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    Oh yes, definitely subjective.
    They're made by Stanley in Japan so I'm expecting reasonable quality.
    And, the pictures on their website look just a little brighter than what I'm getting. But, the lighting distance is greatly improved.
    http://www.raybrig.gr.jp/products/r118_pop.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by deadrx7conv View Post
    Oh yes, definitely subjective.
    They're made by Stanley in Japan so I'm expecting reasonable quality.
    And, the pictures on their website look just a little brighter than what I'm getting. But, the lighting distance is greatly improved.
    http://www.raybrig.gr.jp/products/r118_pop.html
    Ahh, yes-- I see another site stating "18W=36W" in the description for those bulbs. No, actually 18W=18W. It's simple math-- not to mention that light output is measured in lumens, not in watts.

    My subjective impression of the beamshots is that it's the same picture with heavy editing.

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    Ahh, Google Translating the Raybrig.gr.jp page is a hoot. Things like:
    Unnecessary relay harness can be attached to the plastic lens.
    Assimilate and top coating with stealth reflectors, 4,200 K (Kelvin) is irradiated by a special deposition process of pure white light, directed into view when the lamp lighting style.
    Soon the super karate monkey death car would park in my space. (Ok, so that one's actually from News Radio)

    That site is also hawking HID kits, which further detracts from any credibility that site may have.

    You know how Black and Decker has toy tools with the B&D branding all over them, so a child can pretend she's just like her mommy using power tools? This is the automotive lighting version. Heck, the .gr.jp domain is like the US ".org".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scheinwerfermann View Post
    LED bulb retrofits do not work safely or effectively, and for that reason are illegal.
    EDIT: I had a link to autolumination and a suggestion to use a certain LED.

    This LED is only OK for interior lighting where a 921 bulb would fit







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    I would imagine that the CREE 921 would be spotlights and far too directional with no light to the side. Anyone confirm?

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    Double post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikered30 View Post
    I would imagine that the CREE 921 would be spotlights and far too directional with no light to the side. Anyone confirm?
    EDIT : deleted comment
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    Quote Originally Posted by 127.0.0.1 View Post
    for backup lights there are (usually) no laws regarding output and lensing. not illegal. headlights, tails, markers, yes. not reverse lights.

    anyway, this is in Massachusetts USA and I looked it up and no violations in Massachusetts with backup lights.
    It doesn't matter what Massachusetts says on the subject of reverse lamps-- FMVSS 108 is clear that there are photometric standards regarding backup lamps.

    Simplifying things, minimum axial intensity is 80cd, maximum intensity 300cd at any point on or above horizontal, max intensity 600cd at any point between horizontal and 5° down, max intensity 8,000cd at any point below 5° down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alaric Darconville View Post
    It doesn't matter what Massachusetts says on the subject of reverse lamps-- FMVSS 108 is clear that there are photometric standards regarding backup lamps.

    Simplifying things, minimum axial intensity is 80cd, maximum intensity 300cd at any point on or above horizontal, max intensity 600cd at any point between horizontal and 5° down, max intensity 8,000cd at any point below 5° down.

    Please don't use this forum to promote unlawful activity.
    noted. I will refrain from posting about aftermarket LED lighting unless it comes from the same vehicle manufacturer. thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by spencer View Post
    I need some extra light when I back up. My truck takes a standard 1156 bulb.
    I use 9w 1156 single LED's they work great. They put out much more light than the standard light. I copied this picture from the website that I got them from here in Australia. They no longer have them listed on there site must be out of stock.




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    300 lumens from a 9 watt led ? I will stick with my #796 bulbs for the reverse lights!

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    "LED bulbs" do not work correctly or safely in a vehicle's exterior lights. Play with them in the interior lights if you wish, but spoiling the safety performance of your vehicle's safety lighting system is just as illegal in Australia as it is in Europe or Japan or America or Korea or pretty much anywhere else. Rule 11 of this board prohibits advocating illegal activity; please stop it now.

    As for this LED putting out "much more light" than the bulb it replaces: False. The P21W bulb you took out produces 460 lumens at 13.5 volts. If (a very big 'if') the LED produces the claimed 300 lumens, then the LED puts out about 35% less light than the standard bulb you took out. Add to that the improper distribution of the light from the LED because it is installed in a lamp designed for a filament bulb, and you have a situation where the reality does not match the advertising claims.
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    Sorry if I broke some rules I will make sure I will not do it again.

    Reality is in what I can see with my eyes and the Standard bulbs are not even close to lighting up as much as the LED's do.
    But I do know one thing regardless of what the spec's are telling you the LED are so much brighter than the standard ones.
    Maybe the standard bulbs are losing brightness because they are not as focused and the light is spread everywhere.
    I now can see very well when reversing at night at my brother’s farm which is very dark no outside street lights. As far as the standard bulbs went they were useless I could not see anything. So I am not sure where the light is lost but the two lights are not even close. And as far as safety goes I fell much safer as I can now see if my brother’s kids run behind my truck when I am reversing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rat View Post
    Sorry if I broke some rules I will make sure I will not do it again.
    Thank you.

    Reality is in what I can see with my eyes
    No, reality is objective and measurable. Your opinion, based on subjective impressions of what you think you can see better with one bulb vs. another bulb, is not "reality". It is an opinion based on a subjective impression of what you think you can see with one bulb vs. another bulb.

    Maybe the standard bulbs are losing brightness because they are not as focused and the light is spread everywhere.
    This, too, is not "reality".

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    You know.... what is being described here sounds very much like what I've seen with LED replacements for indicator lamps in my control room at work. The LED does not give good distribution of light; if you're right in line with it, the darned thing seems too bright, but from a side angle it's dim.

    I think that aftermarket LED is altering the normal flood pattern of the reverse lamps. If the driver is looking at something in the narrower bright part of the beam, he sees further. If he's looking to the side, where the stock bulb would have illuminated, he sees less. Also, the reduced side light would help make the center of the beam seem brighter by comparison.

    So.. Uhh... I guess I've just explained why swapping to a different type of bulb can be a bad idea. The more I think about the reverse lights on our various vehicles, the more I'm convinced that additional lamps constitute the best answer. Maybe switch them so you have stock reverse lights when that's all you need to let others in the parking lot know you're backing up, but you have lots of light when you're way out in the woods at midnight.
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    What is the Tc lifespan (13.2v) of the 796 bulb?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phatty McPatty View Post
    What is the Tc lifespan (13.2v) of the 796 bulb?
    Not sure they publish one, but I have been using 2 of them in my reverse lights for about 4 years now {100,000 miles worth of driving} and they are still functioning. Reverse lights dont accumulate hours quickly!

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    As noted above (and by many others here), the best solution for me was a pair of $25 'driving lights' from Wal-Mart installed under my back bumper.
    I cheated and removed two of the bottom carriage bolts that hold the bumper to the mounting bracket and used the holes to mount my lights.

    The trick is keeping the wiring simple...

    I LOVE my extra backup lights!!!

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    That is actually a pretty cool connector. I found another one at JC Whitney made by White Night that is about half the cost and still let's you connect your trailer. Either one would be nice for the guys with big trucks.

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    Your baiting post previous to this post has been deleted, it seems you really do need some time off.

    Enjoy your long weekend, it'll give you time to investigate Rule #8 - Norm
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    FWIW, my friend installed a 55W flood light (either GE or Hella) under his bumper, tied to the same circuit that drives his back up lamps. He's had zero problems with it and has been using that set-up for about a year.

    This probably varies greatly by vehicle, so I can't say it'll work for you.

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    H'mm. Unless your friend put in a relay, he's got a circuit designed for 54w maximum (less than that on most modern vehicles), now driving the original reversing lamps plus another 55w, is not a recipe for "zero problems". It's a recipe for gradual progressive damage to the reverse light wiring and switch.

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    Any idea what the operating temperature of a 796 bulb is? Seems I've partially melted the plastic part of both the left and right OE bulb sockets.

    Would a 1295 bulb produce less heat?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phatty McPatty View Post
    Any idea what the operating temperature of a 796 bulb is? Seems I've partially melted the plastic part of both the left and right OE bulb sockets.

    Would a 1295 bulb produce less heat?
    The 796 shouldn't get THAT hot, but if the original assembly was made that cheaply, I suppose it's possible. It's only 35W compared to an 1156 at 27W.

    A 1295 is 37.5W, so would produce more heat-- and because rather than a straight filament like the 1156 and 796, the focus of the lamp is changed greatly (going by the "light center length" alone is not enough, you need the filament shape to understand a bulb's characteristics).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phatty McPatty View Post
    Any idea what the operating temperature of a 796 bulb is? Seems I've partially melted the plastic part of both the left and right OE bulb sockets.
    How long at a time are you operating your back-up lights for? Seems to me you'd have to be leaving them on for prolonged periods of time for the sockets to be affected like that.

    Would a 1295 bulb produce less heat?
    No, it would produce more.

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    Yeah, I can only blame myself. I swapped out the 1156 DRLs with these (hiss boo, I know, I know). In my defense, I swapped them prior to asking your opinions earlier in the thread (it's a weak defense; I should have asked first!). I've since replaced each with a 1156NA, which makes them a bit more visible in sunlight. I guess that's the best I can do.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alaric Darconville View Post
    The 796 shouldn't get THAT hot, but if the original assembly was made that cheaply, I suppose it's possible.
    Since the sockets don't seat firmly into the headlight assemblies anymore, I need to replace them. Any suggestions where to purchase quality sockets? I found these but I don't know the lug pattern or focal length. Where can I find this info? Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phatty McPatty View Post
    Yeah, I can only blame myself. I swapped out the 1156 DRLs with these (hiss boo, I know, I know). In my defense, I swapped them prior to asking your opinions earlier in the thread (it's a weak defense; I should have asked first!). I've since replaced each with a 1156NA, which makes them a bit more visible in sunlight. I guess that's the best I can do.
    The NA is "Natural Amber". It might make it more conspicuous in some cases, but not more visible, as the filtering removes a small portion of the light. (It's just that the remaining light is more discernible from a reflection.) Still, the DRL function on your vehicle may require an uncolored bulb to satisfy the intensity requirements (it's not that all DRLs must be white, but those DRLs were designed around a clear bulb).

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    Years ago I had a Saab that used 1156 bulbs for turn, backup, and even brake if memory serves. I stumbled onto some 1195 bulbs and put those in as backup lights. I was swapping 21W, 32CP to 35W, 50CP if I remember right. But it worked and the backup lights were a definitely brighter. Of course, those were pretty roomy lamps, so the larger bulbs were no problem.
    Last edited by Hamilton Felix; 01-15-2013 at 10:12 AM.
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    Thanks Alaric. Yes, conspicuous is the right word. Judging (albeit subjectively) the intensity of the OE setup, I'd wager these DRLs just squeak by the minimum intensity requirements -- It is in fact, a Mitsubishi! Like you mentioned, NA bulbs can be more conspicuous than their clear enveloped counterparts, but the amber glass inherently filters some of the light, which could reduce intensities below DRL requirements. These are the reasons I asked about the higher intensity 1295NA bulbs (BTW, I didn't think this up out of thin air, I saw them mentioned by Scheinwerfermann in this thread. I must have misunderstood his suggestion to use 1295NA's in place of 1156NA's.).

    So this would have been unwise as well (aside from the unforeseen heat issue)?
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