Actual Lumen Readings in 10.5in Sphere.

[bigchelis]

Thanks! I appreciate the extra effort. Very surprising info. You may want to edit your P20 data. You posted P20C2 with 18650 but I think you meant 17670 right?

That is correct. Thank you.

[daimleramg]

Hey Big C,

Have you received the sample from moddoo yet? I have received mine and it is very bright. The only way I can test this is when I use the ceiling bounce technique with the triple XPG R5 and my Wolf-Eyes Storm R2, the room is brighter with the triple XPG R5. But very very floody even with my clear narrow optics, my Storm has a small pronounced hotspot and generous amounts of flood.

[bigchelis]

Hey Big C,

Have you received the sample from moddoo yet? I have received mine and it is very bright. The only way I can test this is when I use the ceiling bounce technique with the triple XPG R5 and my Wolf-Eyes Storm R2, the room is brighter with the triple XPG R5. But very very floody even with my clear narrow optics, my Storm has a small pronounced hotspot and generous amounts of flood.

I have not received the Moddoo Tripple XP-G R5 yet

I do have to test the:

• Anto P60 XP-G R5 drop-in
• Dereelight P60 MC-E with 2.5A driver
• Dereelight P60 MC-E with 2.1A driver
• Solarforce Masterpiece and a couple others.

[csshih]

thank you for the new results!

the lummi wee SS is rated to 50 lumens

[psychbeat]

NB D-36 SST50 in 26650fivemega!!

Im going to get one this week either way but
am curious if anyone is sending you one.
sorry if its been done already- didnt see it.
thanks!!

[MrGman]

My new Anto XP-G R5 is very bright. My semi new Thrunite XP-G is dead. Tried to run it at the 9V it says its rated for with a dc supply at 9v even and flash the driver went out. Useless. The Anto was compared to it before it died and it was definitely much brighter. The XP-G has a very useful overall beam. Take readings with the 4.2 lith ion and just a quick read with the 6V battery pair big C. Too see if the brightness changes at all. I couldn't see any different on the power supply from 4.5V to 7.5V in a quick read but of course that's just an eyeball. You got the latest and greatest sphere O truth.

[kramer5150]

Great work BC (& MrG too).

your hard work is very appreciated

[bigchelis]

I will test the Anto XP-G R5 with both IMR 18650 and 2 new CR123 Primareis



I just tested my Dereelight MC-E P60 drop-in. Originally it had a 2.4A driver, but I now has the shinningbeam 2.5A driverr; which have 3 modes. I used my 6P bored (18650) and the bezel has a UCL lens.

Here is what I got:
Surefire 6P w/UCL____________Dereelight P60MC-E w/2.5A______________ 1 IMR 18650________________________ 489.2________________1 sec
Surefire 6P w/UCL_____________Dereelight P60MC-E w/2.5A________________ 1 IMR 18650_________________________439.2_______________ _30 sec
Surefire 6P w/UCL_____________Dereelight P60MC-E w/2.5A________________ 1 IMR 18650_________________________435.4_______________ _1 min
Surefire 6P w/UCL_____________Dereelight P60MC-E w/2.5A________________ 1 IMR 18650_________________________410.0_______________ _2 min
Surefire 6P w/UCL_____________Dereelight P60MC-E w/2.5A________________ 1 IMR 18650_________________________398.5_______________ _3 min

[bigchelis]

I finally got a chance to test the Anto P60 drop-in. I used the same hosts, UCL lens, and IMR 18650. Interesting to note that with 2 primaries (top of the input voltage) the Anto P60 1.4A module performs poorly compared to just a single IMR 18650.

I can't account to why the lumens drop so much after 1 second. I am not recording peak intant lumens, that is actually the number that pops up at turn-on aka. 1 second reading.

With the Anto P60 XP-G R4 I would get 1.43A steady at the tail. With the new XP-G R5 I get a solid 1.401A at the tail.

Here it goes:
Name of light__________________LED Type ________________Batteries ________________Lumens __________ Time
Solarforce w/ UCL_________________ Anto P60 XP-G R5__________________ 1 IMR 18650______________________ 353.8_________________1 sec
Solarforce w/ UCL___________________Anto P60 XP-G R5__________________ 1 IMR 18650_______________________296.2_________________ 30 sec
Solarforce w/ UCL___________________Anto P60 XP-G R5__________________ 1 IMR 18650_______________________291.5_________________ 1 min
Solarforce w/ UCL___________________Anto P60 XP-G R5__________________ 1 IMR 18650_______________________284.6_________________ 2 min
Solarforce w/ UCL___________________Anto P60 XP-G R5__________________ 1 IMR 18650_______________________280.8_________________ 3 min
Solarforce w/ UCL_________________ Anto P60 XP-G R5__________________ 2 Primaries_______________________292.2_____________ ___ 1 sec
Solarforce w/ UCL___________________Anto P60 XP-G R5___________________2 Primaries________________________237.7____________ ____ 30 sec
Solarforce w/ UCL___________________Anto P60 XP-G R5___________________2 Primaries________________________240.0____________ ____ 1 min
Solarforce w/ UCL___________________Anto P60 XP-G R5___________________2 Primaries________________________250.0____________ ____ 2 min
Solarforce w/ UCL___________________Anto P60 XP-G R5___________________2 Primaries________________________249.2____________ ____ 3 min
Solarforce w/ UCL___________________Anto P60 XP-G R5___________________2 Primaries________________________256.2____________ ____ 4 min
Anto P60 w/L2 ________________________ XPG-R4 ___________________ 1 IMR 18650 w/ 1.43A ________________ 286.2 ________________ 1 sec
Anto P60 w/L2 _________________________ XPG-R4 ____________________1 IMR 18650 w/ 1.43A _________________ 286.9 ________________ 30 sec
Anto P60 w/L2 _________________________ XPG-R4 ____________________1 IMR 18650 w/ 1.43A _________________ 298.5 ________________ 1 min
Anto P60 w/L2 _________________________ XPG-R4 ____________________1 IMR 18650 w/ 1.43A _________________ 296.9 ________________ 1.5 min
Anto P60 w/L2 _________________________ XPG-R4 ____________________1 IMR 18650 w/ 1.43A _________________ 292.3 _________________2 min
Anto P60 w/L2 _________________________ XPG-R4 ___________________ 1 IMR 18650 w/ 1.43A _________________ 288.5 _________________3 min
Anto P60 w/L2 _________________________ XPG-R4 ___________________ 1 IMR 18650 w/ 1.43A _________________ 283.1 ________________ 4 min

[csshih]

wow! thanks for all those readings


the solarforce turbohead is the Pro-I, and it runs brighter on 2 rcrs


RA clicky 140 -- got a 142 OTF reading.. LOL nice! psst - the liteflux lf2xt TI is a XP-G R5

[bigchelis]

wow! thanks for all those readings


the solarforce turbohead is the Pro-I, and it runs brighter on 2 rcrs


RA clicky 140 -- got a 142 OTF reading.. LOL nice! psst - the liteflux lf2xt TI is a XP-G R5

Thanks.

What is the brand of the Damascus light?

[Anto]

I can't account to why the lumens drop so much after 1 second. I am not recording peak intant lumens, that is actually the number that pops up at turn-on aka. 1 second reading.

PM'ed you. I believe this problem might be isolated to your module due to a slight ground revision.

[bigchelis]

NB D-36 SST50 in 26650fivemega!!

Im going to get one this week either way but
am curious if anyone is sending you one.
sorry if its been done already- didnt see it.
thanks!!

Nope...Not yet.

The only one tested was the SST-50 with 2.5A driver from shinningbeam.com and it was absolutely awesome at 470 OTF and over 400 at 4 mintues in P60 6P type hosts with IMR 18650.

If you get it we can test it. The next time there is a Bay Area BBQ, I will take the IS Sphere and we can see how bright it is or you can ship it to me if you can't wait. Some DD D36 SST-50 inspite of the big IMR 26650 cell the current may be well below 4A which might help in the OTF department. My particular SST-50 in P60 DD format was pulling 5.8A which really hurt in the OTF that is why I sent it back for 2.5A driver. You may also experience switch meltdowns at those high current temperatures.



bigC

[psychbeat]

Id be happy to send it to yah after I get it
to satisfy my curiosity and maybe a few others out there?

[csshih]

Thanks.

What is the brand of the Damascus light?

it's the new NAITHAWK brand, see here:
http://www.cpfmarketplace.com/mp/sho...d.php?t=213486

[kramer5150]

@ Anto... wow that XPG-R4 looks like a winner.
I am running an R4 off a 4x7135 board, with rev-polarity diodes bypassed and am very happy with the result. Hopefully I can get it in the sphere of truth II soon.

[bigchelis]

Update:

I have been reading about the DBS hosts being able to make more lumens vs. a 6P type hosts due to the added surface area ect....

Well I got a stock DBS MC-E; it comes with a 2.1A MC-E able to run up to 14v. I used a 6P vs. DBS hosts and with the same cells I got more OTF lumens initally and throught the 3 minutes runtime too

Surefire 6P w/ 18650ext.______Dereelight P60MC-E w/2.1A____________2 AW 2600mAh 18650___________________ 463.1________________1 sec
Surefire 6P w/ 18650ext.________Dereelight P60MC-E w/2.1A_____________2 AW 2600mAh 18650___________________ 416.2________________30 sec
Surefire 6P w/ 18650ext.________Dereelight P60MC-E w/2.1A_____________2 AW 2600mAh 18650___________________ 393.8________________1 min
Surefire 6P w/ 18650ext.________Dereelight P60MC-E w/2.1A_____________2 AW 2600mAh 18650___________________ 365.4________________2 min
Surefire 6P w/ 18650ext.________Dereelight P60MC-E w/2.1A_____________2 AW 2600mAh 18650___________________ 348.5________________3 min
Dereelight DBS hosts_________Dereelight P60 MC-E w/2.1A____________2 AW 2600mAh 18650__________________ 470.8________________1 sec
Dereelight DBS hosts__________Dereelight P60 MC-E w/2.1A_____________2 AW 2600mAh 18650___________________ 420.8________________30 sec
Dereelight DBS hosts__________Dereelight P60 MC-E w/2.1A_____________2 AW 2600mAh 18650___________________ 414.6________________1 min
Dereelight DBS hosts__________Dereelight P60 MC-E w/2.1A_____________2 AW 2600mAh 18650___________________ 406.9________________2 min
Dereelight DBS hosts__________Dereelight P60 MC-E w/2.1A_____________2 AW 2600mAh 18650___________________ 402.3________________3 min

[flashfiend]

Now I really want to get my direct drive DBS sst50 tested.

[joshconsulting]

MORE lumens with the DBS? I assumed there would be fewer with the deeper reflector but that there would be less of a lumen drop from temperature. Now I'm even more interested in 2.5/2.8/IMR DD/LiPo DD SST-50 GJ results with the DBS

[bigchelis]

MORE lumens with the DBS? I assumed there would be fewer with the deeper reflector but that there would be less of a lumen drop from temperature. Now I'm even more interested in 2.5/2.8/IMR DD/LiPo DD SST-50 GJ results with the DBS

Well,,

I did manage to test my Nailbender drop-in SST-50 with 2.5A driver. Anto didn't pot it after all, but this allowed me to use the pill in the DBS

Name of light__________________LED Type ________________Batteries ________________Lumens __________ Time
Dereelight DBS hosts_______________Nailbender SST-50 w/2.5A______________1 IMR 18650_______________________499.2_________________ 1 sec
Dereelight DBS hosts_______________Nailbender SST-50 w/2.5A______________1 IMR 18650_______________________433.1_________________ 30 sec
Dereelight DBS hosts_______________Nailbender SST-50 w/2.5A______________1 IMR 18650_______________________423.8_________________ 1 min
Dereelight DBS hosts_______________Nailbender SST-50 w/2.5A______________1 IMR 18650_______________________416.9_________________ 2 min
Dereelight DBS hosts_______________Nailbender SST-50 w/2.5A______________1 IMR 18650_______________________413.8_________________ 3 min

Here is what it did before in MrGmans 6in IS Sphere in a 6P type hosts, but in both cases with the same IMR 18650. You should also note that both the L2 and the DBS have AR coated lens.
Nailbender SST50_P60_H_____470__turn-on____________1_IMR 18650__________Solarforce L2 with AR coated glass.
Nailbender SST50_P60_H_____450__20 sec,____________1_IMR 18650__________Solarforce L2 with AR coated glass.
Nailbender SST50_P60_H_____444__30 sec,____________1_IMR 18650__________Solarforce L2 with AR coated glass.
Nailbender SST50_P60_H_____430__60 sec,____________1_IMR 18650__________Solarforce L2 with AR coated glass.
Nailbender SST50_P60_H_____416__120 sec,___________1_IMR 18650__________Solarforce L2 with AR coated glass.
Nailbender SST50_P60_H_____407__180 sec,___________1_IMR 18650__________Solarforce L2 with AR coated glass.
Nailbender SST50_P60_H_____405__240 sec,___________1_IMR 18650__________Solarforce L2 with AR coated glass.

[dandism]

BigC, will there be a San Jose area lumen measureing meet?

[joshconsulting]

Interesting, it seems the DBS reflector collects more of the light but I would have thought the output would drop less. Do you have any thermal paste to try putting around the base of the reflector where it fits into the body, and possibly where the P60 module screws into the reflector? That seemed to help thermal conductivity on mine.

Also, was yours the stock AR glass or a replacement? The stock apparently has a 95-96% transmission, and isn't quite up to par with flashlightlens.com's lenses. Jay also told me that there were issues with milky lenses, but those were supposed to have been fixed.

Either way, no big difference. Quite an impressive output scraping 500, the 2.8 would likely get 530ish on turnon

[recDNA]

MMM Dereelight with Nailbender SST-50....how in the world am I going to justify buying another flashlight. Let's see...the bathroom in the playroom hasn't got a flashlight...err the garage doesn't have a flashlight...Nailbender to my pocket Quark to the garage!

Now that I think about it I'm waiting until the new Dereelight tactical tailcap is available. Too hard to push the clicky and I never use flashlights to tailstand.

[csshih]

BigC, will there be a San Jose area lumen measureing meet?

lol,

[flashfiend]

BigC, can you PM with your general location in SJ? Do you live in the southern part or northern part? I feel like with me living in San Leandro I am close but yet so far. I really want to see if the DBS changes your initial findings with the direct drive sst-50. In my case I'd be using a protected battery and not IMR (current ?heat? shouldn't spike so fast). I should have a nailbender/FM sst-90 DD mag setup to test as well very soon.

[bigchelis]

Craig,

I have a Dereelight R2 with Aspherical of my own now

I been doing beamshoots at 200yards with the Dereelight and the DEFT FTP and I can't see one brighter at that distance than the other.


Maybe I need to test those Aspherical monsters at 400 yards to see which is the obious thrower.

bigC

[recDNA]

Got a lux meter?

[csshih]

perhaps the rubber pre-colliminator needs playing with. I accidentally bumped it before.

[bigchelis]

perhaps the rubber pre-colliminator needs playing with. I accidentally bumped it before.

Thanks,

I will try messing around with the pre-colliminator and see if it clearly beats the Dereelight Aspherical at 200 yards.

[bigchelis]

Finally I got to measure the Fenix TK40 MC-E. Really nice light if I may add.





Here are all the lights added as of last night.


Name of light__________________LED Type ________________Batteries ________________Lumens __________ Time
Fenix TK40_____________________________ MC-E_________________________8 Eneloops_______________________ 570.8_________________1 sec
Fenix TK40______________________________MC-E_________________________8 Eneloops________________________552.3_____________ ____30 sec
Fenix TK40______________________________MC-E_________________________8 Eneloops________________________543.8_____________ ____1 min
Fenix TK40______________________________MC-E_________________________8 Eneloops________________________542.3_____________ ____2 min
Fenix TK40______________________________MC-E_________________________8 Eneloops________________________553.1_____________ ____3 min
4D Mag Terralux TLE-300M-EX_____________3 R2_________________________4D Alkalines______________________ 608.5_________________1 sec
4D Mag Terralux TLE-300M-EX______________3 R2__________________________4D Alkalines______________________ 522.3_________________30 sec
4D Mag Terralux TLE-300M-EX______________3 R2__________________________4D Alkalines______________________ 504.6_________________1 min
4D Mag Terralux TLE-300M-EX______________3 R2__________________________4D Alkalines______________________ 485.4_________________2 min
4D Mag Terralux TLE-300M-EX______________3 R2__________________________4D Alkalines______________________ 473.8_________________3 min
MiniMag AA w/Terralux TLE-5EX___________Q5__________________________ 2 AA Eneloop_____________________81.5_________________ 1 min
MiniMag AA w/Terralux TLE-5EX_____________Q5___________________________2 AA Eneloop______________________80.8_________________ 30 min
MiniMag AA w/Terralux TLE-5EX_____________Q5___________________________2 AA Eneloop______________________79.2_________________ 1 min
MiniMag AA w/Terralux TLE-5EX_____________Q5___________________________2 AA Eneloop______________________72.3_________________ 2 min
MiniMag AA w/Terralux TLE-5EX_____________Q5___________________________2 AA Eneloop______________________70.0_________________ 3 min
Fenix LD10_____________________________ Q5___________________________2 AA Eneloop____________________115.4__________________ 1 sec
Fenix LD10______________________________ Q5___________________________2 AA Eneloop_____________________106.2_________________ _30 sec
Fenix LD10______________________________ Q5___________________________2 AA Eneloop_____________________103.8_________________ _1 min
Fenix LD10______________________________ Q5___________________________2 AA Eneloop_____________________101.5_________________ _2 min
Fenix LD10______________________________ Q5___________________________2 AA Eneloop_____________________100.8_________________ _3 min
Regal EDC______________________________Q5_______________ ____________2 AA Eneloop______________________100.0________________ 1 sec
Regal EDC______________________________ Q5___________________________2 AA Eneloop______________________ 90.8________________ 30 sec
Regal EDC______________________________ Q5___________________________2 AA Eneloop______________________ 88.5________________ 1 min
Regal EDC______________________________ Q5___________________________2 AA Eneloop______________________ 86.9________________ 2 min
ITP A2 EOS_____________________________ Q5___________________________2 AA Eneloop______________________70.0_________________ 1 sec
ITP A2 EOS_____________________________ Q5___________________________2 AA Eneloop______________________ 66.2_________________30 sec
ITP A2 EOS_____________________________ Q5___________________________2 AA Eneloop______________________ 65.4_________________1 min
EagleTac P10A__________________________ Q5___________________________2 AA Eneloop_____________________123.1_________________ 1 sec
EagleTac P10A___________________________Q5_________________ __________2 AA Eneloop______________________111.5________________ _30 sec
EagleTac P10A___________________________Q5_________________ __________2 AA Eneloop______________________108.5________________ _1 min
EagleTac P10A___________________________Q5_________________ __________2 AA Eneloop______________________105.4________________ _2 min
EagleTac P10A___________________________Q5_________________ __________2 AA Eneloop______________________103.8________________ _3 min
Jetbeam Jet-i V3_________________________R2_____________________ ______2 AA Eneloop_____________________117.7_________________ 1 sec
Jetbeam Jet-i V3__________________________R2____________________ _______2 AA Eneloop______________________117.7________________ _30 sec
Jetbeam Jet-i V3__________________________R2____________________ _______2 AA Eneloop______________________116.2________________ _1 min
Jetbeam Jet-i V3__________________________R2____________________ _______2 AA Eneloop______________________113.8________________ _2 min
Jetbeam Jet-i V3__________________________R2____________________ _______2 AA Eneloop______________________113.8________________ _3 min
Tiablo TL-1 V.2__________________________Q5___________________ ________ 2 AA Eneloop_____________________80.0_________________ 1 sec
Tiablo TL-1 V.2___________________________Q5__________________ _________ 2 AA Eneloop______________________76.2_________________ 30 sec
Tiablo TL-1 V.2___________________________Q5__________________ _________ 2 AA Eneloop______________________74.6_________________ 1 min
Tiablo TL-1 V.2___________________________Q5__________________ _________ 2 AA Eneloop______________________73.1_________________ 2 min
Tiablo TL-1 V.2___________________________Q5__________________ _________ 2 AA Eneloop______________________72.3_________________ 3 min
NiteCore EZAA__________________________Q5__________________ _________ 2 AA Eneloop_____________________103.1_________________ 1 sec
NiteCore EZAA___________________________Q5_________________ __________ 2 AA Eneloop_____________________104.6_________________ 30 sec
NiteCore EZAA___________________________Q5_________________ __________ 2 AA Eneloop_____________________104.6_________________ 1 min
NiteCore EZAA___________________________Q5_________________ __________ 2 AA Eneloop_____________________104.6_________________ 2 min
Fenix LD01 Mod________________________XP-G R5_______________________1 AAA Eneloop____________________ 96.9_________________ 1 sec
Fenix LD01 Mod_________________________XP-G R5_______________________1 AAA Eneloop_____________________ 91.5_________________ 30 sec
Fenix LD01 Mod_________________________XP-G R5_______________________1 AAA Eneloop_____________________ 89.2_________________ 1 min
Fenix LD01 Mod_________________________XP-G R5_______________________1 AAA Eneloop_____________________ 87.7_________________ 2 min
2D Mag w/ Malkoff_____________________P7 Drop-in_______________________2 AW 18650______________________ 463.1_________________1 sec
2D Mag w/ Malkoff______________________P7 Drop-in________________________2 AW 18650______________________ 389.2_________________30 sec
2D Mag w/ Malkoff______________________P7 Drop-in________________________2 AW 18650______________________ 392.3_________________1 min
2D Mag w/ Malkoff______________________P7 Drop-in________________________2 AW 18650______________________ 393.1_________________2 min
2D Mag w/ Malkoff______________________P7 Drop-in________________________2 AW 18650______________________ 390.8_________________3 min
Surefire U2 Ultra_______________________ Stock________________________2 CR123 Primaries__________________ 133.1_________________1 sec
Surefire U2 Ultra_________________________Stock_______________ _________2 CR123 Primaries___________________ 117.7_________________30 sec
Surefire U2 Ultra_________________________Stock_______________ _________2 CR123 Primaries___________________ 122.3_________________1 min
Surefire U2 Ultra_________________________Stock_______________ _________2 CR123 Primaries___________________ 119.2_________________2 min
Surefire U2 Ultra_________________________Stock_______________ _________2 CR123 Primaries___________________ 117.7_________________3 min
Megalenium w/SOB Tower_____SOB 1227 XP-G R4 by JustinCase__________ 3 AW 18650______________________169.2_________________1 sec
Megalenium w/SOB Tower_______SOB 1227 XP-G R4 by JustinCase____________3 AW 18650______________________150.0_________________3 0 sec
Megalenium w/SOB Tower_______SOB 1227 XP-G R4 by JustinCase____________3 AW 18650______________________148.5_________________1 min
Megalenium w/SOB Tower_______SOB 1227 XP-G R4 by JustinCase____________3 AW 18650______________________146.9_________________2 min
Surefire M6 w/ SOB Tower_____SOB 1000 P4 by JustinCase________________??????????______________ _______120.0_________________1 sec
Surefire M6 w/ SOB Tower_______SOB 1000 P4 by JustinCase_________________??????????_____________ _________ 114.6_________________30 sec
Surefire M6 w/ SOB Tower_______SOB 1000 P4 by JustinCase_________________??????????_____________ _________ 113.8_________________1 min
Surefire M6 w/ SOB Tower_______SOB 1000 P4 by JustinCase_________________??????????_____________ _________ 112.3_________________2 min
Mag 4D w/Malkoff P4 mod_____JustinCase put an XP-G R4 in lieu of P4______ 4D Alkaline_____________________ 164.6_________________1 sec
Mag 4D w/Malkoff P4 mod_______JustinCase put an XP-G R4 in lieu of P4_________4D Alkaline______________________139.2_______________ __30 sec
Mag 4D w/Malkoff P4 mod_______JustinCase put an XP-G R4 in lieu of P4_________4D Alkaline______________________136.2_______________ __1 min
Mag 4D w/Malkoff P4 mod_______JustinCase put an XP-G R4 in lieu of P4_________4D Alkaline______________________133.8_______________ __2 min
Mag 4D w/Malkoff P4 mod_______JustinCase put an XP-G R4 in lieu of P4_________4D Alkaline______________________132.3_______________ __3 min