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    Default Impulse buy, bought a Surefire E1B backup

    Well, I was looking for a small EDC type light to compliment the A2 aviator I recieved last week. I was considering getting a surefire E2E cause of it's size and the fact I love incan's. After doing some thinking I just said screw it, picked up the phone, and ordered a surefire E1B backup. It's a light I had been eyeballin for quite some time but never really gave much thought on droppin the cash for it. Well long story short I had some extra cash to spend and I went ahead and went for it. One of the deciding factors for me was finding out (see this thread http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/....php?p=3466488) that the "new" 110 lumen E1B is actually the same as the old "80 lumen" version, after being afraid for a long time that if I ordered one I might recieve the "older model". The first time I called surefire the guy, who, no offense to him, seemed like he didn't even know what a flashlight was, told me that the new one was actually updated for a higher output. I didn't give him much credibility based on the short conservation I had with him. I made my bank deposit, called back and the woman who I spoke to assured me that I would be getting the newest latest updated version when I ordered. ?, I thought they were all the same Anyway, all I can do is wait now for it to arrive so I can put it through it's paces. So just wanted to let you guys know I'm soon to join the "backup club", I'll post back with my intial thoughts and impressions when it arrives. Thanks
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    Default Re: Impulse buy, bought a Surefire E1B backup

    Wow, I guess this light really is old news
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    Default Re: Impulse buy, bought a Surefire E1B backup

    Congrats on the purchase. You definitely could do a lot worse than a E1B

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    Default Re: Impulse buy, bought a Surefire E1B backup

    Quote Originally Posted by HSG View Post
    Congrats on the purchase. You definitely could do a lot worse than a E1B
    Thanks, do alot worst? You're not a fan of the E1B?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ebow86 View Post
    Thanks, do alot worst? You're not a fan of the E1B?
    There are a lot worse lights than an E1B, meaning it's a great light!!

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    I find it shocking that nobody understands what's going on with Surefire:

    Surefire buys a TON of premium LEDs at a time, and when they run out they buy whatever's the new premium bin. They do not update their lumens rating right away (they consider it a minimum, not a maximum like other manufacturers) so there are some "80-lumen" E1B's, then there are some mislabeled 110-lumen "80-lumen" E1B's, then there are some "110-lumen" E1B's. Generally the period between when they update their lumen ratings is long enough that they believe the older lower rated E1B's are out of their dealer's stock.
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    Default Re: Impulse buy, bought a Surefire E1B backup

    Quote Originally Posted by carrot View Post
    I find it shocking that nobody understands what's going on with Surefire:

    Surefire buys a TON of premium LEDs at a time, and when they run out they buy whatever's the new premium bin. They do not update their lumens rating right away (they consider it a minimum, not a maximum like other manufacturers) so there are some "80-lumen" E1B's, then there are some mislabeled 110-lumen "80-lumen" E1B's, then there are some "110-lumen" E1B's. Generally the period between when they update their lumen ratings is long enough that they believe the older lower rated E1B's are out of their dealer's stock.
    I've heard that ALL E1B's have been putting out 110 lumens from day one.
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    Default Re: Impulse buy, bought a Surefire E1B backup

    The Surefire E1B in black is an excellent little light with a very nice beam profile allowing 80/110 lumens to really get out there. The two way clip is nice also. The light weight and smooth finish make it entirely suitable for pocket carry without tearing up your trousers.

    The runtime is a little short on high though so carry some spares if your planning heavy usage.

    Great light in my book,

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    Default Re: Impulse buy, bought a Surefire E1B backup

    The woman from surefire assured me that the "new" 110 lumen E1B had been shipping out for quite some time and she guranteed that I would recieve the newest and latest E1B, so we'll have to see. She did confirm that the package still says 80 lumens though. I have a 6P LED that puts out 80 lumens so when I compair it with the E1B I should be able to tell right away if my E1B is putting out 110 lumens, now the long wait.
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    Default Re: Impulse buy, bought a Surefire E1B backup

    You wont notice the difference with your eyes anyway, so don't get to anxious about the lumens.

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    Default Re: Impulse buy, bought a Surefire E1B backup

    E1B is the best light I ever bought. I've put so many batteries through it. It's also been thrown high in the air onto hard surfaces many, many, many times to show people why I paid so much for it

    I'll be replacing it if it ever quits but at this point, after what I've put it through, I'm not expecting to replace it anytime soon.


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    Default Re: Impulse buy, bought a Surefire E1B backup

    Quote Originally Posted by DimeRazorback View Post
    You wont notice the difference with your eyes anyway, so don't get to anxious about the lumens.
    Yes I understand what your saying but it's more of the physological side of things. I mean, even though the difference would be minimal, would anyone out there actually be happy knowing they got an "80 lum" model when a better "110 lum" model exists? See what I'm saying?
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    Default Re: Impulse buy, bought a Surefire E1B backup

    I bought an "80 lumen" model even though there were 110 lumen models out there

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    Default Re: Impulse buy, bought a Surefire E1B backup

    Quote Originally Posted by DimeRazorback View Post
    I bought an "80 lumen" model even though there were 110 lumen models out there
    That's good, I'm glad your happy But that just wouldn't work for me, I'm a little too OCD. Seriously though, you don't think your E1B is putting out 110 lumens? Does it look more like 80? And when did you purchase yours?
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    Default Re: Impulse buy, bought a Surefire E1B backup

    Each to their own mate

    To be honest, I have no idea
    It could be 80 or 110 im not sure.
    I'd need one of "each" to say for certain.

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    Default Re: Impulse buy, bought a Surefire E1B backup

    Quote Originally Posted by ebow86 View Post
    Wow, I guess this light really is old news
    It is really old news, but old news with lots of fans! I personally had a hard time parting with mine till I realized that I could get a E1L which was definitely better for me!
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    Default Re: Impulse buy, bought a Surefire E1B backup

    One of the finest EDC's out there. For work during the day, it has no rival. The wonderful beam from the optic really can perform especially when there is ambient lighting around... most reflector based lights in the 1 x 123 format will wash out but the E1B can punch through.

    I used mine the other day to light up something on the ceiling insided of a 60 to 70 foot tall building when there was more than enough light around to see. It wasn't spot light bright, but it definitely did the job and I know my other lights wouldn't have done the job so well.

    At night, still an excellent light.

    Great choice.

    I am with KD on the E1L; for any outdoors experience where I will be away from a steady supply of batteries, I would go with the E1L... not as bright, but double the runtime on high and still very, very bright.
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    Congrats on your purchase. I absolutely love my Backup. It's an excellent light that will take whatever punishment you decide to throw at it.

    I've had mine since they launched it and it's been beaten daily since then.
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    Welcome to the backup club. 80lm or 110lm doesnt matter, it is still a great light. The E1B is my most used light to date, and it has been carried almost everyday for over a year. I would still love to know for sure which version I have. Here is one for all you dedicated backup users. Can you use current draw at the tail to distinguish between the two models? Mine pulls 990mah.

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    Default Re: Impulse buy, bought a Surefire E1B backup

    Quote Originally Posted by kyhunter1 View Post
    Welcome to the backup club. 80lm or 110lm doesnt matter, it is still a great light. The E1B is my most used light to date, and it has been carried almost everyday for over a year. I would still love to know for sure which version I have. Here is one for all you dedicated backup users. Can you use current draw at the tail to distinguish between the two models? Mine pulls 990mah.
    Read this thread here http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...d.php?t=284373
    Goinggear.com claims that he contacted surefire and they informed him all E1b's are the same, 110 lumens from the start. It really is a confusing subject, the guy at surefire told me that the LED's have been updated to 110 lumen output and had been shipping out since January with old 80 lumens packages still

    Question guys, how conserative is the 5 lumen figure for the low on the backup? Do you think it is bright enough for most tasks? And how is the tint on low? Greenish or does it stay white like the high?
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    Default Re: Impulse buy, bought a Surefire E1B backup

    I get you on the OCD thing.

    I bought a Backup from Plaza Cutlery in Costa Mesa, CA and was annoyed to find I had the "old" model with "only" 80 lumens. I was doubly annoyed since I'd paid retail, tax, and double toll road fees (going out and coming back)!. Probably a $180 Backup when everything was said and done.

    However, that Backup really gives up NOTHING compared to an LX2 (200 lumens) and an E2DL (also 200 lumens). The only time you'll really notice a significant difference is during the day, when you need to illuminate something in shadow and for that you need a REALLY bright light.

    The 5 lumen low is bright enough for all tasks. I rarely use mine on high. It's even a bit bright for reading; you'll need to moderate the beam or use the spill rather than the beam to illuminate the page.

    My Backup has pushed the Haiku out of my pocket and now resides there along with the LX2. I wouldn't sell it for $180.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ebow86 View Post
    Question guys, how conserative is the 5 lumen figure for the low on the backup? Do you think it is bright enough for most tasks? And how is the tint on low? Greenish or does it stay white like the high?

    Great choice on the light. It will serve you well.

    Yes, 5 lumens is fine for most tasks. For general walking around, I think 15 lumens (like on the LX2) is actually somewhat more comfortable, but 5 lumens is fine for that - it gets the job done. And as a bonus, for closeup tasks, like reading something, 5 lumens is MUCH more comfortable than 15 lumens.

    5 lumens is still quite bright - so for walking around while my wife is asleep, it's actually still way too bright. (It wakes her up.) For anything a reasonable person would do, it's just fine.

    The tint on my E1B is fine on low.

    My only (minor) complaint about this light is the small size (for my hands) + the smooth body makes it hard to hold securely in any grib except for an overhand grip. My belief is that since an overhand grip would be the preferred grip for the target market (LEOs), this is working as designed.

    (Long winded way of saying I have big hands, don't do what I'm supposed to do, and then b*tch about it. Sheesh, some people!)

    I loaned my E1B to my son's girlfriend last night. They needed to go outside for a smoke, and it's DARK out here. She couldn't stop playing with the E1B - it was great!

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    Quote Originally Posted by :)> View Post
    One of the finest EDC's out there. For work during the day, it has no rival. The wonderful beam from the optic really can perform especially when there is ambient lighting around... most reflector based lights in the 1 x 123 format will wash out but the E1B can punch through.

    I used mine the other day to light up something on the ceiling inside of a 60 to 70 foot tall building when there was more than enough light around to see. It wasn't spot light bright, but it definitely did the job and I know my other lights wouldn't have done the job so well.

    At night, still an excellent light.

    Great choice.

    I am with KD on the E1L; for any outdoors experience where I will be away from a steady supply of batteries, I would go with the E1L... not as bright, but double the runtime on high and still very, very bright.
    Either one of the E1B or E1L are definitely some of the best lights for working on an engine in the bright sunlight and you can't see down between things!

    I love the predictable UI on these too, where if you turn on an E1B you know you're getting full blast and one more touch will get you low. Exact opposite with the E1L, which along with the knurling makes it my favorite!
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    Default Re: Impulse buy, bought a Surefire E1B backup

    Well, at least your impulses are good ones!

    The E1B by all accounts is an excellent light. I have been eyeing one, as well, for some time. I have an E1L, so have a pretty good idea of what to expect from the E1B, and it is just different enough to be useful to me, which is why I am still thinking of gettin one.

    For one, it should carry very well in a suit/business attire, and not shred your clothes. I'm afraid I can't say the same for the E1L. The E1B also comes on in "high" first. Frankly, for most suburban/urban EDC needs, I think that's fine and in many cases, better. You want to light up that parking lot or side street on the way to your car in the middle of the night? You don't want to start with 5 lumens.

    The E1B should have very good throw, and the spill, despite some comments to the contrary, is somewhat useful. The E1L is rated at "only" 45 lumens (and probably really puts out about 75-80), and I've found that to quite adequate. The E1B, however it's marked should be putting out 110 or more, so should be even more useful, and give you more reach, and more brightness, which is good when you have some ambient light (street, building lighting) but also dim or dark areas (alleys, side streets, parking lots, parks, etc.) to navigate.

    (In contrast the E1L has knurling and enough bumps and ridges and edges that you aren't going to drop it if your hands are cold or slippery, and it comes on first in low, so you are less likely to fry your night adapted vision in the middle of the woods at night. It also has longer runtime on high than the E1B, which has more use if you are out in the middle of nowhere overnight or longer, and not so critical in the suburbs or city. Unless there is a blackout or some disaster that lasts for an extended period of time, in which case, you probably have bigger worries anyway.)

    In short, if you want a light to use for EDC/personal security while still in "civilization" but out at night for a couple of hours at a time, the E1B is the one to get. If you want to have a light for an extended (intended or otherwise) trip into God's Country, the E1L is the choice to make.

    Don't get hung-up on the 80/110 lumen thing. Your eyes would never be able to tell the difference between 80 and 100 lumens, anyway. Thing is, as some have explained, SureFire rates their output in terms of the minimum that the light will put out, given the bin of the LED, current to the emitter, loss through the optic etc. So, when they first put the light on the market, with whatever LED they are starting with, all the lights will be doing at least, say, 80 lumens. That's the "worst performance" scenario. Many lights will put out more than that. At some point during the light's production, they'll have ordered more LEDs, and more likley than not, these will be brighter/more efficient than the originals, so the newer lights are even more likely to perform over spec. If SureFire is now rating the light at 110 lumens on the packaging, then they are saying that the current lights are going to be outputting at least 110 lumens (which you won't be able to tell from 80 lumens). There will be a few over-acheivers, sure, and some new "110" E1Bs might actually be putting out 130 lumens or thereabouts.

    Now, you won't be able to tell the difference between 110 and 130 lumens. you might be able to perceive the differnce between an E1B putting out 80 lumens and one putting out 130 lumens. But as a practical matter, I don't think it would make any difference. And there is no way to determine whether the new E1B you get today will be putting out 110, 120 or 130 lumens. Whatever its actual output, you have picked an excellent light, so impulsive your purchase may have been, but I bet you've now got a lgith you will not part with in the future.
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    Default Re: Impulse buy, bought a Surefire E1B backup

    i noticed on my new e1b, the serial number is located under the "fire" side of the surefire logo. the old 80 lumens are located under the "sure" side of the surefire logo. but the package that came my e1b still has the 80 lumens rating. on the new 110 lumens package, the serial number on the e1b is located under the " fire" side also. i just want to share it. i dont know if i got the 110L in an old packaging.

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    Default Re: Impulse buy, bought a Surefire E1B backup

    For a while now, I have been reading many posts about Surefire lights. One common thread between just about all of them is how much SF owners trust these lights and can't say enough good things about them. While I am going to purchase an E1B backup, there is one question. While the black finish is mil-spec type 3 hard anodized coating. Is the silver body color the same coating?......Sorry, no need to answer this question, just found out answer on google, which I should have searched before asking.
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    Great impulse buy!

    I had an E1L that I had to sell a while ago to pay other bills, but I was missing it deeply. I recently acquired the funds to buy another one and this time I decided to go E1B instead. I have to admit the biggest reason I chose the 110 E1B this time is because I fell in love with the silver/gray color... And also the slightly higher output... Good looks for sure!




    EDIT: Ooops, I now realize you bought this light over a month ago and this thread was resurrected... Still, great impulse buy!
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    Default Re: Impulse buy, bought a Surefire E1B backup

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Spaulding View Post
    Great impulse buy!

    I had an E1L that I had to sell a while ago to pay other bills, but I was missing it deeply. I recently acquired the funds to buy another one and this time I decided to go E1B instead. I have to admit the biggest reason I chose the 110 E1B this time is because I fell in love with the silver/gray color... And also the slightly higher output... Good looks for sure!




    EDIT: Ooops, I now realize you bought this light over a month ago and this thread was resurrected... Still, great impulse buy!
    Consider it a post towards my "impulse buy" which I did about 1 hr ago. You never cease to make me laugh Captain Spaulding.
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    I like mine so much I bought 2 of them backup for the backup but seriously there nice lites to me only decent throw in the dark I live in an erea where I have gang problems so its nice to see ahead of time on who's ahead of ya and yes I carry concealed

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    Just picked one up myself, really liking it a lot. Just ordered a new Z68 tailcoat for it- hope it works .

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