reference, here is a pic of the above mentioned light (advertised as G2 replica):

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    oh wow this is my first time seeinf fake G2. The nitrolon doesnt look authentic.

    the checker pattern on the G2 also look different from the original G2 in terms of the depth of the checker shape.

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    lol nevermind, my fingers are moving quicker than my mind today.


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    Quote Originally Posted by csadzuki View Post
    For reference, here is a pic of the above mentioned light (advertised as G2 replica):
    Thanks for posting, I've never seen one of those before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dez View Post
    Thanks mate!

    Here are the photos:

    http://picasaweb.google.com/almquist...eat=directlink

    My old did not have any of these marks what so ever. And the ring in front of the window looked a lot different. The old one had no dents in it. Might be an older version but the weird thing is that I have never seen a G2 without the dents in the ring. But then again, I'm a bit of a noob here! =)

    Well, the C2 is still in transit to me. Can´t wait!
    I have a G2 incan I bought about 1 year ago at Bass Pro shop and it looks exactly like this. Only mine is black.

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    I reciently recieved a Surefire C2 in a trade. There is something about this light that i have NEVER seen on a Surefire light. There are NO Pat.#'s on the light. The serial starts with an "A" and that is on the side with the "Surefire Logo".

    On the other side it says "C2 Centurion" and that is all. Also the "flat sides" there are three and the one oppisit the clip is rounded. This is an incan version but it differs from the C2 LED version that I have and all the SF lights that I have - have the pat.# on the side as well.

    I just need some input as to wether anyone has seen this before. I can NOT do pictures. But I am sure someone will have a bit of input. Just trying to make sure that I didn't get duped.

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    Default Re: How to spot a fake Surefire?

    Chef,
    Just sounds like an old style version. I have several.

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    Default Re: How to spot a fake Surefire?

    Were there fake Surefire 6P's?

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    Yes.

    Although most companies just put their own brand name on the blatant fakes they made.
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    I mean an exact replica of the 6P not made by surefire

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    Default Re: How to spot a fake Surefire?

    Yes, I've seen a few for sale on the internet.
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