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    I just ordered the 6px pro from lapg and they charged me for shipping even though it's supposed to be free has anyone else had that happen?
    I've dealt with LAPG alot over the years and they have top notch customer service! Just shoot them an email and ask them what happened. My guess is it showed up in your order but they will delete the shipping charge before they actually charge your card.

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    The price point seems comfortable but also tends to squeeze out their other products as some have said. On the other hand, why would SF sell a G2 when the this new line is a far superior product for only a few more dollars? It seems fairly obvious that incandescent systems are going away like the dinosaur so this isn't a surprise move but it does make one wonder what will happen to products near it in price and features.

    SF could position itself to say that they still are an American company with American designs and build standards but that they find it hard to grow as a company without cutting costs through labor. They'll say something such as their tactical and weapons lights are and will be made here however they can't keep up with demand so these new lights are made to their standards, still have the SF name, overseas.

    I'm also wondering if they didn't but back on coating the inside of the 6P or use an integrated head with everything pressed in from the back. I have a brand new 6P that looks like standard untreated aluminum on the inside so who knows.
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    So with these fixed heads and the KX4 (complete LED module and head), are we beginning to see the demise of the ever popular P60 drop-ins? If so I am super bummed out. Modularity is part of the appeal of buying the Surefire line.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bole64 View Post
    Think this light will still fit in the Z70 holster? Also, why do you think it is not on the surefire website yet?
    They should be out by October. Whether or not that will happen is anyone's guess

    Quote Originally Posted by Roger999 View Post
    I remember reading somewhere that you can't play lego with them .
    If you can break the glue that holds the head on. Was told the heads will be glued to the body on these lights.

    Quote Originally Posted by flashfiend View Post
    So with these fixed heads and the KX4 (complete LED module and head), are we beginning to see the demise of the ever popular P60 drop-ins? If so I am super bummed out. Modularity is part of the appeal of buying the Surefire line.
    From what I am hearing, I believe that would be a yes on this issue.
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    Anyone else concerned about this trend? I hate non-modular lights that will prevent the creation of one off customs. I think I have one all-factory light. The rest have been modified in some way. I hope Surefire reconsiders this trend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flashfiend View Post
    Anyone else concerned about this trend? I hate non-modular lights that will prevent the creation of one off customs. I think I have one all-factory light. The rest have been modified in some way. I hope Surefire reconsiders this trend.
    There's always the option of using the incan versions of the light. I heard they will be making them for the foreseeable future.
    Yes I have SAS... Surefire Acquisition Syndrome.
    The HA doesn't bother me but the darn blue tint does!

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    They should have made these legoable with each other. I maybe will get the 6PX in Tactical and a G2X in Pro, would have loved the option to interchange the heads between them and go Tactical or Pro.

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    There's always the option of using the incan versions of the light. I heard they will be making them for the foreseeable future.
    Not with people who believe the following to be true continuing to grow in number

    Quote Originally Posted by Flashlightboy View Post
    ...It seems fairly obvious that incandescent systems are going away like the dinosaur so this isn't a surprise move but it does make one wonder what will happen to products near it in price and features...
    Sorry flashlightboy, not meant to pick on you but I believe those who see incans as fading dinosaurs are what is pushing the loss of modularity.

    LED's have a long life and don't need regular replacement like incans so who needs the light emitters to be modular and replaceable? This I believe is the type of thinking that may be entering Surefire design brains.
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    I agree that non-modular flashlights are probably a smart move by surefire and a bit of a pain for those of us that like modifying lights. Lets face it most people only remove the head when they have to (changing lamps) and if it can make them more price competitive combined with LEDs not needed to be replaced, then that is important with the likes of fenix making great lights at cheaper prices.
    As for the death of the surefire's ability to be modified I think we are probably safe for the foreseeable future, though it's never a bad time to stock up

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    Quote Originally Posted by flashfiend View Post
    Not with people who believe the following to be true continuing to grow in number



    Sorry flashlightboy, not meant to pick on you but I believe those who see incans as fading dinosaurs are what is pushing the loss of modularity.

    LED's have a long life and don't need regular replacement like incans so who needs the light emitters to be modular and replaceable? This I believe is the type of thinking that may be entering Surefire design brains.
    The incans are here to stay and people still use them (lower cost), that's per the SF people I talked to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jp2515 View Post
    The incans are here to stay and people still use them (lower cost), that's per the SF people I talked to.
    This is good. I'm crazy about SF (most of my lights are SF's) but these new lights don't do anything for me. I'll be using my L1/L2/C2/C3/D3 for many many years. I also plan to pick up another C3 for reserve.

    I guess I'm glad that some folks like the looks of these new lights, but I'm going to be having fun with the modularity of my older 'incan' SF's for as long as I'm a flashaholic.

    Maybe when SF can match the performance of my Moddoo triple XP-G's in my C2 & C3 I'll think about changing my tune.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kestrel View Post
    This is good. I'm crazy about SF (most of my lights are SF's) but these new lights don't do anything for me. I'll be using my L1/L2/C2/C3/D3 for many many years. I also plan to pick up another C3 for reserve.

    I guess I'm glad that some folks like the looks of these new lights, but I'm going to be having fun with the modularity of my older 'incan' SF's for as long as I'm a flashaholic.

    Maybe when SF can match the performance of my Moddoo triple XP-G's in my C2 & C3 I'll think about changing my tune.
    It would be a travesty for SF to stop making the incan lights (since many of the Centurions are still incan).
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    Wow, looks like 6PX Pro will be my very first surefire light. .
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    Now that we have a better look at these lights, I am finding the bezels on them to be rather goofy looking. Too bad they don't have the sleek look of the new KX4's. Those are so much nicer looking.

    But really, who am I kidding? I'm sure the looks will grow on me rather quickly. Especially since the 6PX Pro has a retail price of only $79. That means the street price is going to be even less..

    I guess I will have to buy one of these after all...

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    I think we are underestimating the ingenuity and talent of the many modders that we have here on CPF. These new models will be a challenge, but I think they will become favourites as a low cost mule or basis for modification. But of course I could be way off, I guess we need to see one in the flesh so to speak
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    Quote Originally Posted by jp2515 View Post
    If you can break the glue that holds the head on. Was told the heads will be glued to the body on these lights.
    In the link dano posted it says
    In order to lower the price, the new lights have redesigned heads that are fixed in place. They aren’t removable, as they are in the G2 and 6P.
    To glue head and body together would be an additional step in production. How would that lower the price?

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    As others have said the fact that Surefire have managed to cut the price of these new lights would suggest that they have cut their manufacturing costs or profit margins or both. However, I would be interested to know if Surefire will change their warranty for these new lights to a limited warranty? Whilst Surefire's more expensive lights have always cost considerably more than their competitors the quality and lifetime warranty almost certainly (IMHO) justified the higher price. It would seem unlikely (but by no means certain) that by reducing their exposure to everlasting warranty claims on these cheaper lights that they could safely reduce costs without sacrificing their reputation. If these lights are no longer as easily disassembled as people suggest then the time taken by Surefire to disassemble them under warranty claims would become uneconomic potentially making it cheaper to simply replace the complete unit. Would it make sense to introduce a new range of cheaper lights simply to have to keep replacing them indefinitely? In any case these new lights are so (relatively) cheap that they are nearly disposable. In that regard I will certainly pull the trigger on buying one or two when they eventually hit the UK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric242 View Post
    In the link dano posted it says
    To glue head and body together would be an additional step in production. How would that lower the price?

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    Streamlight used to make all their lights in the USA and now they are making many of them in China or only "assemblying" them in the USA. I wonder if Surefire is heading in the same direction.

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    wow...nice products at great prices, SF might be trying to grab more market


    like someone else already said, this is E2DL output at like a third the price


    if these are still mostly US made, I'll probably pick up several as gifts and spares

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schuey2002 View Post
    Now that we have a better look at these lights, I am finding the bezels on them to be rather goofy looking. Too bad they don't have the sleek look of the new KX4's. Those are so much nicer looking.

    But really, who am I kidding? I'm sure the looks will grow on me rather quickly. Especially since the 6PX Pro has a retail price of only $79. That means the street price is going to be even less..

    I guess I will have to buy one of these after all...
    The bezels are a host to a deeper reflector, supposedly for more throw. We'll have to wait until they come out. Just too bad the rep I met didn't have one to show!

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric242 View Post
    In the link dano posted it says
    To glue head and body together would be an additional step in production. How would that lower the price?

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    Just happened to see a Z2-S today, somehow someone had the head loose and I saw what appeared to be red Loctite on the head. That and I heard that the new LED heads (reflector and bezel) are to be 1 assembly instead of the old P60LED module and a Z44 bezel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flashfiend View Post
    Anyone else concerned about this trend?[...] I hope Surefire reconsiders this trend.
    Count me in! As soon as a Surefire can not be dissasembled completely, I see no reason to pay the relativly high price. Then I can buy a cheaper light e.g. iTP SA-2 and throw it away if it stops working of has a shattered lens. With a Surefire, I just get a replacement part. THAT is the reason why i started buying Surefires a few months ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flashfiend View Post
    LED's have a long life and don't need regular replacement like incans so who needs the light emitters to be modular and replaceable? This I believe is the type of thinking that may be entering Surefire design brains.
    I fear you may be correct. It's funny, but I look at it just the opposite - because LED's have a long life and are much more likely to be still fully functional after they have become technologically obsolete, I like having the option of upgrading the light with a new drop-in. I look at LED's as giving me much higher reliability (lifespan, shock resistance, etc) and efficiency than an incandescent but not as never needing to be replaced.

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    ^^

    I think it'll be awhile before a 200 lumen flashlight is completely and utterly obsolete....

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    ^^

    I think it'll be awhile before a 200 lumen flashlight is completely and utterly obsolete....
    The desire for something bigger and better won't become obsolete either, therein lies the problem.
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    The G2X Pro seems like a nice light for the car, boat, or anyplace I might not want my E2DL, A2, LX2 or other pricey SureFire to disappear from.

    While we flashaholics might not be thrilled with them, we're enthusiasts, and only a small portion of the potential market. I think SureFire may get a lot more customers with dual output models and tactical models at these price points.
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    What LEDs are they using? I hope the runtime of the E2DL is increased to 2.5 hours

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    Quote Originally Posted by jp2515 View Post
    The bezels are a host to a deeper reflector, supposedly for more throw. We'll have to wait until they come out. Just too bad the rep I met didn't have one to show!



    Just happened to see a Z2-S today, somehow someone had the head loose and I saw what appeared to be red Loctite on the head. That and I heard that the new LED heads (reflector and bezel) are to be 1 assembly instead of the old P60LED module and a Z44 bezel.
    I managed to get the lens retaining ring(?) off my KX4...needless to say, it's no longer a "lens retaining ring" but a diffuser retaining ring, as, as stated earlier, the lenses on these newer heads, at least the KX4, are glued to the reflector , so all you can do is put a diffuser in there.

    Guess if your KX4 breaks, SF will be sending you a new one???

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    Quote Originally Posted by red02 View Post
    The desire for something bigger and better won't become obsolete either, therein lies the problem.
    Neither will the desire for a low-low...SF still seems to recognize this, and they will always have lights with a moderate amount of lumens.

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    Wow, whatever these are they are sure look good. I just hope they are made in the US.
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