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    Thanks for posting the VP1K results. It's good to see how the AccuEvolutions performed. I think the extra sag is a reasonable trade-off for the lower self-discharge.

    Based on side-by-side comparisons with my Lambda Revolution 3C (that MrGman tested at ~750), your result for the VP1K are about what I expected.

    Did you happen to test the AccuEvolutions with the VP2K?

    I've hesitated ordering any Tenergy C's, because they've had such a mixed reputation here. Wish there were more NiMH C options.

    Lambda has said that since he's pushing the emitters so hard, using D cells instead of C's with the same PWM rates was often too much. I'm curious about Sub C's though. There's better high current options in that size. Might be time to order 4x Elite 5000's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by calebra View Post
    BigC, are you sure when you tested the SF III SMT that you had it on high for the test?


    Absolutely it was on high, but it has probably the best construction and attention to detail I have ever seen.

    To be fair all Osram LED's me or Mrgman have tested have been nothing but dissapointment in terms of OTF. If ArcMania uses an SST-50 in the future the results will be spectacular for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gswitter View Post
    Thanks for posting the VP1K results. It's good to see how the AccuEvolutions performed. I think the extra sag is a reasonable trade-off for the lower self-discharge.

    Based on side-by-side comparisons with my Lambda Revolution 3C (that MrGman tested at ~750), your result for the VP1K are about what I expected.

    Did you happen to test the AccuEvolutions with the VP2K?

    I've hesitated ordering any Tenergy C's, because they've had such a mixed reputation here. Wish there were more NiMH C options.

    Lambda has said that since he's pushing the emitters so hard, using D cells instead of C's with the same PWM rates was often too much. I'm curious about Sub C's though. There's better high current options in that size. Might be time to order 4x Elite 5000's.

    $25 sent for the bigger sphere fund.


    Gswitter I got the $25 for the 24in Sphere thank you


    I did test my Lambda Varapower2000 with both NiMH C cells and your tailcap (the copper resistance modded). The OTF results suffered greatly with both cells and I was in the 1000 OTF range just by a tailcap switch.

    I put the stock (no resistance) tailcap back on and the lumens were right back in the 1500~1300 OTF range.



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    Quote Originally Posted by bigchelis View Post
    Once I hit $200 I will order the 24in Sphere
    for $16 - with no way to do "personal" transfers over here, I hope at least $15 arrive at your end...

    Quote Originally Posted by bigchelis View Post
    Oh and a local guy has a Moddoo Tripple XP-G R5 too. I plan to really get these 2 lights tested by next Friday or sooner.
    Looking forward to that one!
    To my naked eye it is quite close to my 24W Xenide with diffuser (and smokes the nalibender SST-90 drop-in ).

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigchelis View Post
    Absolutely it was on high, but it has probably the best construction and attention to detail I have ever seen.

    To be fair all Osram LED's me or Mrgman have tested have been nothing but dissapointment in terms of OTF. If ArcMania uses an SST-50 in the future the results will be spectacular for sure.

    bigC
    yep, i hear ya, btw, i have his sst-50 and his osram 15w and they are both very different animals...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigchelis View Post
    I did test my Lambda Varapower2000 with both NiMH C cells and your tailcap (the copper resistance modded). The OTF results suffered greatly with both cells and I was in the 1000 OTF range just by a tailcap switch.

    I put the stock (no resistance) tailcap back on and the lumens were right back in the 1500~1300 OTF range.
    Let me get this straight... you tested your VP2K with the copper-strapped tail cap from my VP1K and the output dropped by a third? And that drop occurred with both the AccuEvolution and the Tenergy cells?



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    Quote Originally Posted by gswitter View Post
    Let me get this straight... you tested your VP2K with the copper-strapped tail cap from my VP1K and the output dropped by a third? And that drop occurred with both the AccuEvolution and the Tenergy cells?
    Lambda does mention in his thread that HIS tailcap is instrumental in output and shouldnt be altered for various reasons ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by gswitter View Post
    Let me get this straight... you tested your VP2K with the copper-strapped tail cap from my VP1K and the output dropped by a third? And that drop occurred with both the AccuEvolution and the Tenergy cells?

    Yup.

    Lambda mentioned the current can go as sky high as 15A if I use that copper mod tailcap and suggested I stick to the stock one
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    Quote Originally Posted by calebra View Post
    Lambda does mention in his thread that HIS tailcap is instrumental in output and shouldnt be altered for various reasons ...
    I would love a link to his thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FroggyTaco View Post
    I would love a link to his thread.
    http://flashlightnews.net/forum/index.php?board=43.0

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    [QUOTE=bigchelis;3384886][QUOTE=bigchelis;3383434]Okay I will use this spot to track the donations towards the 16.5in Sphere. paypal is bigchelis@yahoo.com

    • SmokeLaw1 = $25= completed.
    • Flashfriend = $5 = completed.
    • Ti-force $15 = completed.
    • calebra= $50 = completed.
    • FroggyTaco $10 = completed.
    • Vortus $5 = completed.
    • MiniLux $25 = completed.
    • RedfishBluefishe $10 = completed
    • Elho $16 = completed
    • Gswitter $25 = completed.
    Total $182.93


    Thank you all for helping me keep this thread going.....it will get interesting now that we can test the big lights too.
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    Thanks...I would never have found it since I only troll here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by elho View Post
    To my naked eye it is quite close to my 24W Xenide with diffuser (and smokes the nalibender SST-90 drop-in ).
    I'll fix that in short order.

    Did you use the Direct Drive or regulated? Single or multi mode? What kind of switch, battery, reflector?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigchelis View Post
    Lambda mentioned the current can go as sky high as 15A if I use that copper mod tailcap and suggested I stick to the stock one
    Yeah, I remember that... I just didn't expect the copper-strapped VP1K tail to have that much less resistance than the modded VP2K tail. I forgot about the delay in bigC's reading with the VP2K, too. Maybe we can get him to try that again when he gets the bigger sphere set up.



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    Quote Originally Posted by bigchelis View Post
    Okay I will use this spot to track the donations towards the 16.5in Sphere. paypal is bigchelis@yahoo.com

    • SmokeLaw1 = $25= completed.
    • Flashfriend = $5 = completed.
    • Ti-force $15 = completed.
    • calebra= $50 = completed.
    • FroggyTaco $10 = completed.
    • Vortus $5 = completed.
    • MiniLux $25 = completed.
    • RedfishBluefishe $10 = completed
    • Elho $16 = completed
    • Gswitter $25 = completed.
    Total $182.93


    Thank you all for helping me keep this thread going.....it will get interesting now that we can test the big lights too.


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    I want to thank each and every person who contributed to the purchase of the 24.5in Sphere.

    I placed the order and I will be able to test the big lights in about a week. My 1st lights are the Howitzer 3 MC-E moster light and the SR90 SST-90 search light.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigchelis View Post
    I want to thank each and every person who contributed to the purchase of the 24.5in Sphere.



    I placed the order and I will be able to test the big lights in about a week. My 1st lights are the Howitzer 3 MC-E moster light and the SR90 SST-90 search light.




    Sweet!

    Hey, would you mind taking an ID measurement for me after it arrives? When you have a chance of course .
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    Quote Originally Posted by ti-force View Post
    Sweet!

    Hey, would you mind taking an ID measurement for me after it arrives? When you have a chance of course .

    Most definitely.


    Oh and I confirmed that the Moddoo Tripple XP-G R5 is ready for me to pick-up Wednesday 7:30pm. So, by 11pm my time I plan to have the results published for all to see.
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    Default Re: Actual Lumen Readings in 10.5in Sphere.

    Please post a link to the new thread (i.e. Actual Lumen Readings in 24.5 in sphere) here once you have it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ti-force View Post
    • SmokeLaw1 = $25= completed.
    • Flashfriend = $5 = completed.
    • Ti-force $15 = completed.
    • calebra= $50 = completed.
    • FroggyTaco $10 = completed.
    • Vortus $5 = completed.
    • MiniLux $25 = completed.
    • RedfishBluefishe $10 = completed
    • Elho $16 = completed
    • Gswitter $25 = completed.
    Total $182.93



    With all the guys who have benefitted from these readings you think more would chip in a mere $5.00 each and get this thing up over the top so big C can take more readings with the bigger sphere. A big congrats to those who stepped up.

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    PP sent! It's not much but every little bit counts.

    I know I have gleaned a lot of valuable information from your testing and it's great to have people like you to invest your time to provide us with such useful information. I am sure I will use your services soon.

    Thanks!

    P.S. I can't wait to see what the triple will do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigchelis View Post
    Most definitely.


    Oh and I confirmed that the Moddoo Tripple XP-G R5 is ready for me to pick-up Wednesday 7:30pm. So, by 11pm my time I plan to have the results published for all to see.


    Cool man,

    I've been too swamped to make an "extra" to send you

    I keep my personal DD XPG triple close by at all times.

    I'll have something new to send you in a few weeks.

    Also, I am setting up my own sphere, and would like to confirm that a few lights are testing the same between us.

    looking forward to the results.

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    On my Lambda Vara 1000 I did the copper wire mod to loose resistance and the performance dropped a lot.I did an ohm test on the spring and its only 1ohm which is amazing.The spring Lambda uses is very good in the tail for sure.

    Also Big C Vara 1000 was only pulling 2.6A at the tail and still getting 876 OTF which is amazing.

    Im pulling right at 5.1A at the tail fresh off the charger.I have to go down 2-3 levels to keep the SST50 from turning blue. I would say mine is 1k+ Lumens.

    I have learned that when charging these Tenergy C cells in series that they like to be charged at 1.5A .I haven't gone higher then that. I can see and notice a difference with output and run time.The MFG. says you can charge them at 3A Max. So if you have a fulla djustable charger like I do give it a try.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bullettproof View Post
    On my Lambda Vara 1000 I did the copper wire mod to loose resistance and the performance dropped a lot.I did an ohm test on the spring and its only 1ohm which is amazing.The spring Lambda uses is very good in the tail for sure.

    Also Big C Vara 1000 was only pulling 2.6A at the tail and still getting 876 OTF which is amazing.

    Im pulling right at 5.1A at the tail fresh off the charger.I have to go down 2-3 levels to keep the SST50 from turning blue. I would say mine is 1k+ Lumens.

    I have learned that when charging these Tenergy C cells in series that they like to be charged at 1.5A .I haven't gone higher then that. I can see and notice a difference with output and run time.The MFG. says you can charge them at 3A Max. So if you have a fulla djustable charger like I do give it a try.


    I didn't have a chance to test the VARA1000 with a normal tailcap and its back in the owners hands. The good news is Lambda said he would build another one for me and I can take off the center gel like material to see how it affects lumens. I will have to wait a couple months for that one, but at least I get to potentially ruin it with no prejudice.
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    The Varas are very nice I dont think I could replace it and buy another for the same price from any other Custom Modder on here for its price and features.There are 38 Levels of brightness total yes I counted lol.
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    I have been itching to test this Moddoo Tripple XP-G R5 real bad. This drop-in is all that and more way more wayyyyyyy more

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    dooooooood,
    thats INSANE- who says p60s cant do 1000 OTF!
    for direct drive its amazing the 3min is so steady..
    Im wondering if that van isle quad is gonna be any brighter..

    hey BIGC-

    would you be into testing a dual XPG R2 4000k Linger Special 2.8A reg?
    its kinda small potatoes after that modoo tho.. great tint for muddy
    trails compared to the R5s.

    Ill send $ for the postage obviously and will make a 10$ contribution
    towards setting up the new sphere etc.
    there's already AS-5 on the threads

    if you do want to test it shall I send a host too or just
    the module?

    I also could send an NB 2.5A reg SST50 5700k but I think youve tested
    one of those before.

    lemme know!

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    Quote Originally Posted by psychbeat View Post
    dooooooood,
    thats INSANE- who says p60s cant do 1000 OTF!
    for direct drive its amazing the 3min is so steady..
    Im wondering if that van isle quad is gonna be any brighter..

    hey BIGC-

    would you be into testing a dual XPG R2 4000k Linger Special 2.8A reg?
    its kinda small potatoes after that modoo tho.. great tint for muddy
    trails compared to the R5s.

    Ill send $ for the postage obviously and will make a 10$ contribution
    towards setting up the new sphere etc.
    there's already AS-5 on the threads

    if you do want to test it shall I send a host too or just
    the module?

    I also could send an NB 2.5A reg SST50 5700k but I think youve tested
    one of those before.

    lemme know!

    I never thought a P60 could do 1000 OTF, much less stay so stable.

    Send me that Linger Special maybe its a 600 OTF monster. I did test my SST-50 2.5A regulated, but they will all vary a tiny bit. Since you are sending the linger to me go ahead and send the SST-50 too. That way you will know what yours make.


    You can send just the drop-ins or the hosts too, its up to you. I have bored 6P hosts with UCL lens just in case your hosts doesnt have that AR coated lens.


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    Quote Originally Posted by bigchelis View Post
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    OPPS!!!!!!!!!


    Correction:

    The cell I used for the Tripple XP-G R5 was an AW 18650 2600mAh not an IMR 18650.

    The current at the tail with the AW 2600mAh cell was only 3.2A. With an IMR 18650 its 4A, but I still have to test it and it should be at least 100 more OTF lumens.

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