HDS Systems
Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 30 of 43

Thread: How to get the most out of CPF

  1. #1
    *Flashaholic* carrot's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Location
    New York City
    Posts
    8,962

    Default How to get the most out of CPF

    I notice that a lot of people seem to struggle with getting accustomed to the forums here and getting the answers they need. I thought I could share a few tips on how to get the most satisfying answers out of CPF. I'd be delighted if others had pearls of wisdom to chime in with as well.


    First, the obvious:
    - Read the rules! - CPF moderators have a tough job keeping this place great and the rules are there for a reason.

    - Post in the right forum! - CPF is divided into subforums, and each subforum is dedicated to a specific topic. Posting in the right forum ensures your target audience can answer your questions. Pick one, don't post the same question all over the boards.

    - Express yourself! - Poor grammar, spelling, and internet speak are not appreciated here. We'll understand if English isn't your first language, but if it is, we expect you to write in a coherent and grammatically correct manner. Just think, what would your English teacher say? Also, be certain to appropriately use line breaks or paragraphs.

    - Learn to search! - CPF has a real wealth of information and it is all searchable through the forum search and Google search provided at the top of each page. (thanks sigsour)


    Secondly, the less obvious:
    - Use a descriptive thread title - You don't need a catchphrase or a leading question, or worse a completely ambiguous title such as "Somebody help me please," "Newbie question here," or "Looking for a flashlight" -- instead, focus on the basics, and summarize in a short phrase what you are looking for. This helps you to target people who know what they are talking about. Good examples might be: "Small CR123A-based light, under $100?," "Please explain different LED types to me," "Need a serious headlamp for caving," or "Aspherics $200 and less."
    -- Also, in your post, try to make the first line as descriptive as possible. (thanks Kestrel)

    - Explain your needs - Too many people come to CPF thinking they know what they want and they just give a laundry list of specs. Sometimes you really do know what you want. Sometimes you don't. But in either case, explain what you plan to use your light for, such as: "I need a flashlight for backpacking in Peru; I'll use it on trails at night and sometimes in bed for reading" -- then we'll know to steer you clear of barnburners and recommend practical lights that have good runtime and several output levels. There are many experienced people here who DO go out and use their lights whether for work or leisure, and they know what works and what doesn't.


    Thirdly, the positively obscure:
    - Never ask for the best - If you ask "What's the best" without specifying a budget or a classification, you will get recommendations for lights that cost hundreds or thousands of dollars. It never ceases to fail. The OP gets mad, starts lashing out at posters, posters respond in kind, the thread gets closed and people get banned. Not a happy thing. It's better to ask, "What can I get for $100, I need the best throw I can get."

    - Don't ask about Surefire versus another brand - It will inevitably start a flame war.


    For posters/thread replies:
    - Qualify yourself and your recommendation - If you recommend something, explain how your experience with it makes it worth the OP's time and money. I know this is hard to do over and over, but the OP will stand to gain so much more from it.

    - Outlandish answers aren't useful - If an OP asks for a $100 light, do not recommend a $1000 light, unless it really does fit all his criteria. It's only funny once or twice.
    Last edited by carrot; 02-26-2010 at 10:11 AM.
    [gearcarrot.com] Collector and distributor of (mis)information.
    The Guide to High-End Lights | Flashlight Story Collection updated Sept 28
    CPF Specials | 4sevens | LED Testing | EDCF | #cpf

  2. #2
    Flashaholic* get-lit's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    Amherst, NY
    Posts
    1,155

    Default Re: How to get the most out of CPF

    ..don't post something unless you really think others will want to read it. ++Be as precise with thread titles as possible.
    I like big bulbs and I can not lie, you other brothers can't deny!

  3. #3
    *Flashaholic* carrot's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Location
    New York City
    Posts
    8,962

    Default Re: How to get the most out of CPF

    Quote Originally Posted by get-lit View Post
    ..don't post something unless you really think others will want to read it.
    Thanks. I'll keep that in mind.
    [gearcarrot.com] Collector and distributor of (mis)information.
    The Guide to High-End Lights | Flashlight Story Collection updated Sept 28
    CPF Specials | 4sevens | LED Testing | EDCF | #cpf

  4. #4
    Flashaholic* Databyter's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    San Diego
    Posts
    523

    Default Re: How to get the most out of CPF

    Good thoughts, nice writeup, but it will get lost down in the back pages soon.

    This post would be very useful for alot of folks, but unless it's made into a sticky it just wasted your time somewhat.

    Of course there is always timely bumps when you see alot of the mistakes you mentioned happening.

    Maybe this is the intent here.

    Cheers!
    Databyter (Mike)
    databyter@cox.net

  5. #5
    Moderator Kestrel's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    Willamette Valley, OR
    Posts
    4,799

    Default Re: How to get the most out of CPF

    Quote Originally Posted by carrot View Post
    Use a descriptive thread title - You don't need a catchphrase or a leading question, or worse a completely ambiguous title such as "Somebody help me please," "Newbie question here," or "Looking for a flashlight" -- instead, focus on the basics, and summarize in a short phrase what you are looking for.
    Adding to this, it is very helpful to use the first sentences or two of your initial post to provide a concise summary. This way, we can use the 'hover-text' feature from the subforum thread listing to get additional information about the thread without necessarily having to open it.

    Hypothetical example:
    Thread title: SureFire beam question

    Viewable via mouse-over 'hover-text' of two potential thread beginnings:
    "I know this has probably come up before, but when I was walking outside the other night, I started thinking about ... "
    (and that's it - that's all that might be displayed)
    or:
    "How different is the beam profile of the new LX2 compared to the floodier L2 beam? Has anybody used both models ..."
    Being one who has drank deep of the SureFire Kool-Aid, I often jump into 'easy' SureFire question threads if I think I can be of help. Which of the two above examples lets me know that I can be of assistance? I may not 'enter' the first thread, but you can bet your last Z41 tailcap that I will open the second example and post, because in this case I know I will be able to contribute towards answering the OP's question.

    A similar recent example, someone posted a WTS thread in CPF/M with a thread title which didn't identify what items were being sold at all. Worse, when I placed my mouse pointer over the title, two sentences of boiler plate language came up (Paypal, CONUS, etc etc), with no additional information as to what items were actually for sale. I'm not going to spend my time opening a WTS thread that I can't even use the 'hover-text' for to find out anything about it.


    Edit: and I'm surprised that this needs to be said, but please read the previous posts in the thread before posting a reply - quite often there is comparable information earlier in the thread.
    Last edited by Kestrel; 02-24-2010 at 06:20 PM.
    In the past we have had a light which flickered, in the present we have a light which flames, and in the future there will be a light which shines over all the land and sea.
    - Winston Churchill

  6. #6

    Default Re: How to get the most out of CPF

    Sticky!!!!!

  7. #7
    Flashaholic sigsour's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Location
    Franklinton, NC
    Posts
    179

    Default Re: How to get the most out of CPF

    Get familiar with the search function and use it. Lots of info has been asked many times over.

  8. #8
    Flashaholic* saabgoblin's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Far side of crazy.
    Posts
    725

    Default Re: How to get the most out of CPF

    Quote Originally Posted by Databyter View Post
    Good thoughts, nice writeup, but it will get lost down in the back pages soon.

    This post would be very useful for alot of folks, but unless it's made into a sticky it just wasted your time somewhat.

    Of course there is always timely bumps when you see alot of the mistakes you mentioned happening.

    Maybe this is the intent here.

    Cheers!
    While the thread may eventually get lost, I have found that many of Carrot's posts have fueled some good food for thought and if that hits a few others, then I would say that the post is successful and hopefully it helps keep some traffic down for the Moderators.
    "Screws fall out all the time, the world is an imperfect place". John Bender, The Breakfast Club

  9. #9
    Flashaholic* scout24's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    NY, Penn's Woods
    Posts
    3,046

    Default Re: How to get the most out of CPF

    This, and several others, could perhaps be made into required reading as part of the registration process... I wonder if that is possible? Excellent points, Carrot. Thank you for putting them out there in your usual constructive, thoughtful style.

  10. #10
    Flashaholic* jimmy1970's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Location
    Brisbane, Australia
    Posts
    957

    Default Re: How to get the most out of CPF

    Yeh, speling is verry impertantt to mee to!!

    Thankz four tthe advisse

    James.....
    removed

  11. #11
    Flashaholic* bansuri's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    Columbia, Illinois
    Posts
    855

    Default Re: How to get the most out of CPF

    Quote Originally Posted by Kestrel View Post
    Adding to this, it is very helpful to use the first sentences or two of your initial post to provide a concise summary. This way, we can use the 'hover-text' feature from the subforum thread listing to get additional information about the thread without necessarily having to open it.
    Fantastic addition to a fantastic thread! The hover-over is either super-helpful or useless if the post starts with apologies or caveats.

    Also, I wonder if people just feel that the thread title should be short or just a single line?

  12. #12
    Flashaholic*
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Location
    Galicia, Spain
    Posts
    774

    Default Re: How to get the most out of CPF

    Quote Originally Posted by Kestrel View Post

    Edit: and I'm surprised that this needs to be said, but please read the previous posts in the thread before posting a reply - quite often there is comparable information earlier in the thread.
    +1

  13. #13

    Default Re: How to get the most out of CPF

    Quote Originally Posted by sigsour View Post
    Get familiar with the search function and use it. Lots of info has been asked many times over.

    After finding this place I joined because of questions I had, but found every one of them in Search. This forum has a very good search function if you use it......

  14. #14
    Flashaholic* get-lit's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    Amherst, NY
    Posts
    1,155

    Default Re: How to get the most out of CPF

    For thorough well-tought posts, you may want to type your response into Notepad or whatever text editor you prefer, spell check it, and then paste it and submit it when you are done composing it. That way, if there is some connection problem during the post, all is not lost. You can go back and paste it again.
    I like big bulbs and I can not lie, you other brothers can't deny!

  15. #15
    Flashaholic*
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Sydney, Australia
    Posts
    1,064

    Default Re: How to get the most out of CPF

    Good advice here for newcomers, and a refresher for some others.

    Out of curiosity, why was this moved from General Flashlight Discussion to here? It's been my observation that this area isn't frequented so much by those who'd benefit from the above advice.
    Finning does help dissipate heat. This is why the fins are removed before cooking fish. Otherwise it will throw off the heat and not reach the proper cooking temperature. --Duglite

  16. #16

    Default Re: How to get the most out of CPF

    Quote Originally Posted by Th232 View Post
    .....why was this moved from General Flashlight Discussion to here?
    It wasn't about flashlights.

  17. #17
    Flashaholic* kaichu dento's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Location
    大和/Alyeska
    Posts
    4,930

    Default Re: How to get the most out of CPF

    Carrot this is great! Could you add a section II in the first post about how responses can help the OP and not hinder their search.

    A couple of extremely bad examples here are shown when it's obvious that even though a thread might be opened with a clear request only to have posters respond with their own personal preferences or to call the OP ignorant for wanting what he has asked for.

    A classic example would be someone asking for a nice small one cell light for under $100, only to have posts suggesting they need an LS27, Stinger or 007 because they are the lights that will serve best.

    Hope this becomes a sticky.
    Marduke - Solitaire...I've seen matches which are brighter AND have a longer runtime. 光陰矢の如し

  18. #18
    Unenlightened
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Posts
    1

    Default Re: How to get the most out of CPF

    i cant get rid of errors like.

    cordlessmart, you do not have permission to access this page. This could be due to one of several reasons:

    1. Your user account may not have sufficient privileges to access this page. Are you trying to edit someone else's post, access administrative features or some other privileged system?
    2. If you are trying to post, the administrator may have disabled your account, or it may be awaiting activation.

  19. #19

  20. #20
    Flashaholic jag-engr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Location
    Arkansas, USA, Earth
    Posts
    267

    Default Re: How to get the most out of CPF

    i dont no if this is the right place to post this but i want the best ever 500+ lumen light that is very small takes one normal AA battery costs less than $15 and has at least a 5yr warranty which light should i get

    ...Just kidding!

    Carrot,

    This is a great thread. Maybe the mods can make it required reading before someone is allowed to post, though I don't know how that would be implemented.

    I'm going to link it in my sig line. Please let me know if you have any objection to this.

    JAG

  21. #21
    *Flashaholic* carrot's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Location
    New York City
    Posts
    8,962

    Default Re: How to get the most out of CPF

    Hi JAG,
    Please go right ahead!

    Cheers,
    carrot
    [gearcarrot.com] Collector and distributor of (mis)information.
    The Guide to High-End Lights | Flashlight Story Collection updated Sept 28
    CPF Specials | 4sevens | LED Testing | EDCF | #cpf

  22. #22
    Flashaholic* kaichu dento's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Location
    大和/Alyeska
    Posts
    4,930

    Default Re: How to get the most out of CPF

    Quote Originally Posted by jag-engr View Post
    This is a great thread. Maybe the mods can make it required reading before someone is allowed to post, though I don't know how that would be implemented.
    It would be cool if they had to view the first post for a minimum of 60 seconds, then check a box that they'd read it before being allowed to post.
    Marduke - Solitaire...I've seen matches which are brighter AND have a longer runtime. 光陰矢の如し

  23. #23
    Flashaholic*
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    In the northernmost Sweden
    Posts
    2,502

    Default Re: How to get the most out of CPF

    Quote Originally Posted by jag-engr View Post
    i dont no if this is the right place to post this but i want the best ever 500+ lumen light that is very small takes one normal AA battery costs less than $15 and has at least a 5yr warranty which light should i get

    ...Just kidding!

    JAG
    Thanks for giving me a good laugh, that was really funny! Humour enriching a great forum!

    Best regards, Patric

  24. #24
    Moderator Kestrel's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    Willamette Valley, OR
    Posts
    4,799

    Default Re: How to get the most out of CPF

    Here are a few things that I've come across recently:
    • If the beginning of your post starts with something like "Maybe I'm missing something here, but ...", you probably are. I would suggest searching and reading more before posting your topic.
    • Use the 'Preview Post' button. If your post looks bad, silly, or offensive while you're reading it in the "Preview" window, it is.
    • And if you're in an argument and have to post your resume in order to back up your point, you've already lost.
    Last edited by Kestrel; 08-29-2010 at 02:24 PM.
    In the past we have had a light which flickered, in the present we have a light which flames, and in the future there will be a light which shines over all the land and sea.
    - Winston Churchill

  25. #25
    Flashaholic* kaichu dento's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Location
    大和/Alyeska
    Posts
    4,930

    Default Re: How to get the most out of CPF

    Quote Originally Posted by Kestrel View Post
    Here are a few things that I've come across recently:
    • If the beginning of your post starts with something like "Maybe I'm missing something here, but ...", you probably are. I would suggest searching and reading more before posting your topic.
    • Use the 'Preview Post' button. If your post looks bad, silly, or offensive while you're reading it in the "Preview" window, it is.
    • And if you're in an argument and have to post your resume in order to back up your point, you've already lost.
    Very excellent points and I might add, if you find any misspellings or other typos in your posts, even if it's months later, edit the post and fix them. Always proofread your written content.
    Marduke - Solitaire...I've seen matches which are brighter AND have a longer runtime. 光陰矢の如し

  26. #26
    Flashaholic Acid87's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Location
    Glasgow Scotland
    Posts
    490

    Default

    I think the most important thing is to treat others how you would want to be treated. I don't know if I've had my blinkers on in the past but recently it seems there's a lot of silly arguments.

    Spread lumens not hate!

  27. #27
    Flashaholic* kaichu dento's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Location
    大和/Alyeska
    Posts
    4,930

    Default Re: How to get the most out of CPF

    Quote Originally Posted by Acid87 View Post
    I think the most important thing is to treat others how you would want to be treated. I don't know if I've had my blinkers on in the past but recently it seems there's a lot of silly arguments.

    Spread lumens not hate!
    There was nothing negative here for you to post about - my previous post certainly shows no hatred, and moreover, was posted last August.

    Part of how I treat others as I wish to be treated is to try and write in a clearly understandable fashion, with as few misspellings as possible and without any undue needling. Having your blinkers on is a mistake - realizing they're on and not doing anything about it is careless at best.
    Marduke - Solitaire...I've seen matches which are brighter AND have a longer runtime. 光陰矢の如し

  28. #28
    *Flashaholic* carrot's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Location
    New York City
    Posts
    8,962

    Default Re: How to get the most out of CPF

    Quote Originally Posted by kaichu dento View Post
    There was nothing negative here for you to post about - my previous post certainly shows no hatred, and moreover, was posted last August.

    Part of how I treat others as I wish to be treated is to try and write in a clearly understandable fashion, with as few misspellings as possible and without any undue needling. Having your blinkers on is a mistake - realizing they're on and not doing anything about it is careless at best.
    KD, I don't think Acid87 is targeting you...
    [gearcarrot.com] Collector and distributor of (mis)information.
    The Guide to High-End Lights | Flashlight Story Collection updated Sept 28
    CPF Specials | 4sevens | LED Testing | EDCF | #cpf

  29. #29
    Flashaholic* mvyrmnd's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Location
    Victoria, Australia
    Posts
    3,225

    Default

    He was targeting me, and I'm OK with that

  30. #30
    Flashaholic* kaichu dento's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Location
    大和/Alyeska
    Posts
    4,930

    Default Re: How to get the most out of CPF

    Quote Originally Posted by carrot View Post
    KD, I don't think Acid87 is targeting you...
    Oh, okay!
    Marduke - Solitaire...I've seen matches which are brighter AND have a longer runtime. 光陰矢の如し

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •