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    Last edited by pepko; 04-26-2010 at 01:19 PM.
    Endurer 4x18650 4xCree MCE M-bin WH 3000+ lumen, Police Maglite 2D SSR-90 with KD 52mm aspheric and 10A current with LDO10C driver and Red Maglite 5D@Luminus CBM-360 4500K neutral white 5000 lumen aspheric

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    battery setup: 4x kaidomain protected D 32650
    http://i805.photobucket.com/albums/y...0/DSC_9267.jpg


    http://i805.photobucket.com/albums/y...0/DSC_9264.jpg


    beamshots from my window ... camera settings F4.0, ISO400, 1s, WB sun ...

    control shot
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    romisen rc-t5 4x XP-G R5 mod
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    endurer 4x MC-E M WH
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    police maglite 2D sst-90 LDO10C driver 8A + fivemega deep reflector 16mm
    http://i805.photobucket.com/albums/y...0/DSC_9277.jpg


    red maglite 5D cbm-360 4500k + KD 52mm aspheric wide
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    red maglite 5D cbm-360 4500k + KD 52mm aspheric medium
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    red maglite 5D cbm-360 4500k + KD 52mm aspheric medium spot
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    red maglite 5D cbm-360 4500k + KD 52mm aspheric spot
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    Last edited by pepko; 04-26-2010 at 01:18 PM.
    Endurer 4x18650 4xCree MCE M-bin WH 3000+ lumen, Police Maglite 2D SSR-90 with KD 52mm aspheric and 10A current with LDO10C driver and Red Maglite 5D@Luminus CBM-360 4500K neutral white 5000 lumen aspheric

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    That's a mammoth heatsink. And an aspherical- this is gonna be good.....
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    Default Re: Red Maglite 5D@Luminus CBM-360 4500K neutral white 5000 lumen aspheric

    WOW!

    A 5000Lumen Led?! Never known this before...

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    Hello pepko-this is it ...

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    Default Re: Red Maglite 5D@Luminus CBM-360 4500K neutral white 5000 lumen aspheric

    Ty brdo! Now that's a clean mod, looks awesome! This is the flashlight I needed when I met wolves in a Slovak forest at night
    Yeehaw!

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    Hello Pepko, well done!

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    Great mod! Just wondering, did you buy the Maglite itself online or in a store? I've never seen a 5D in stores.

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    Oh.... Thought I was gonna be the first with a -360 light. (My CSM-360 is supposed to arrive today, the host is waiting, going heatsink shopping over the next day or so...)

    But kudos to you, Pepko! Can't wait for beamshots.

    Questions:
    • Why the CBM-360 vs. CSM-360? (The beam profile plots looked identical to me...)
    • What driver/battery setup you using? (5D suggests 4xIMR26650, maybe?)
    • What current/power you plan to run?
    • How do you plan to turn it off when the heatsink is heating the area around the switch so hot you can't hold on to it?


    I was a little unsure how useful an aspheric (or indeed, anything that fits in a Mag head) will be with this size of LED, which (along with sleeper factor and ease of cooling) influenced my choice to build it in a 6V lantern. Can't wait for beamshots to see how yours works out...

    Oh, and did I mention beamshots...

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    Another great flashlight mod, pepko!,
    The light output is sweet.

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    thanks for your comments ...

    i added beamshots in second post ... spot is useless, but the flood is very powerful ...

    current is only 5.8A ... so it's about 78W ...

    i would like to reach 100W, but I have to try on another battery setup ...

    for example, 5x 25500 C LiIon from DX ... or 5x IMR 25500 ...

    i need higher voltage from battery ...
    Endurer 4x18650 4xCree MCE M-bin WH 3000+ lumen, Police Maglite 2D SSR-90 with KD 52mm aspheric and 10A current with LDO10C driver and Red Maglite 5D@Luminus CBM-360 4500K neutral white 5000 lumen aspheric

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    Wow! I am speechless. I think we need beamshots from a longer distance.

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    Awesome.

    Two things:

    First: Where exactly one can get a neutral 360?
    Second: even with only 80W the heatsink is not enough. After a few minutes it will be warm and only the surface of the tube can emit heat to the air.
    I wonder if longitutinal airflow using a small fan would work in a maglight host. One would lose the waterproofing, but you could suck in air from the back, past the batteries and right through the copper slug...

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    Quote Originally Posted by pepko View Post
    thanks for your comments ...

    i added beamshots in second post ... spot is useless, but the flood is very powerful ...
    "Very powerful" doesn't begin to describe it.

    current is only 5.8A ... so it's about 78W ...

    i would like to reach 100W, but I have to try on another battery setup ...

    for example, 5x 25500 C LiIon from DX ... or 5x IMR 25500 ...

    i need higher voltage from battery ...
    Is this direct-drive, then? I'd think the lower resistance from IMR26650s might be the ticket... 5ximr26500 (AFAIK there are no IMR25500) scares me, but maybe it'll take it.

    And how hot does the heatsink get when it's running? At 0.9 K/W, I'd guess you need to keep the face of the heatsink below 65 C for 100W; at least that's what I've been figuring...

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    Good work

    Is it bright enough or still looking for something more powerful?

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    I use CBM-360 instead of CSM-360 because it is smaller and it has no lens. I read a lot of negative comments about damage lens on luminus phlatlight sst-90 or sst-50.

    But CBM has lower light output as CSM in datasheet. I don't know why ...

    I bought my CBM-360 through local (czech) distributor EBV.

    Maglite 5D was bought on Ebay.

    My cooper heatsink is good. It should be bigger, after few minutes the body is really hot. But I have low mode with 4ohm resistor and about 900mA current draw.

    Light output on high mode is really great, but nothing is good enough for me, so still looking for something more powerful ... although my wife would kill me for this ...
    Last edited by pepko; 02-23-2010 at 05:59 AM.
    Endurer 4x18650 4xCree MCE M-bin WH 3000+ lumen, Police Maglite 2D SSR-90 with KD 52mm aspheric and 10A current with LDO10C driver and Red Maglite 5D@Luminus CBM-360 4500K neutral white 5000 lumen aspheric

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    Insane.

    Well done & thanks for the beam shots.
    Tri-P4 Mag, L4, QIII, ROP, UF502B-Q5

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    Love that floody beamshot, nice tint too

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    Quote Originally Posted by pepko View Post
    Light output on high mode is really great, but nothing is good enough for me, so still looking for something more powerful ... although my wife would kill me for this ...
    What a great project. On the second point - sounds familiar.
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    I know you prob have seen posts here that have seen people lathe the Mag head so its finned.

    But also I have considered cutting into the body of the mag light below the head and into the heatsink to give additional finned ability to radiate away heat.

    Viable option when doing a self mod using a copper/Aluminium slug for the heatsink having as much surface area as possible to get that heat away and also keep any excess from the batteries and obviously your hand lol.

    I have a SSR90 mag build in progress but my lathe has gone on the blink but hopefully will lead into other builds if the heat is low enough at the front end on the 360 led might be an option there for a filter disk after the LED and before the KD AS lens to blur out the 4 dies into a nicer round spot without impacting too much on light output.

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    Endurer 4x18650 4xCree MCE M-bin WH 3000+ lumen, Police Maglite 2D SSR-90 with KD 52mm aspheric and 10A current with LDO10C driver and Red Maglite 5D@Luminus CBM-360 4500K neutral white 5000 lumen aspheric

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    alsome light , can you make it smaller?
    found a cool light here new power virable!! controlerhttp://flashlightnews.net/forum/index.php?topic=2563.0
    can any one find controler.

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    hi,

    clean nice build! if you wan to regulate the brightness then you can use this pwm controller:

    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...5&postcount=20

    if you use a big logic fet, then you can controll up to 100 Amps without any problem

    markus

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    Default Re: Red Maglite 5D@Luminus CBM-360 4500K neutral white 5000 lumen aspheric

    THIS IS AWESOME



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    Quote Originally Posted by mash.m View Post
    hi,

    clean nice build! if you wan to regulate the brightness then you can use this pwm controller:

    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...5&postcount=20

    if you use a big logic fet, then you can controll up to 100 Amps without any problem

    markus

    in this case, resistor is better then pwm controller ...
    Endurer 4x18650 4xCree MCE M-bin WH 3000+ lumen, Police Maglite 2D SSR-90 with KD 52mm aspheric and 10A current with LDO10C driver and Red Maglite 5D@Luminus CBM-360 4500K neutral white 5000 lumen aspheric

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    Awesome!

    I was holding one of them in my hands on a lighting fair and its amazing how heavy these babys are. Its a pretty good feeling

    I am looking into the CST/CBT-90 though...

    But CBM has lower light output as CSM in datasheet. I don't know why ...
    Without the primary optics (dome) the extraction efficiency is lower. That means less photons are leaving the die of the LED. They are reflected back into the material and dissipated as heat.

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    I was wondering if it would be possible to do a 8x 18650 build.
    If so, does it need to be IMR or ICR? What would be the difference?

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    Wow..... is that really 5K lumens? How much would a custom light like this cost? I'd like one in black please haha

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    Quote Originally Posted by pepko View Post
    in this case, resistor is better then pwm controller ...
    Why do you think so?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pepko View Post
    But CBM has lower light output as CSM in datasheet. I don't know why ...
    It's not just the CSM-360 that's brighter than the CBM-360. In the Osram Ostar series, the dome-less 'LE W E3A' has an efficiency of 36 lm/W at 350 mA while the 'LE W E3B' is 50 lm/W at 350 mA (Osram pdf doc's). In JTR1962's White LED lumen testing thread, 3rd_shift gave him a pair of P2 binned Cree XR-E's to test. The dome-less emitter only had 54.35 lumens at 350 mA, vs 70.67 lumens at 350 mA for the normal one. They weren't the same LED, so as a test it's not 100% conclusive. But considering the P2's luminosity range is 67.2 to 73.9 lumens @ 350 mA, this dome-less P2 tested as an N2 binned LED. It's reasonable to infer that dropping 3 bins in output might have something to do with the dome's absence.

    As sector_cleared mentioned, it has something to do with dome reflection. I have an unconfirmed theory, and it is just a guess, the royal blue spectral peak is being reflected off the inside of the dome and causes a secondary fluorescence of the phosphor. Since this secondary fluorescence has no royal blue peak, removing the dome also causes a color shift. The dome-less emitters that are manufactured that way must have a different phosphor to appear the same color. In an actual light, the emitter having no dome is offset by the fact that being smaller or minus the dome's magnifying effect, might actually give the light a higher lux reading, dependent of course on the optics. But there is still less actual light coming out of the flashlight.


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