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    Default Impulse buy, bought a Surefire E1B backup

    Well, I was looking for a small EDC type light to compliment the A2 aviator I recieved last week. I was considering getting a surefire E2E cause of it's size and the fact I love incan's. After doing some thinking I just said screw it, picked up the phone, and ordered a surefire E1B backup. It's a light I had been eyeballin for quite some time but never really gave much thought on droppin the cash for it. Well long story short I had some extra cash to spend and I went ahead and went for it. One of the deciding factors for me was finding out (see this thread http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/....php?p=3466488) that the "new" 110 lumen E1B is actually the same as the old "80 lumen" version, after being afraid for a long time that if I ordered one I might recieve the "older model". The first time I called surefire the guy, who, no offense to him, seemed like he didn't even know what a flashlight was, told me that the new one was actually updated for a higher output. I didn't give him much credibility based on the short conservation I had with him. I made my bank deposit, called back and the woman who I spoke to assured me that I would be getting the newest latest updated version when I ordered. ?, I thought they were all the same Anyway, all I can do is wait now for it to arrive so I can put it through it's paces. So just wanted to let you guys know I'm soon to join the "backup club", I'll post back with my intial thoughts and impressions when it arrives. Thanks
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    Default Re: Impulse buy, bought a Surefire E1B backup

    Wow, I guess this light really is old news
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    Default Re: Impulse buy, bought a Surefire E1B backup

    Congrats on the purchase. You definitely could do a lot worse than a E1B

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    Default Re: Impulse buy, bought a Surefire E1B backup

    Quote Originally Posted by HSG View Post
    Congrats on the purchase. You definitely could do a lot worse than a E1B
    Thanks, do alot worst? You're not a fan of the E1B?
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    Default Re: Impulse buy, bought a Surefire E1B backup

    Quote Originally Posted by ebow86 View Post
    Thanks, do alot worst? You're not a fan of the E1B?
    There are a lot worse lights than an E1B, meaning it's a great light!!

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    Great!!<---------E1B-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------->Bad

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    Default Re: Impulse buy, bought a Surefire E1B backup

    I find it shocking that nobody understands what's going on with Surefire:

    Surefire buys a TON of premium LEDs at a time, and when they run out they buy whatever's the new premium bin. They do not update their lumens rating right away (they consider it a minimum, not a maximum like other manufacturers) so there are some "80-lumen" E1B's, then there are some mislabeled 110-lumen "80-lumen" E1B's, then there are some "110-lumen" E1B's. Generally the period between when they update their lumen ratings is long enough that they believe the older lower rated E1B's are out of their dealer's stock.
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    Default Re: Impulse buy, bought a Surefire E1B backup

    Quote Originally Posted by ebow86 View Post
    Wow, I guess this light really is old news
    It is really old news, but old news with lots of fans! I personally had a hard time parting with mine till I realized that I could get a E1L which was definitely better for me!
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    Default Re: Impulse buy, bought a Surefire E1B backup

    One of the finest EDC's out there. For work during the day, it has no rival. The wonderful beam from the optic really can perform especially when there is ambient lighting around... most reflector based lights in the 1 x 123 format will wash out but the E1B can punch through.

    I used mine the other day to light up something on the ceiling insided of a 60 to 70 foot tall building when there was more than enough light around to see. It wasn't spot light bright, but it definitely did the job and I know my other lights wouldn't have done the job so well.

    At night, still an excellent light.

    Great choice.

    I am with KD on the E1L; for any outdoors experience where I will be away from a steady supply of batteries, I would go with the E1L... not as bright, but double the runtime on high and still very, very bright.
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    Default Re: Impulse buy, bought a Surefire E1B backup

    Congrats on your purchase. I absolutely love my Backup. It's an excellent light that will take whatever punishment you decide to throw at it.

    I've had mine since they launched it and it's been beaten daily since then.
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    Default Re: Impulse buy, bought a Surefire E1B backup

    Welcome to the backup club. 80lm or 110lm doesnt matter, it is still a great light. The E1B is my most used light to date, and it has been carried almost everyday for over a year. I would still love to know for sure which version I have. Here is one for all you dedicated backup users. Can you use current draw at the tail to distinguish between the two models? Mine pulls 990mah.

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    Default Re: Impulse buy, bought a Surefire E1B backup

    Quote Originally Posted by :)> View Post
    One of the finest EDC's out there. For work during the day, it has no rival. The wonderful beam from the optic really can perform especially when there is ambient lighting around... most reflector based lights in the 1 x 123 format will wash out but the E1B can punch through.

    I used mine the other day to light up something on the ceiling inside of a 60 to 70 foot tall building when there was more than enough light around to see. It wasn't spot light bright, but it definitely did the job and I know my other lights wouldn't have done the job so well.

    At night, still an excellent light.

    Great choice.

    I am with KD on the E1L; for any outdoors experience where I will be away from a steady supply of batteries, I would go with the E1L... not as bright, but double the runtime on high and still very, very bright.
    Either one of the E1B or E1L are definitely some of the best lights for working on an engine in the bright sunlight and you can't see down between things!

    I love the predictable UI on these too, where if you turn on an E1B you know you're getting full blast and one more touch will get you low. Exact opposite with the E1L, which along with the knurling makes it my favorite!
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    Default Re: Impulse buy, bought a Surefire E1B backup

    Well, at least your impulses are good ones!

    The E1B by all accounts is an excellent light. I have been eyeing one, as well, for some time. I have an E1L, so have a pretty good idea of what to expect from the E1B, and it is just different enough to be useful to me, which is why I am still thinking of gettin one.

    For one, it should carry very well in a suit/business attire, and not shred your clothes. I'm afraid I can't say the same for the E1L. The E1B also comes on in "high" first. Frankly, for most suburban/urban EDC needs, I think that's fine and in many cases, better. You want to light up that parking lot or side street on the way to your car in the middle of the night? You don't want to start with 5 lumens.

    The E1B should have very good throw, and the spill, despite some comments to the contrary, is somewhat useful. The E1L is rated at "only" 45 lumens (and probably really puts out about 75-80), and I've found that to quite adequate. The E1B, however it's marked should be putting out 110 or more, so should be even more useful, and give you more reach, and more brightness, which is good when you have some ambient light (street, building lighting) but also dim or dark areas (alleys, side streets, parking lots, parks, etc.) to navigate.

    (In contrast the E1L has knurling and enough bumps and ridges and edges that you aren't going to drop it if your hands are cold or slippery, and it comes on first in low, so you are less likely to fry your night adapted vision in the middle of the woods at night. It also has longer runtime on high than the E1B, which has more use if you are out in the middle of nowhere overnight or longer, and not so critical in the suburbs or city. Unless there is a blackout or some disaster that lasts for an extended period of time, in which case, you probably have bigger worries anyway.)

    In short, if you want a light to use for EDC/personal security while still in "civilization" but out at night for a couple of hours at a time, the E1B is the one to get. If you want to have a light for an extended (intended or otherwise) trip into God's Country, the E1L is the choice to make.

    Don't get hung-up on the 80/110 lumen thing. Your eyes would never be able to tell the difference between 80 and 100 lumens, anyway. Thing is, as some have explained, SureFire rates their output in terms of the minimum that the light will put out, given the bin of the LED, current to the emitter, loss through the optic etc. So, when they first put the light on the market, with whatever LED they are starting with, all the lights will be doing at least, say, 80 lumens. That's the "worst performance" scenario. Many lights will put out more than that. At some point during the light's production, they'll have ordered more LEDs, and more likley than not, these will be brighter/more efficient than the originals, so the newer lights are even more likely to perform over spec. If SureFire is now rating the light at 110 lumens on the packaging, then they are saying that the current lights are going to be outputting at least 110 lumens (which you won't be able to tell from 80 lumens). There will be a few over-acheivers, sure, and some new "110" E1Bs might actually be putting out 130 lumens or thereabouts.

    Now, you won't be able to tell the difference between 110 and 130 lumens. you might be able to perceive the differnce between an E1B putting out 80 lumens and one putting out 130 lumens. But as a practical matter, I don't think it would make any difference. And there is no way to determine whether the new E1B you get today will be putting out 110, 120 or 130 lumens. Whatever its actual output, you have picked an excellent light, so impulsive your purchase may have been, but I bet you've now got a lgith you will not part with in the future.
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    I am glad I found this post. This serves to confirm what i thought all along.
    Over the last few weeks, I started buying surefires. I ended buying 2xE1B, 2xE1L, 2xLX2, 3xL1.

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