eek! wow, this thread has gone much messier beyond the arc mania scandal...
Well done proline, you probably have slightly more chance of getting your Ti SFs now.
In layman's terms, "theory" means an idea. However "scientific theory" is fact because it requires proof.
I think what's most important here is that the honest people who are currently waiting on product from Arc Mania get what they've paid for. I wish you all the best of luck, and hopefully this particular situation doesn't cause him to 'take the money and run' as his last effort to profit from CPF members.
MJ, I know you're reading this -- just do the right and honest thing from here on out and be honest and don't take anyone's money. You will at least be respected for that.
Donn_, care to open a new thread for that light of yours? its beautiful but it doesn't belong here
After reading Dat2Zip's post I was like but now some ten posts later do feel that we are some ways possessing a mobster mentality
The intention of leaving this open for victims to vent is noble in its own, but at this rate the ice is becoming dangerously thin
Arc Mania, if you have anything to say it please do so now...the Jury is tired and wants an arnold palmer
Now we see members conjecturing Mike will not deliver on his prepay threads. He's done some pretty dicey things recently, and has been late on most of his prepays, but I don't recall him ever failing to deliver.
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Nobody ever really knows the man behind the curtain, Great catch DM51
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rather than in a cloud of stink and unfilfilled pre-paid orders! Donn is right when he questions if he has ever failed to actually deliver a version of the product once paid for...
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As previously mentioned, let's not start speculating about his current pre-orders.....That is not what this thread is about, nor has that been a matter of question in the past.
Ignoring the drama...
Its an ugly light with a poor efficiency emitter and probably a dumb cycle-through-all modes UI too. And no beam shots. And its expensive. And construction quality is dubious. You're paying for the resellers name and the somewhat exotic emitter.
"The spec sheet say “only” 700 lumens minimum... ...So I check output, test the battery, and make sure that out of the box it is going to work. I have had to send some back but they just did not meet my standards."
At 400$ why would anyone buy this over the 90$ magicshine?
My conjecture is based on the fact that he is essentially being chased out of CPF as we speak, receiving an unprecedented level of criticism, and I'm concerned that he may just decide to throw his middle finger in the air and disappear after being bashed this hard. For the sake of those with money involved, I hope he doesn't.
Donn- If that does fit an 18650, and that was a WTS, Watcha runnin' in there for driver/ emitter? Very pretty camo... Got one plain? I personally have had no dealings with ArcMania, but this saddens me, not only from the standpoint that there may have been dishonesty afoot, but I hate seeing all of the bickering going on. As a group, we're better than this. On second thought, I'd actually prefer 17670's Donn. I've got more of them on hand at the moment. Let me know! Pineapple = Good...
Blimey, this is better than an episode of enders
BTW, nice pineapple Donn
It's not for sale, scout24. I'm diligently building a collection of this camo pattern. The Pineapple Aleph 3 is number 6 in that collection.
The light engine, right now, is a direct drive SST-50.
This is some crazy stuff, at least we have some people to stand up for everyone. Thanks Greta & DM51
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WOW, WOW, AND WOW
This has been an interesting thread to say the least. People have made some good points, people have bashed each other, and I am sure feelings have been trodden on.
One thing I try to look for is facts. It has been stated that the product might be a legite light. That could be possible, except for me, the fact that the beam shots came from the other site. I put that fact pretty high on the list. I know some might argue that those were taken from the CPF salesthread, but that would have been challenging to do so, so quickly IMO.
My two cents.
"A FANATIC is someone who has lost site of the goal, but doubled there efforts to get their." -- unknown
I skimmed this thread....
Can someone in three sentences tell me whats going on?
Wow - 5 pages in less than a day! Even if this thread is left as a sticky I think it's time to CLOSE this thread for further comment.
Arc has already been completely martyred over this and his reputation is ruined.
I'm just glad I never pulled the trigger on any of his lights now that I see the truth, but the truth was already stated back on page 1 and it just doesn't seem appropriate that we now have CPF members bashing CPF members back and forth over inconsequential comments.
This is really strange to gauge.
While ArcMania seemed to be quite a rip-off, he did not cheat anybody, nor was it a scam.
People got the lights, just like they were descriped, right? Or am i missing something?
(well, except that their lights arent as "special" as they thought...)
The overcharge would be just a stupid people tax. I mean, whole threads with lots of people spending $100s each without anybody ever trying to google around a bit? For first moment I saw the light in that screenshop in the link from page 1 it did not look at all like anything done outside a factory line, which would make the whole post seem unbelievable.
I started to read through the whole lot, it was all quite interesting, and I laughed my ass off about the 18650 pineaple... couldn't read much more with a straight face.....I was going to answer but then saw it was all sorted....
Luckily for me I never liked the Arcmania products that were sold or the pricetag to go with any of it......
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Oh and it's possible that some of his previous lights may have been the same case.
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Additionally, is it fair to all of the other dealers who actually follow the rules of the forums and pay their advertising fees and post at the MarketPlace where they belong? It seems that MJ has been getting a free pass for a couple of years now by getting just about exclusive dealer-advertising rights here at CPF simply by claiming that he has somehow "modified" a stock light and jacking up the price.
There have been accusations in the past that MJ has been falsly claiming to have "modified" lights and calling them "Special". It wasn't up to me to prove or disprove that, as I was told by many... And really... all DM51 did in this thread was post a link and ask a question. Everyone else put it all together... so really? You guys totally
Where is this guy from anyway? I was under the impression that "land of the rising sun" was Japan and therefore his custom lights at least were made in Japan. Is this more BS?