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    Ohgeez Yet Another Reason Not to Use Cheap HID Lighting Components

    Courtesy of Club Lexus:



    Member there has a 2006 Lexus IS and finds that the electric power steering on the car jerks wildly when the headlamps activate. Problem is traced to the installation of an aftermarket HID ballast.

    Here's the original post and follow-up.

    Crazy stuff. How probable is it that the ballast is producing enough electromagnetic interference to affect a position sensor within the steering rack? Are Hall effect sensors particularly sensitive to EMI / RFI?

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    Default Re: Yet Another Reason Not to Use Cheap HID Lighting Components

    I cannot wait to see what happens when you mix highly sensitive, highly responsible electronics (drive by wire, brake by wire, regenerative braking in a hybrid, adaptive cruise control, etc.) with "HID kit" garbage like this. Time for the insurance industry to step up and do what they do best: find a new reason to deny coverage. "We're going to inspect your crashed car before we write a check. If we find an HID kit, your coverage is null and void and you don't get squat out of us."

    I love the dufus on ClubLexus thinking he's going to fix his problem with power steering fluid (if he could only just find the reservoir).
    Last edited by -Virgil-; 02-11-2010 at 11:06 PM.

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    Ohgeez Re: Yet Another Reason Not to Use Cheap HID Lighting Components

    0.o

    I've had power steering fail but nothing like this....
    If the steering fluid had ran dry, it would have hindered such oscillations and probably produced a hell of alot of squeaks

    hall effect sensors deal primarily with magnetic fields, so yes if a nearby coil is producing sufficient flux it could have an effect on it, but I don't recall power steering sensors to locate that close to headlamps. I don't own a Lexus so I dunno
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    I don't think I'd like insurance pulling that crap on me... if they start doing that, eff it, I'm just getting custom 100W headlamps. I'd rather glare in the eyes of everybody than get f'd over like that....

    It does post a serious problem, though. Up until now, the worst I'd heard from EMI was poor radio reception. I've never even seen an HID kit in person, all I have are Hella Gen 3's that I bought new, Philips 85122, also bought new, and OEM xenon projectors, gently used. Never had a problem with radio reception or anything else. Gotta love stuff that's properly designed ^_^
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    In general, this makes me like older cars with little or no electronics aboard. BTW, as I sit using the wi-fi at the local library, I just saw an 80 year old pickup drive by. Local guy, drives what he likes. I'm pretty sure a 1929 or 1930 Model A has ZERO electronic problems. And it can be maintained at home with basic tools and will go almost anywhere.

    We once experienced the governor on a hydroelectric generator going nuts, turbine gate position acting like it had St. Vitus' Dance. Wiring to "run light" atop the unit ran parallel to wires from speed sensors on the machine; when the run light's MV bulb got loose in the socket and arced, the "noise" in the speed sensor wiring gave the governor crazy input.

    BTW, how come when a wheel sensor for the ABS goes bad on my Suburban, Mr. ExpensiveWrench has to replace the entire hub, but when the same sort of sensor atop a 100 million dollar hydro generator goes bad, we just replace the sensor???

    If a rotten/cheapo HID ballast can make drive-by-wire power steering go nuts, and Toyota is recalling a zillion cars because their drive-by-wire gas pedals have problems, I'm thinking I do NOT need any drive-by-wire in my vehicles.
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    Default Re: Yet Another Reason Not to Use Cheap HID Lighting Components

    yeah, I don't see what was wrong with drive-by-thin-metal-cable. Reliable, easy to troubleshoot, and cheap. Maxima guys with the newer DBW throttle bodies have all these issues where if they try to clean them, it screws up the alignment of the throttle plate big time. I can take mine off the car, open it, and spray some TB cleaner to remove the junk and not have to worry about it breaking it.

    I'm also glad I don't have to deal with bulb-out indicators and crap like that.

    And my automotive lighting? There are 14 exterior lights on my car. I can remove all 14 in about a half hour without having to drop the bumper or remove any body panels besides popping open the trunk and the hood.

    My dad's 05 Mazda6, we couldn't even replace the front corner bulb in. There's just no solid access to it without dropping the front bumper and the grille and then trying to get the headlights off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bshanahan14rulz View Post
    I don't think I'd like insurance pulling that crap on me... if they start doing that, eff it, I'm just getting custom 100W headlamps. I'd rather glare in the eyes of everybody than get f'd over like that....
    I don't see how it's "crap". If you ruin the safety performance of your car's lights, and that is a contributing factor to the crash, then the insurance shouldn't pay. It's already that way in many places in Europe.

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