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    Default Growing Tired of Downer Attitudes ...

    I have been bitting my lip for a while now ...

    It seems that many times someone puts up a post and the instant implication is either "Hey there is already a thread here dummy" or "Stop bothering us with this old news" or "Do a search before asking us this question".

    The nature of a forum like this is to share news/discoveries, ask questions, and share in the excitement of the flashlight hobby. It is impossible to search through the thousands of threads that exist here before sharing in some excitment with fellow enthusiasts.

    In life there are people who would just rather ask than do the research. This is true at work, and in every aspect of life. That's why the rest of us are here. We are here to help provide answers and perform research because we are good at it, we like it and have the knowleged. Use this gift for good.

    I know most people are cool with duplicate topic threads / old news. I have noticed a growing number of "downers" here lately and to those I say give people a break. Nothing stinks more than a newb or old poster getting post-slapped for sharing some excitment with the community even if it's not "new".

    I would guess that most all topics that can be talked about already have at some point by now. Take mom's advice, if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all ...

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    Welcome to CPF Budman231!

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    Default Re: Growing Tired of Downer Attitudes ...

    Hey, this topic has been brought up many times before.
    If you had done a search you would have noticed.

    Sorry, couldn't resist. .....

    But seriously, like everything else, achieving a balance is not always easy.

    Sometimes people post a thread, when there's a nearly identical one 2 or 3 posts down the same forum.

    A little bit of common sense is required by the poster but also by those posting replies and hopefullly not being overly hostile or judgemental.

    After all, this is just a hobby and a form of escapism for all of us, so there is no need for rude and/or aggressive posts.
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    I have to agree with Budman231. If a new post seems like a repeat to you as a CPF user don't post anything rather than a negative response. Let someone else answer the poster's question.

    Just a thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 357mag1 View Post
    I have to agree with Budman231. If a new post seems like a repeat to you as a CPF user don't post anything rather than a negative response. Let someone else answer the poster's question.

    Just a thought.
    Actually the best thing you could do if you notice a duplicate thread would be to find the original (since you know it exists) and post a link to it. That saves everyone a little grief because nobody has to answer the question twice and the threadstarter doesn't have to figure out the idiosyncrasies of yet another search engine before they can get the answer they were looking for.

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    Some months ago I found this forum using Google trying to get information to update my duty light. First question or so I asked I was nicely admonished that the question had been asked before and was given a link. That didn't insult me, I needed the instruction, I was thrilled to have the link, I got the answer. Anytime you enter a new community there is a learning curve and assimilation in to the culture, particularly if you are new to the topic as I am. I don't mind if someone has to help me with boundaries.

    I've learned a lot here, it's a little quirky, and I'm glad to have the place of reference.

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    This thread really needs to be in the Cafe or appropriate section.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dwever View Post
    Some months ago I found this forum using Google trying to get information to update my duty light. First question or so I asked I was nicely admonished that the question had been asked before and was given a link. That didn't insult me, I needed the instruction, I was thrilled to have the link, I got the answer. Anytime you enter a new community there is a learning curve and assimilation in to the culture, particularly if you are new to the topic (... 8< ... )
    Exactly. If I ever feel the urge to say "search" I tell myself to to post a link to some relevant results. (Sometimes finding these "relevant results" is not as easy as it should have been... a great exercise in humility... )

    A _*helpful*_ reply with a polite "this is how to search" - reminder goes a lot further than just cluttering the thread with "SEARCH FOR IT" noise... and is a lot more inviting and welcoming way to treat new members.

    If you've got nothing else to say than "search" I suggest you let someone else reply....

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    Default Re: Growing Tired of Downer Attitudes ...

    +1
    i have thought better of asking some questions because of the negative replies i have seen others get and still cant find some of the answers i was looking for despite hours for using the search

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    This is exactly what happens when people see the slap-posts. There are always going to be experts, but I would argue that CPF is where those experts got much of their knowledge. Let's encourage posts no matter how insignificant/old they may seem.

    Just don't read posts if it isn't of interest. Plain and simple.

    We owe it to the community as a whole, to encourage new/less skilled folks. To attract the next gen CPFers. The more comfortable people feel asking questions and sharing news, the better the community will be.




    Quote Originally Posted by Barrie View Post
    +1
    i have thought better of asking some questions because of the negative replies i have seen others get and still cant find some of the answers i was looking for despite hours for using the search

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    Id rather ask a question and get an answer immediately, instead of wasting hours and hours skimming thru a bunch of confusing posts. Thats the whole reason i join forums, to talk to actual real people....not google.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dougzilla View Post
    Id rather ask a question and get an answer immediately, instead of wasting hours and hours skimming thru a bunch of confusing posts. Thats the whole reason i join forums, to talk to actual real people....not google.
    Makes sense to me... If its about a torch thats been out a while, or charger, battery, or whatever, the search could have been used. However with regards to subjects like the tsa I have no problems with someone asking about whats ok.
    Letting someone know about searching a topic could be a little bit friendlier at times.

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    Default Re: Growing Tired of Downer Attitudes ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Dougzilla View Post
    Id rather ask a question and get an answer immediately, instead of wasting hours and hours skimming thru a bunch of confusing posts. Thats the whole reason i join forums, to talk to actual real people....not google.
    YES! My thoughts exactly. I believe that is what a forum is for, to ask PEOPLE for help and info.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dougzilla View Post
    Id rather ask a question and get an answer immediately, instead of wasting hours and hours skimming thru a bunch of confusing posts. Thats the whole reason i join forums, to talk to actual real people....not google.
    The problem arises when someone create a thread asking the same thing that 2 other ones in the same index page. It is not rare either to see someone asking something answered just a few post ago in the very same thread.

    Then there are people who complain for not being answered in a matter of a few hours... I have to say that "hey, why nobody answered me?" a couple of hours after opening the thread just irritates me as much as topics like "I need help".

    Its not about being a noob or elite, but about being lazy enough not to read, thinking "I deserve being asked" and mixing a forum with a chat.

    That being said, I am not the kind of guy who uses the "ask google" answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dougzilla View Post
    Id rather ask a question and get an answer immediately, instead of wasting hours and hours skimming thru a bunch of confusing posts. Thats the whole reason i join forums, to talk to actual real people....not google.
    The problem is where to draw the line between "worth asking" and "trivial question, use the search".
    As particularly bad examples http://wiki.answers.com/ and http://answers.yahoo.com/ come to mind. Every moron is allowed to ask the dumbest of questions (as apparent by many failblog entries concerning yahoo answers...).

    If the question would be answered by looking at the threads listed on the first page, or a very simple search or just a look at the manufacturers website, or if the post is barely comprehensible - then I understand the 'use the search' attitude. Even worse if the poster didn't supply enough information to answer his question. And if he has <10 posts, then its likely he'll never return to fill in the gaps needed to answer his question (and people start to wonder if he'll ever read any of the answers anyway).

    So in short: people will usually get miffed if they think the OP is a lazy bum with a 'gimme info NOW' attitude - especially if it's a very short question. Where to draw that line is subjective. But I think it helps a lot if people provide some info what they already searched, what their special needs are, or what they currently think is the answer to their problem but not being sure about it. Or just something personal - the difference between "GIVE INFO" and a discussion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dougzilla View Post
    Id rather ask a question and get an answer immediately, instead of wasting hours and hours skimming thru a bunch of confusing posts. Thats the whole reason i join forums, to talk to actual real people....not google.
    I already left about half a page full of comment and display of my feelings on this issue over in the "Please use the search function" thread but frankly you manage to say in two sentences what I took several paragraphs to say.

    Bravo!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Budman231 View Post
    This is exactly what happens when people see the slap-posts. There are always going to be experts, but I would argue that CPF is where those experts got much of their knowledge. Let's encourage posts no matter how insignificant/old they may seem.

    Just don't read posts if it isn't of interest. Plain and simple.

    We owe it to the community as a whole, to encourage new/less skilled folks. To attract the next gen CPFers. The more comfortable people feel asking questions and sharing news, the better the community will be.

    +1 Now you're smoking. (check the battery )

    It's a question of culture (for lack of a better word) on the forum. As other have pointed out this is the CPF forum, not Google.com. Search is great once you know enough to search.

    In addition, as other have mentioned people putting the lights they own in their sig line can render searches for more historical info very ineffective and a time consuming. I know a thing or two about search, and even google, a very good general purpose engine, is often snookered by various aspects of CPF and forums in general.

    Of course, there is no black and white, and the extreme case is bad. However that's why there is software and mods and tools to deal with this. Gentle reminders, pointers to well communicated posts, the 'best-of-cpf' type lists. etc.

    Above all, give the newcomer a break.

    and we all want it to be efficient, but we need to think about how to achieve that. The old ways don't always work, with the new tasks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Budman231 View Post
    We owe it to the community as a whole, to encourage new/less skilled folks. To attract the next gen CPFers. The more comfortable people feel asking questions and sharing news, the better the community will be.
    +2

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    Default Re: Growing Tired of Downer Attitudes ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Budman231 View Post
    I have been bitting my lip for a while now ...
    Yep this is what I do when I see the same thread over and over again. I know it's counter to your point but hey some people just clog up the front page/portal with the same old stuff without doing the search. I leave it up top the veterans to post "use the search noob".
    I am still pretty new myself but I don't think it's a bad thing to tell people to use the search.
    EDIT: So long as it's done in a polite way.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Ajay View Post
    Yep this is what I do when I see the same thread over and over again. I know it's counter to your point but hey some people just clog up the front page/portal with the same old stuff without doing the search. I leave it up top the veterans to post "use the search noob".
    I am still pretty new myself but I don't think it's a bad thing to tell people to use the search.
    EDIT: So long as it's done in a polite way.

    +1, most of the time a very very simple search would have gotten someone the answer they're looking for.
    A gentle reminder makes them a better forumer and allows them to develop good forum 'etiquette'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Budman231 View Post

    It seems that many times someone puts up a post and the instant implication is either "Hey there is already a thread here dummy" or "Stop bothering us with this old news" or "Do a search before asking us this question".
    I will have to disagree with that.

    Yes, we say "please do a search" But I have never saw a member say "dummy" or imply a member is "stupid" for creating a post and not searching.

    Also when a topic is outdated I(we) never say "stop bothering us" I have heard if you have searched you will find that this is an outdated topic and usually people bump threads from years ago.



    If people would SEARCH we would not have these problems.


    Just about ten minutes ago I was looking for some information. I said to myself let me make a thread about it. But I then decided to take 5 minutes and do a simple search. Well, I dont need to make a thread any more.

    P.S.- After all the internet forums I have been on, CPF is by far the nicest and most generous forum(show me a forum where people gift $100+ flashlights FOR FREE). It is very rare a person is disrespected without consequences.

    The only time I saw the word "noob" being used on CPF is when a person calls them self it.(search and you will see )
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    If a newbie searches and posts in an existing topic, then the same "downers" complain about "bumping a dead old post"! It seems like downers just like to complain and have no other thing going in their life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vikas Sontakke View Post
    complain about "bumping a dead old post"!

    - Vikas

    I have yet to see that one! Sounds a bit dirty to me


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    Default Re: Growing Tired of Downer Attitudes ...

    I tend to agree somewhat but it saves server space and probably bandwidth if some threads are merged. However the slammers for not searching get a little carried away I think at times. I'm certainly no newbie here and at times when I want to know something I try searching but in some cases I just can't think of the right terms or way to search. Other times the search engine just won't accept certain short terms or sometimes a term is so common it'll bring up thousands of threads that would take days to read through. So I agree with cutting some slack to those seeking an answer. However starting new threads on a topic without any search is something I believe should be avoided since you know the terms of a topic you are going to discuss.

    Overall I agree with Budman123 - there are some people here that remind me of a grumpy old speckled school teacher that would walk around with a ruler and smack everyone on the hand who wasn't sitting straight and being perfect.
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    If the Search function were much more robust, I don't think this would be such a hot button issue.

    There are people in my family and at work who come to me for help when searching for information on the internet because they see me as the 'internet search expert' - at least in their judgement, compared to their own internet search skills.

    Often I find searching the forums here much more challenging than typical internet web searches. It is frustrating - if I didn't have a lot of experience and a certain amount of skill in 'search'ing, I'm sure it would be even more frustrating.

    I can see both sides, and agree that it's a good idea to make frequent and regular use of the Search functions before starting a thread.

    But a forum is first and foremost a community of sorts. Here is my perception of how this works, sometimes:

    "Hey, I've from out of town, and I'm looking for a hardware store. What I really need are some widgets and a few thing-a-mabobs. I've heard there is a hardware store that has good deals on both, and that some of the fine townspeople here are experts on widgets and thing-a-mabobs. Can you help me?"

    "Yeah, yeah, we hear this all the time! Did it never occur to you to check the local Yellow Pages and a map? We've even made it "easy" for you, because we've attached weatherproof copies of the local Yellow Pages and a map of the area to a "Visitor Info Stand" on every corner in town. Use it!"

    Then they go off to build -yet another sign- that says "VISITORS! Use the VISITOR INFO STANDs located at top corner!"

    Why the new sign...? To avoid, ahem... clutter!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmo7809 View Post
    I will have to disagree with that.
    I think there are a few downers but they are not the majority. Its the case for many fora out there.

    Much like its the case of people not posting under the right topic. I know LED Flashlights is the most popular forum here but it seems to be the first place where every one posts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Budman231 View Post
    I have been bitting my lip for a while now ...

    It seems that many times someone puts up a post and the instant implication is either "Hey there is already a thread here dummy" or "Stop bothering us with this old news" or "Do a search before asking us this question".
    +1

    I recall asking a question and getting several smarse arse comments about using the search engine. Well I'd spent several hours doing so and getting nowhere, and those smart arse comments pissed me off.

    And I recall posting a question and saying "I posted in this forum as I did not know where else to post". And I got numerous smart arse "This is not the right forum" comments, but not one said which was the right forum.

    Can't people trust the moderators to decide?
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    Default Re: Growing Tired of Downer Attitudes ...

    Good OP I guess. As a newbie: I searched forever, read a lot, got a general idea of what was going on in the flashlight world AND decided which LED flashlight was going to be my first purchase; without a word to anyone!!! But that's just me.

    Some people really like to help others...some can't be bothered because it's not their thing, they'd rather be talking about the latest creation; which is a huge asset for this forum. Everyone has something different to offer; but all in all, there's more info about flashlights here than anywhere else in the world........So newbie's use yer collective noggins and think fer yerselves; don't be lazy but by all means; ask questions.

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    Talking and asking questions is what forums are all about. If everytime a student asked the teacher a question and was told to just go look it up in the library then the world would be a very uneducated place. The majority of ppl need help to get answers and quite frankly, if you know the the answer then help a newb out, and then maybe explain to them that there is also a search function that alot of info can be found. Don't just shut them out and leave them on their own. And next time they will probably use it first.

    This is the main reason I do not ask alot of questions here. I do use the search alot as I am researching kinda guy but, to someone who is not the cfp search is not that easy to use.

    In my opinion either help them out or ignor the post all together.

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    Default Re: Growing Tired of Downer Attitudes ...

    Maybe its just me but if you find this forum and do a search you will 99% of the time find satisfaction to your inquiry, but, I think people (like me) want to be part of the community so they post a commonly asked question just to be seen.

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