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    Default Eneloop/Duraloop help

    I have searched and have not quite found the answer I am looking for. It took me a while but I finally figured out that "Duraloop" is not an actual brand of battery. Duraloop is a nickname given to Duracell NiMh rechargable batteries presumably manufactured by Sanyo, the maker of the Eneloop cells. Is this correct? The Duraloop cells are marked as made in Japan and have white tops and black bottoms? Can anyone post a pic of what these look like so I have an idea of what to look for? Also any charger recommendations of said cells would be great as well. Please excuse my newbness.

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    Default Re: Eneloop/Duraloop help

    Edit: Ignore this pic - madmook has posted correct pics below...

    I believe they look like this...


    ...but they need to be made in Japan not China. Harder to find than hen's teeth.


    I don't understand the difference between them and the other Duracell NiMH which have black where the white is on this image. I would have expected if they were significantly different that Duracell would be pushing them as such, however they seem to be pushing the 2650mAh versions instead which in my Wii have actually significantly outlasted the Eneloops due to the higher capacity.
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    Default Re: Eneloop/Duraloop help

    The duraloops are 2000mah and there are two version I have seen, one is a white top make in japan. And the other (I saw in H*ME D*pot) had a black top make in china. The ones make in japan would be good cells to buy NOT the china ones, also duracell makes a regular rechargable thats pictured above that I feel should be avoided also.
    Iam sure you will get more feedback and any corrections on my post if required. Also the duraloops should say "precharged"
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    Photos of my Duracell Pre-Charged battery. The "pre-charged" line means low self-discharge (LSD), like eneloop.

    Battery:


    "Made in Japan" labelling:


    "White-top" (the eneloop equivalent):

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    Thats what I have been looking for however I can only find the black ones at any stores around here. I have seen the black ones marked as Made in China as well as Made in Japan. I am going to buy some rechargables but would like to get the correct Duraloops everyone gives high marks to. Are the black topped cells labeled as Made in Japan rebadged Eneloops?

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    All the Duraloops I have seen have been the black/green body with the copper top and have not looked like what Magic Matt has posted - however some may look like this, I just have not seen them.

    The package should say made in Japan, and I believe the model number is DX1500. The package will say that they are "Pre-Charged". This is what you should look for, the "Pre-Charged" means they are LSD (Low Self Discharge) cells.

    These are pretty easy to find around where I live (Ontario, Canada), and are frequently on sale at Shopper's Drug Mart (common drugstore around here).

    EDIT: They should look like this: http://www.amazingbattery.com/images/dx-1500r4.jpg

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    Default Re: Eneloop/Duraloop help

    Oh! The white top is just the part around the positive post under the copper colored portion of the shrink wrap?

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    "Are the black topped cells labeled as Made in Japan rebadged Eneloops?"

    That is something I've not seen or heard of, so I can't answer that question. Hopefully someone else knows what's up with black-topped made in Japan duraloops.

    Or you could just get eneloops?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 737mech View Post
    Oh! The white top is just the part around the positive post under the copper colored portion of the shrink wrap?
    I found an answer to my own question. I thought "white top" meant that the shrink wrap was white on the top portion. Now I know it means the white portion around the positive post.


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    Default Re: Eneloop/Duraloop help

    OK, let's clarify. The so-called "Duraloop" is only the battery that looks like Madmook's pictures. It is so called because it appears to be an eneloop cell in Duracell colors. Nothing else, especially nothing that looks like Magic Matt's picture, is a Duraloop.

    If you find a Duracell rechargeable with a black top, it is either a re-badged Rayovac Hybrid (if it is a 2000 mAh Pre-charged cell), or it is not a low self-discharge cell at all (if it has a black top and is made in Japan).

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    As Mr Happy has noted, there shouldn't be a Duracell pre-charged cell with the black material surrounding the positive post actually labeled as being made in Japan.

    What's more likely is that even though the packaging is labeled as made in Japan, the cells themselves will be labeled as made in China. The mislabeling of the packaging seems to be a consequence of Duracell's decision not to otherwise differentiate between the cells sourced from China and Japan.

    This post contains additional images and an ad hoc checklist for identifying the re-badged Eneloop:

    http://www.candlepowerforums.com ... post2996692
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    Default Re: Eneloop/Duraloop help

    Thanks for your help everyone. I now have a clear understanding of what to look for.

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    Also, while the white-topped Duraloops are a little better, it seems like the black-topped "made in China" batteries in AA size are nearly as good (though not quite). I bought a bunch of them a couple months ago when they were on sale at Costco and they've treated me pretty well...though with batteries, only time will tell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by e_dogg View Post
    ... it seems like the black-topped "made in China" batteries in AA size are nearly as good (though not quite).
    For the price vs. performance, I'm going Made in China from now on. For $1 each vs around $3 for Made in Japan, can't beat it.
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    I don't know why people want to call the black top duracell precharged batteries duraloops, should nickname them durabrids instead after the first name brand cell using the chinese formula the rayovac hybrid
    eneloop - duraloop
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    Quote Originally Posted by ltiu View Post
    For the price vs. performance, I'm going Made in China from now on. For $1 each vs around $3 for Made in Japan, can't beat it.
    Yeah, I'm pretty happy with mine - especially when they can be found on sale for a very low price.

    FWIW, I've read here that this doesn't hold true for the AAA size. Some people have tested them and shown that they don't perform nearly as well as Eneloop AAA batteries.

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    I was in WalMart this morning and they have the Duraloops in stock for $12.49 for a four pack. They had the white around the button and I could see through the package that they were made in Japan.

    Also went to Target and they had the same packaging but the batteries were marked made in China and they had the white around the button also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lynx_Arc View Post
    I don't know why people want to call the black top duracell precharged batteries duraloops, should nickname them durabrids instead after the first name brand cell using the chinese formula the rayovac hybrid
    eneloop - duraloop
    hybrid - durabrid
    I've seen the term "duravacs" tossed around here and there on the forums to prevent confusion.

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    Default Re: Eneloop/Duraloop help

    even the black top duracell pre charged seem ok.
    but if you are going to buy those then seek out a deal on the rayovac 4.0. seem to be the same battery with a different jacket.
    found them for $7 for 2 4 packs on amazon.
    but for the real critical apps like big hotwires the white topped duraloops are the ticket.too bad sanyo doesnt market these better....

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    Quote Originally Posted by snakebite View Post
    too bad sanyo doesnt market these better....
    I so wish I could buy a set of Eneloop Tones. I'd have to buy 4 packs of course.

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    Default Re: Eneloop/Duraloop help

    Just fyi, duraloops are stacked like firewood at every Rite-Aid I've been to the past couple months.

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    I'd heard about the differences being subtle, but it was still kind of interesting to see both versions on the same rack at a nearby Walmart, absolutely identical except for the "made in" country and the button ring color. Pull the first package off the hook, get Eneloops; pull the second, get Hybrids...

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    Quote Originally Posted by boomhauer View Post
    Just fyi, duraloops are stacked like firewood at every Rite-Aid I've been to the past couple months.
    Price?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apollo Cree View Post
    Price?
    The white-topped Duraloop's are expensive at Rite-Aid, CVS, etc. I think sell for about $15.99 for a four pack, but there are deals out there.

    I did a quick google search and seen this deal from a month ago (I have not tried this deal)
    http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/expired-deals/974168

    They sell for about $12.97 at both Walmart and Target everyday (look for the white top - they are out there)

    Also, I know that this will not help you today, but keep an eye on CPF "Good Deal's".
    http://www.cpfmarketplace.com/mp/sho...d.php?t=199272
    Just 5 months ago, a good number of us picked them up at Target for $4.45 for a four pack after the $2 newspaper ad coupon.

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    Default Re: Eneloop/Duraloop help

    I've seen the white top Duraloops at Target and they are normally priced at about 12.99 a AA pack. At Rite AID I've seen a lot of the blacktop ones.

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    Default Re: Eneloop/Duraloop help

    My local Costco has the white Japanese AA Duracells in a pack of 8 AA plus 2 AAA. No charger. The black Chinese AA Duracells come in a different pack with a charger.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JML View Post
    My local Costco has the white Japanese AA Duracells in a pack of 8 AA plus 2 AAA. No charger.
    Oh, I hope that means that my local Costco will also be getting that package in too. They sold out around Christmas time and they haven't gotten them in stock again. I'll keep my eyes peeled as I'm going there later today.

    Edit:

    My local Costco did not have the Eneloop AA and AAA jumbo pack. They just had the pack that came with the charger, 4 AA Duraloops, and 2 black topped made in China relabeled Rayovacs.
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    Fwiw, sunday night i was cycling 2 duraloops and 2 durabrids at 2c and discharging 1c, 3 cycles. Both are kinda new so they have not been broken in on c-9000. Capacity of duraloops were 1835 and 1831 durabrids were 1921 and 1937.

    I say get what u can get the cheapest you can, you are not going to build your arsenal in one trip. The sickness will continue and grow and i imagine you will both durabrids and duraloops as well as others.

    Also I am huge fan of maha immedions 2100 mah and powerex 2700mah batteries. Last i checked 17th st photo had them with container for 11.79! I can pick these up b/m being in nyc, now if adorama could only get back in stock the new ansman lsd, i would love to check them out.

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    http://shop.ebay.com/media_mill/m.ht...&_trksid=p4340

    Found this auction ebay store via another CPF post from several months ago. These appear to be the elusive "Duraloops".

    Even specifies "made in Japan" in the auction listing.

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    Default Re: Eneloop/Duraloop help

    As for chargers, I would recommend the Duracell CEF23 if you want something that is simple. It's independent channel and can also be used as a USB charger.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=390166965579

    Quote Originally Posted by ltiu View Post
    For the price vs. performance, I'm going Made in China from now on. For $1 each vs around $3 for Made in Japan, can't beat it.
    If you are buying Duracell Pre-Charged, the black tops and white tops are the same price. This has nothing to do with price unless the idea to buy Duracell is scrapped. Using a mix of black and white tops could also be like mixing batteries of different types since performance characteristics will be a little different.

    That being said, I got my Duraloops for about $1.85 each, but I would gladly pay more for a higher quality product.

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