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    Quote Originally Posted by joshconsulting View Post
    Cheating. I'm surprised at the few people who use UCLs. It's like moving up an entire binning in brightness.
    The reason I say cheating is because to put a UCL lens in a KT-4 or M size bezel is a lot more difficult then if you did it to a Solaforce or 6P bezel. I think the average person will not go through all the trouble, but then again this is Candlepowerforum
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    I have a 1C Mag made by Nailbender with an SST-50 direct drive and a D2flex switch installed. The switch was my attemp to regulate the current.


    I used a DX C un-protected cell and got great results...., but I know the IMR C cell can deliver more juice. When I put a IMR C cell at 4.21V ( topped off) the color of the beam goes from normal vanilla/green to BLUE. I don't want to kill my LED, but I want to test the SST-50 on high mode with IMR C cell.

    My solution is to test a depleted IMR C cell. I can however test the SST-50 1C Mag on the 2nd from highest mode and no blue tint. Here are my results with a topped off IMR C cell and 2nd level.

    725ish turn-on and 632 at 3 minutes. Not bad considering it is not the highest mode.


    EDIT: Well; I did the SST-50 1C Mag on high with IMR C cell at 4.10V and you can see my list for the OTF #s...
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    Spent some time at Joses place last night... showing him some DIY tricks and measuring some of my lights. Hopefully he'll get off the couch and upload the Lumen data... LOL

    Pics of us modding his TLS M-series beast.


    Measuring some of my lights. I think many of you will find this data very useful, since none of these lights are modded in any way. I did not use IMR cells either, except for the SF-A2, where we measured output with both IMR and Ultrafire blue cells.



    Noteworthy performances (from my memory):

    SF-A2-INCAN = ~90 Lumens after 3 minutes, output did not significantly change with IMR-16340 cells. Rock Solid regulation, on par with any LED and under-rated by SF.

    SF-E2L-Outdorsman (KX2 Dual-mode head) = ~100 Lumens after 3 minutes. Solid regulation and under-rated by Surefire.

    ITP-A3-EOS = This little bugger was a big surprise. It maintained ~75L after 3 minutes.
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    The Aviator is in post #2 as it is mostly incan.

    The Surefire Outdoorsmand is in post #1.


    I will re-test the ROP's with an OP reflector that has an opening about half the size of the KD v3 15mm one. It is soo small that the ROP bulbs barely fit..just barely. I will use topped off IMR 26650's since they provide the most current and double check the voltage and current every time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigchelis View Post
    The Aviator is in post #2 as it is mostly incan.

    The Surefire Outdoorsmand is in post #1.


    I will re-test the ROP's with an OP reflector that has an opening about half the size of the KD v3 15mm one. It is soo small that the ROP bulbs barely fit..just barely. I will use topped off IMR 26650's since they provide the most current and double check the voltage and current every time.
    I notice you tested a Javelin (a personal fav.) with an MC-E drop in. Did you do anything special to heat sink it? Any chance I could get you to run a test with 2 X L91's? That's what I use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by recDNA View Post
    I notice you tested a Javelin (a personal fav.) with an MC-E drop in. Did you do anything special to heat sink it? Any chance I could get you to run a test with 2 X L91's? That's what I use.

    I tested 2 different DX P60 MC-E drop-ins. Both are the 3 mode ones and both make 350ish OTF with a IMR 18650.

    But,

    One makes 50ish more lumens with a Javelin and 3 NiMH AA cell vs. the other sample. I labeled them #1 and #2 to show they are completely different drop-ins. I just put cooper tape ( alot) around the drop-in till it fits snug. I dont have L91 cells?

    The DX drop-ins are good up to 4.2V, but topped off AA NiMH are about 1.45V under no load.

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    3854 Low updates:

    When I first tested the ROP 3854L it was with 2 IMR 18650 and while the current was identical I got more lumens out the front with the bigger IMR 26650. I used a 8mm (really small hole) MOP reflector for the IMR 26650 tests. For the IMR 18650 tests I used a KD V3 15mm reflector.




    2C Mag w/ROP__________ROP 3854L _________2 IMR 18650 AW cells w/2.08A__234.6____1 sec
    2C Mag w/ROP____________ROP 3854L ___________2 IMR 18650 AW cells w/2.08A_____220.0_____30 sec
    2C Mag w/ROP____________ROP 3854L ___________2 IMR 18650 AW cells w/2.08A_____216.9_____1 min
    2C Mag w/ROP____________ROP 3854L ___________2 IMR 18650 AW cells w/2.08A_____213.8_____2 min
    2C Mag w/ROP____________ROP 3854L ___________2 IMR 18650 AW cells w/2.08A_____211.5_____3 min
    2C Mag w/ROP__________ROP 3854L _________2 IMR 26650 w/2A____________296.2____1 sec
    2C Mag w/ROP____________ROP 3854L ___________2 IMR 26650 w/ 2A_______________272.3_____30 sec
    2C Mag w/ROP____________ROP 3854L ___________2 IMR 26650 w/ 2A_______________267.7_____1 min
    2C Mag w/ROP____________ROP 3854L ___________2 IMR 26650 w/ 2A_______________261.5_____2 min
    2C Mag w/ROP____________ROP 3854L ___________2 IMR 26650 w/ 2A_______________261.5_____3 min

    I re-tested the WA1185 with topped off IMR C 26500 cells. Each cell was at 4.22v each and I got 3.6A at the tail. After 3 minute run I checked the current and it was 3.3A.

    2D Mag w/bi-pin kit_____WA1185__________3 IMR 26500 AW cells drained a bit __1080____1 sec
    2D Mag w/bi-pin kit________WA1185______________3 IMR 26500 AW cells_____________1175.4_______30 sec
    2D Mag w/bi-pin kit________WA1185______________3 IMR 26500 AW cells_____________1145.4_______1 min
    2D Mag w/bi-pin kit________WA1185______________3 IMR 26500 AW cells_____________1113.1_______2 min
    2D Mag w/bi-pin kit________WA1185______________3 IMR 26500 AW cells_____________1085.4_______3 min
    2D Mag w/bi-pin kit_____WA1185__________3 IMR 26500 3.6A & topped off cell __1246.2_____ 1 sec
    2D Mag w/bi-pin kit________WA1185___________3 IMR 26500 3.6A & topped off cell______1007.7______30 sec
    2D Mag w/bi-pin kit________WA1185___________3 IMR 26500 3.6A & topped off cell______973.1_______1 min
    2D Mag w/bi-pin kit________WA1185___________3 IMR 26500 3.6A & topped off cell______953.1_______2 min
    2D Mag w/bi-pin kit________WA1185___________3 IMR 26500 3.6A & topped off cell______922.3_______3 min



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    Quote Originally Posted by bigchelis View Post
    I tested 2 different DX P60 MC-E drop-ins. Both are the 3 mode ones and both make 350ish OTF with a IMR 18650.

    But,

    One makes 50ish more lumens with a Javelin and 3 NiMH AA cell vs. the other sample. I labeled them #1 and #2 to show they are completely different drop-ins. I just put cooper tape ( alot) around the drop-in till it fits snug. I dont have L91 cells?

    The DX drop-ins are good up to 4.2V, but topped off AA NiMH are about 1.45V under no load.

    Jose
    I may have used the wrong item number. I was referring to the 1.7 volt Energizer Ultra Lithium AA primaries. I figure I can get almost the voltage from two batteries that you get from 3 ( I forgot you're using more powerful rechargeable batteries than Eneloops). The Javelin is a little long with three batteries. Whatever the output is I'm thrilled with it with my Dereelight XP-G drop in.

    I'll have to get some copper tape if I try an MC-E. I never thought it would be possible to run an MC-E with fewer than 4 AA's.

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    Any chance of getting a Quark MiNi with a 123 and RCR123 in there? From my calculations, it should make 236 OTF with an RCR, handily beating the Rosimen. I'm trying to convince myself to switch from my K-106 to the Quark, but I love the GITD switch and reflector on the K-106, and the memory mode is awesome - I virtually never use anything but high, so the quark's turning on low is a big disadvantage. Plus, I already have several 14500 batteries. The only advantage is that the Quark is slightly smaller, but I'm not sure that's worth the loss of instant high, halved battery life, and an extra $50 for a light + batteries. Even with the short battery life, it has roughly equal output to the K-106. I just can't see myself leaving a $12 light that I never worry about losing. It's perfect in every way.

    Someday when the warm XP-Gs come out, it might convince me to switch over. The warm color of my (soon to be shipped out) DBS\SST-50 had noticeably better CRI then my K-106, and made it look slightly blue in comparison.
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    I don't have the Quarks anymore and I think Craig might have sent them back already too.
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    Default Re: Actual Lumen Readings by bigchelis in 10.5in Sphere.

    It should be noted that the module used in this 3AA javelin host setup....


    Javelin w/ DX MC-E drop-in______ P60 DX MC-E 3 mode #2________ 3 NiMH Tenergy AA cells _____________ 443.1____________1 sec
    Javelin w/ DX MC-E drop-in________ P60 DX MC-E 3 mode #2_________ 3 NiMH Tenergy AA cells ______________ 403.8____________30 sec
    Javelin w/ DX MC-E drop-in________ P60 DX MC-E 3 mode #2_________ 3 NiMH Tenergy AA cells ______________ 371.5____________1 min
    Javelin w/ DX MC-E drop-in________ P60 DX MC-E 3 mode #2_________ 3 NiMH Tenergy AA cells ______________ 357.7____________2 min
    Javelin w/ DX MC-E drop-in________ P60 DX MC-E 3 mode #2_________ 3 NiMH Tenergy AA cells ______________ 344.6____________3 min

    Came from a DX SKU:18857, which specs a M-WC BIN. This SKU # uses a different BIN than the bare MCE module by itself.

    Thanks BC for the clarification.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigchelis View Post
    I don't have the Quarks anymore and I think Craig might have sent them back already too.
    no.. not yet

    up for some testing of some xp-g eagletacs? (still waiting for them to arrive)

    WOW! that's allot added to the thread since I last looked.

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    Default Re: Actual Lumen Readings by bigchelis in 10.5in Sphere.

    Hey BC....
    What did we measure OTF for the ITP-A3-EOS / Duraloop AAA?

    I thought it was ~80 Lumens.
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    Default Re: Actual Lumen Readings by bigchelis in 10.5in Sphere.

    I forgot to post that one...


    ITP A3 EOS_____________________XP-E_________________________ 1 AAA Duraloop NiMH_____________________ 80.0____________1 sec
    ITP A3 EOS_____________________XP-E_________________________ 1 AAA Duraloop NiMH_______________________75.4____________30 sec
    ITP A3 EOS_____________________XP-E_________________________ 1 AAA Duraloop NiMH_______________________73.1____________1 min
    ITP A3 EOS_____________________XP-E_________________________ 1 AAA Duraloop NiMH_______________________70.8____________2 min
    ITP A3 EOS_____________________XP-E_________________________ 1 AAA Duraloop NiMH_______________________70.0____________3 min
    ITP A3 EOS_____________________XP-E________Med Mode_______ 1 AAA Duraloop NiMH_______________________19.2____________1 sec
    ITP A3 EOS_____________________XP-E________Low Mode_______ 1 AAA Duraloop NiMH_______________________1.5_____________1 sec
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    Default Re: Actual Lumen Readings by bigchelis in 10.5in Sphere.

    Hi all,


    I just got on loan from Craig the Xtar TZ-50. It is a fully regulated SST-50 with a 2.5A driver. It doesn't have a UCL lens and if you have one of these expect at least 20 more OTF if you add one.

    Here is the original thread on this light in the market place:
    http://www.cpfmarketplace.com/mp/sho...d.php?t=211427


    Here are my results for that one:
    Name of light__________________LED Type ________________Batteries ________________Lumens __________ Time
    Xstar TZ-50_________________________SST-50 w/2.5A driver____________2 AW 2600mAh 18650 w/1.31A____________ 463.8_________________1 sec
    Xstar TZ-50_________________________SST-50 w/2.5A driver____________2 AW 2600mAh 18650 w/1.31A____________ 384.6_________________30 sec
    Xstar TZ-50_________________________SST-50 w/2.5A driver____________2 AW 2600mAh 18650 w/1.31A____________ 378.5_________________1 min
    Xstar TZ-50_________________________SST-50 w/2.5A driver____________2 AW 2600mAh 18650 w/1.31A____________ 370.8_________________2 min
    Xstar TZ-50_________________________SST-50 w/2.5A driver____________2 AW 2600mAh 18650 w/1.31A____________ 363.1_________________3 min
    Xstar TZ-50_________________________SST-50 w/2.5A driver____________2 AW 2600mAh 18650 w/1.31A____________ 363.1_________________4 min
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    Default Re: Actual Lumen Readings by bigchelis in 10.5in Sphere.

    Quote Originally Posted by csshih View Post
    up for some testing of some xp-g eagletacs? (still waiting for them to arrive)
    +1 on that!
    And one of Anto's R5 drop-ins.

    With this SST-50 w/ 2.8A driver in DBS bezel, turn-on lumens will be the same as a P60 correct?

    I'm sure lumens will not change but lux will. And the greater heatsinking means less loss of output.

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    Default Re: Actual Lumen Readings by bigchelis in 10.5in Sphere.

    Looking forward to the TK40 results. Is it still coming soon (with 8aa, not 6aa, right?)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by was.lost.but.now.found View Post
    Looking forward to the TK40 results. Is it still coming soon (with 8aa, not 6aa, right?)?


    I think it uses 6 AA
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    Default Re: Actual Lumen Readings by bigchelis in 10.5in Sphere.

    Quote Originally Posted by bigchelis View Post
    I think it uses 6 AA
    Are you thinking of the ITP A6 Polestar? The TK40 most definitely uses 8aa, with an option for only 4.

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    Default Re: Actual Lumen Readings by bigchelis in 10.5in Sphere.

    Update.


    I just tested the DEFT FTP. My IS Sphere couldn't fit the bezel with the aspheric lens, so I took the readings without it. This new model was designed to be used that way so its okay.

    Here are the numbers:
    DEFT FTP___________________________R2 w/ No Aspheric_____________ 4 Eneloop Pack______________________ 259.2________________ 1 sec
    DEFT FTP___________________________R2 w/ No Aspheric______________ 4 Eneloop Pack_______________________ 240.0________________ 30 sec
    DEFT FTP___________________________R2 w/ No Aspheric______________ 4 Eneloop Pack_______________________ 235.4________________ 1 min
    DEFT FTP___________________________R2 w/ No Aspheric______________ 4 Eneloop Pack_______________________ 224.6________________ 2 min
    DEFT FTP___________________________R2 w/ No Aspheric______________ 4 Eneloop Pack_______________________ 223.1________________ 3 min
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    Default Re: Actual Lumen Readings by bigchelis in 10.5in Sphere.

    Quote Originally Posted by bigchelis View Post
    EagleTac T20C2________________________XP-G R5___________________1 AW 2600mAh 18650__________________ 318.5________________ 1 sec
    EagleTac T20C2_________________________XP-G R5___________________1 AW 2600mAh 18650___________________287.7________________ 30 sec
    EagleTac T20C2_________________________XP-G R5___________________1 AW 2600mAh 18650___________________283.8________________ 1 min
    EagleTac T20C2_________________________XP-G R5___________________1 AW 2600mAh 18650___________________280.0________________ 2 min
    EagleTac P20C2________________________XP-G R5_____________________2 IMR 16340 ________________________330.0________________ 1 sec
    EagleTac P20C2________________________ XP-G R5_____________________2 IMR 16340 ________________________ 310.8________________ 30 sec
    EagleTac P20C2________________________ XP-G R5_____________________2 IMR 16340 ________________________ 307.7________________ 1 min
    EagleTac P20C2________________________ XP-G R5_____________________2 IMR 16340 ________________________ 303.1________________ 2 min
    EagleTac P20C2________________________ XP-G R5_____________________2 IMR 16340 ________________________ 299.2________________ 3 min
    bigchelis, if you run T20C2 MKII on 2 IMR 16340, will the output be same with P20C2 MKII?

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    If you have the batteries I'd love to see both Eagletacs with IMR 18650 and 2 x IMR 16340 and 2 x Rcr 123

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    The EagleTac P20C2, which I tested with 2 IMR 16340 cells will not fit the 18650 cells at all. It does fit AW 17670 cells, so I will do a runtime with that one.

    The EagleTac T20C2 I tested with a single 18650 I can re-test with 2 CR123 IMR 16340's.

    The great news is I can confirm that all the EagleTacs have some type of UCL lens included. Maybe thats why the lumens are soo great.
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    Default Re: Actual Lumen Readings by bigchelis in 10.5in Sphere.

    nice! make sure to mark the eagletacs as the MK II models

    .. hmm, try the T20C2 with 123s, also?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigchelis View Post
    The EagleTac P20C2, which I tested with 2 IMR 16340 cells will not fit the 18650 cells at all. It does fit AW 17670 cells, so I will do a runtime with that one.

    The EagleTac T20C2 I tested with a single 18650 I can re-test with 2 CR123 IMR 16340's.

    The great news is I can confirm that all the EagleTacs have some type of UCL lens included. Maybe thats why the lumens are soo great.

    I also wondered if there is any output difference between AW 18650 2600 (which you tested in the T20C2) vs AW IMR 18650. I thought the IMR might provide higher output but obviously far less runtime. I'm even curious how it runs on 2 ordinary CR123a primaries. I know it's a lot to ask but if you have the time the results may be illuminating.

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    I took readings on the EagleTac XP-G models with the AW 17670 on the P20C2 and 2 IMR 16340 cells for the T20C2. Not much change at all and the lumens stay about the same.

    Name of light__________________LED Type ________________Batteries ________________Lumens __________ Time
    EagleTac T20C2_________MKII___________XP-G R5___________________1 AW 2600mAh 18650__________________ 318.5________________ 1 sec
    EagleTac T20C2_________________________XP-G R5___________________1 AW 2600mAh 18650___________________287.7________________ 30 sec
    EagleTac T20C2_________________________XP-G R5___________________1 AW 2600mAh 18650___________________283.8________________ 1 min
    EagleTac T20C2_________________________XP-G R5___________________1 AW 2600mAh 18650___________________280.0________________ 2 min
    EagleTac T20C2_________________________XP-G R5___________________1 AW 2600mAh 18650___________________277.7________________ 3 min
    EagleTac T20C2_________MKII___________XP-G R5___________________2 IMR 16340 __________________________ 316.2________________ 1 sec
    EagleTac T20C2_________________________XP-G R5___________________2 IMR 16340___________________________ 286.9________________ 30 sec
    EagleTac T20C2_________________________XP-G R5___________________2 IMR 16340___________________________ 282.3________________ 1 min
    EagleTac T20C2_________________________XP-G R5___________________2 IMR 16340___________________________ 281.5________________ 2 min
    EagleTac T20C2_________________________XP-G R5___________________2 IMR 16340___________________________ 276.2________________ 3 min

    EagleTac P20C2_________MKII___________XP-G R5_____________________2 IMR 16340 ________________________330.0________________ 1 sec
    EagleTac P20C2________________________ XP-G R5_____________________2 IMR 16340 ________________________ 310.8________________ 30 sec
    EagleTac P20C2________________________ XP-G R5_____________________2 IMR 16340 ________________________ 307.7________________ 1 min
    EagleTac P20C2________________________ XP-G R5_____________________2 IMR 16340 ________________________ 303.1________________ 2 min
    EagleTac P20C2________________________ XP-G R5_____________________2 IMR 16340 ________________________ 299.2________________ 3 min
    EagleTac P20C2_________MKII___________XP-G R5________________1 AW 1600mAh 17670 ____________________330.0________________ 1 sec
    EagleTac P20C2________________________ XP-G R5________________ 1 AW 1600mAh 17670 ____________________ 311.5________________ 30 sec
    EagleTac P20C2________________________ XP-G R5________________ 1 AW 1600mAh 17670_____________________ 306.9________________ 1 min
    EagleTac P20C2________________________ XP-G R5________________ 1 AW 1600mAh 17670 ____________________ 302.3________________ 2 min
    EagleTac P20C2________________________ XP-G R5________________ 1 AW 1600mAh 17670 ____________________ 300.0________________ 3 min
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    Default Re: Actual Lumen Readings by bigchelis in 10.5in Sphere.

    wow... thanks bigchelis. looks like this P20C2 is being driven harder than the T20C2. Wonder if EagleTac will chime-in on what's going on here since both is advertised to use the same C1200 III driver.

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    Default Re: Actual Lumen Readings by bigchelis in 10.5in Sphere.

    Quote Originally Posted by rookiedaddy View Post
    wow... thanks bigchelis. looks like this P20C2 is being driven harder than the T20C2. Wonder if EagleTac will chime-in on what's going on here since both is advertised to use the same C1200 III driver.
    Both models should be the same. I'm just guessing - but it might be a variance in quality from Cree.
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    Default Re: Actual Lumen Readings by bigchelis in 10.5in Sphere.

    Yeah, this is a less than 5% variance on a sample base comparison of one model each. I tested two Thrunite drop in modules and one was over 300 and the other around 220 lumens, course the one I "bought" was the lower output one. . So I wouldn't get to excited about this. Test 10 samples of each and then see how the fall out goes for more of a reality check.

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    Default Re: Actual Lumen Readings by bigchelis in 10.5in Sphere.

    Thanks! I appreciate the extra effort. Very surprising info. You may want to edit your P20 data. You posted P20C2 with 18650 but I think you meant 17670 right?

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