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    How the hell are they heat sinking a 200 lumen LED in a nitrolon light without sacrificing longevity of the LED, while maintaining output?!

    That's what I want to know.
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    ^^^

    My guess, it probably starts off at 200 lumens, and then dims down to the mid 150-170 lumen range as it heats up. Much like the way the P60L dims...

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    Quote Originally Posted by wacbzz View Post
    1. That is correct. SF is manufacturing these lights in a US production facility
    SureFire turns its own bar stock at its own facilities in the USA, and has it's proprietary Nitrolon manufactured in the USA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by foxtrot29 View Post
    How the hell are they heat sinking a 200 lumen LED in a nitrolon light without sacrificing longevity of the LED, while maintaining output?!

    That's what I want to know.
    The G2X uses the same aluminium bezel as the 6PX.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flashlightboy View Post
    I mean right now SureFire is not an all American company if you use it to mean that all their underlying components are American made. Aren't the incandescent lamp assemblies from Mexico, IIRC? The LEDs are imported from an overseas manufacturer, aren't they?

    It might be better to say that SF lights are assembled in the USA from substantially USA manufactured parts.

    Just saying...
    This has been gone over in long-running threads before.

    Of course SureFire is an American company.

    Quote Originally Posted by Size15's View Post
    SureFires are designed and assembled in the USA from both domestic and foreign components. They qualify as "American Made" under the Buy American Act.

    SureFire use LEDs that are not themselves always "Made in the USA". As a result SureFire can not use the "Made in the USA" claim without qualification because a flashlight's light source is not a 'negligible' part - it is essential to its function. Given SureFire's diverse product range I understand they opt for using the Buy American Act description even though some of their lights can meet the "Made in the USA" rules as well.

    Unlike the "Made in the USA" rules, I understand the "Buy American Act" allows for functional foreign components where there is no viable domestic alternative.


    SureFire uses Carley for their bespoke incandescent bulbs, and Carley haven't always been able to meet SureFire's demand using their US facilities.
    SureFire makes it's Lamp Assembly components in the USA. Carley bulbs are made in the USA - it's Carley's potting of the bulbs into SureFire's assemblies that is done just across the boarder in Mexico.

    I know that SureFire cares very much about making their own components at their state of the art manufacturing and assembly facilities in SoCal
    They use long-established domestic partners for anodising, and for polymer components such as their bespoke Nitrolon.

    When you speak to SureFire employees you quickly recognise their integrity and pride they have in their products and their mission. Impressive American enthusiasm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Size15's View Post
    SureFire turns its own bar stock at its own facilities in the USA, and has it's proprietary Nitrolon manufactured in the USA.


    Thanks Al. Perhaps this will end all the questions about where this light will be built. While looking for a "brighter, better built light," many more people will now be able to give SF a second look that have not been able to in the past simply because of cost.

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    It makes no sense for Surefire to lower the quality of their lights. They would lose much more reputation (read: money) and money in CS replacements and repairs than they would save with lesser quality production and materials.

    If they are good enough to meet the Berry Amendment and become a DOD contractor they are American enough for all practical and political reasons. I think thats the reason that law was enacted: to make sure that the DOD had good equipment in an unforeseen war with a current trading partner.
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    It's good to hear that these will indeed be made right here in the States..

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    Just to be clear, I actually really like these new LED heads they are making, and at quite a decent price. I just don't like the new bodies. I just hope they progress toward a warmer tint rather than more lumens. Because it's the quality of the light you see, not the quantity of it. If they went that route, Surefire could do a good advertising pitch for the benefits of warm or high CRI LEDs in tactical and weaponlights that would make the others look inferior.
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    Default Re: The SureFire 6PX/G2X Tactical and 6PX/G2X Pro Thread

    Noticed they are not yet listed on the SF site yet?
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    i ordered one but predictably it is backordered

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedLed View Post
    Noticed they are not yet listed on the SF site yet?
    Not a good sign for a quick release date... I'm expecting more than a year wait. How long before release did they list the Saint and E2L-AA?
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    Does anyone know which will come on first on the pro models? High or low? I'm also glad to see that there are annoying strobe and sos modes to cycle through.
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    I seem to recall the video saying low then high.

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    Default Re: The SureFire 6PX/G2X Tactical and 6PX/G2X Pro Thread

    They are also listed for sale now on the sales site that sells "Optics to the Planet"

    They are listed for sale, but this company kept me waiting for months when I ordered the new ICON models as gifts, and ruined that. No remorse on their end. Too bad for them. My company has a huge budget for camera equipment each year, and my flash light hobby is large too. We are not going to do business with them again.

    But if you want the light call first to confirm

    So, I Dont know.

    The other company in NYC that sounds like BH will get our six annual figures.
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    The 6px/G2x series aren't supposed to ship until Oct. 1st so I don't understand why people are upset that they are backordered etc. ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by trailblazer View Post
    The 6px/G2x series aren't supposed to ship until Oct. 1st so I don't understand why people are upset
    Exactly. Thank you, trailblazer.
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    Supposed to and actual are two very different things as we've seen from SF.

    Sometimes it's much later than what you're told however sometimes it's sooner.

    I preordered a Garmin GPS with a early to mid August ship date per Garmin. Guess what? Vendors had it in stock for sale 2 weeks before that so those expected ship dates are fuzzy at best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flashlightboy View Post
    Supposed to and actual are two very different things as we've seen from SF.

    Sometimes it's much later than what you're told however sometimes it's sooner
    Just to be clear, which formal announcements like this one have SureFire not delivered on?

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    I'm not speaking strictly to this product offering but rather, in a general sense based on history, that SF does not release products during the year they are introduced or dates are pushed back if the model is even introduced at all. I'm not the person who coined the phrase "vaporware" and it's use with SF products cannot be considered untrue or unsubstantiated. And where is the new LX1?

    I'd like to buy one of these new lights since it offers great features at a price uncommon with SF containing these features. If the release/ship date holds true that will be fantastic but if not, I won't be terribly disappointed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Size15's View Post
    Just to be clear, which formal announcements like this one have SureFire not delivered on?
    The "Made in the USA statement" that was supposed to be in the 2010 Catalog?! Or, was that the 2009...?!

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    I'm big fan of Surefire Clip because their clip locks strong on the pocket but I don't see any clip features on the 6PX dan G2X series ??

    Seems SF make it for Holster Carry only??

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    Something isnt right about these.....The Stratum is almost identical to the 6px, yet has an MSRP that is almost double. Either SF is skimping, these are made overseas, or they are loss leaders....

    What do these say about the other SF models, in terms of price vs. value and performance?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dano View Post
    Something isnt right about these.....The Stratum is almost identical to the 6px, yet has an MSRP that is almost double. Either SF is skimping, these are made overseas, or they are loss leaders....

    What do these say about the other SF models, in terms of price vs. value and performance?
    We've already ruled out 'made overseas'.
    We're just beginning to discover the 'savings' SureFire are making with these models - I'm sure once CPFers have some in hand and make to some detailed analysis, we'll see whether SureFire have "skimped" too far...
    As to whether SureFire are planning to make a loss on each one, or whether they are aiming for increased volume to offset smaller profit margin, I think the latter far more likely.

    I've already mentioned these new models will change the landscape of SureFire's product range. Some existing models may be forced to adapt or be forced to retire... the S2 and Z2-S being two I see adapting, and the G2L & 6PL retiring...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dano View Post
    Something isnt right about these.....The Stratum is almost identical to the 6px, yet has an MSRP that is almost double. Either SF is skimping, these are made overseas, or they are loss leaders....

    What do these say about the other SF models, in terms of price vs. value and performance?
    Change is exciting when embraced!

    We've already ruled out 'made overseas'.
    We're just beginning to discover the 'savings' SureFire are making with these models - I'm sure once CPFers have some in hand and make to some detailed analysis, we'll see whether SureFire have "skimped" too far...
    As to whether SureFire are planning to make a loss on each one, or whether they are aiming for increased volume to offset smaller profit margin, I think the latter far more likely.

    I've already mentioned these new models will change the landscape of SureFire's product range. Some existing models may be forced to adapt or be forced to retire... the S2 and Z2-S being two I see adapting, and the G2L & 6PL retiring...

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    I'll echo Size15's sentiments above, these lights are made here in the US of A. I asked the rep about the country of manufacture and that is the answer I got, they are not manufactured overseas.

    Had a chance to see the new lights for myself at a show and they look great. Definitely brighter than the 6PL (with the KX4) head. Lens is plastic and just like the KX4, the LED module is now integrated within the bezel. For the Pro models, the high comes on first and then low (a la the E2DL). From what I saw, definitely deeper and textured reflector with a CREE LED. Bight it was and they felt solid.
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    If these work out as planned, a significant portion of SF's model line will be effected. People wont pay a hundred bucks more for a Stratum or to have a Combatgrip on their light. These will also make the original 6 and G lines, along with the KX4 head absolete, just based upon pricepoint.

    Also, what does this say about Surefires pricing? If these are being made at that MSRP, and SF is making a profit from them, and unless they have acquired some magic machines to make these new lights, i guess a lot of folks were correct: we are all suckers for paying the "Surefire Premium."
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    I can't wait for these 2 models to be released. Styling is lovely to me.

    What I'm fed up with is the surefire guarantee. Sent an email to them regarding a melted lens and till date, no reply. The least they could have sent was an acknowledgement email.

    Seems like surefire don't give a damn about international non-contract buyers.

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    Although this is off topic - I got a reply within 24 hours and my spare part shipped within 48 hours - international (to Germany).

    Regarding the price policy.

    If those lights are essentially 2-piece (tailcap + rest), the electronics are less sophisticated and thus production cheaper.. well that could explain the price difference.

    take the LX2 for instance. Only the Head is made from several alloy parts which have all to be machined and anodized separately. Then there's a clip, more sophisticated electronics, more milling and so on.

    I wonder whether these new lights will have the same "you break it we fix it" guarantee or maybe only 2 years limite warranty?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dano View Post
    [...]These will also make the original 6 and G lines, along with the KX4 head absolete, just based upon pricepoint.
    [...]

    Let's just hope that they don't discontinue the 6P altogther. Even though I do have enough (+/- 6) 6P Bodys, Z41s and Z44s, I nonetheless would prefer to see its production continued.

    Has anyone heard something official?

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