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    Living here in Hawaii, we have Hurricanes to worry about. About 10 years ago a Hurricane came in sweeping through the island of Kauai wiping out all of their power and water for weeks. Needless to say, I felt very sorry for these unfortunate people. An occasional blackout would be welcomed by all of us here but, 3 weeks is a long damn time. I was perusing a local news site, and came across their Hurricane Survival Checklist.

    http://www.thehawaiichannel.com/weat...61/detail.html

    I think that their take on flashlights is kind of weak. They should really go into led lights and the extended battery life, incandescents for throw and what not. All they say is, "Battery-operated radio, flashlights, non-electric can opener, extra batteries" I give em credit for saying flashlights though, implying that you need more than one. In any case what kinds of flashlights would you have on hand in case of natural disaster?

    I figure for me, I would like to have-

    A crap load of batteries
    Infinities for run time
    Attitude for slightly more brightness
    My Arc LS for more brightness
    My TL-2 Led and Xenon for throw
    Surge for backup brightness
    Lightwave 4000 for long term brightness
    ...Come to think of it I'd like to have all my lights on hand. Just in terms of sheer versatility, having so many different lights provides us with so many options.

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    Anglelux,
    24 hours plus of brightness on two D cells will do the trick. Figure (at max) 4 hours per day of light the Anglelux will go for 6 plus days on 2 D cells. Two cells in the light and a four-pack of D cells in reserve will give you almost three weeks of light.

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    Hey Coolguy, "Lucky you live Hawaii."

    Some ideas from Los Angeles, land of riots, earthquakes and rolling blackouts (I lived in Manoa Valley, attended Roosevelt HS, and 3 years at UH, until I transferred to UCLA for better job prospects in California - what was I thinking? Now I dream of returning to Hawaii.)

    Your lights should easily get you through three weeks, especially the Lightwave 4000.

    Consider adding a couple of headlamps like the Tikka, Zipka (the size of a large egg) and Aurora. They free-up both hands, a real plus when dealing with a storm or civil emergency. You can fix windows, stack sandbags, load ammo, whatever, without having to hold a flashlight. Less fatiguing and the light points automatically whatever you look at. I'm really big on this.

    Get a bunch of battery adapters to increase versatility. Keep a variety of batteries but concentrate on AAA's and AA's, using adapters for "C" and "D" celled lights if you run out of the bigger cells.

    Get some NiMH batteries and a rapid charger. You can recharge them if the power is intermittant, or if authorities ration power to certain hours.

    Add a Brunton solar charger to charge NiMH's after the storm passes, in case power plants in Oahu are seriously damaged.

    Inverter. Converts car battery juice to AC power. The inverter with the rapid charger can charge your NiMh batteries without having to run your engine, and it's a lot cheaper and smaller than a generator. I just bought a 800 peak watts/400 continuous watts, inverter at Costco for 25 bucks. It can run a tv and/or a few 50 watt bulbs, though I have to run the car engine about 10 minutes for every hour of car battery use. Not perfect but another option.

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    benthead:
    Thanks for the advice. I've never heard of Anglelux before. What kind of flashoholic am I?...

    rodmeister:
    Thanks for the advice. I used to live in Manoa to, I lived there the the first half of my life then moving out to Aiea. I probably would have attended Roosevelt, had I not attended Mid-Pacific. I attended the University of Hawaii, and throughout that time it took me 5 years to graduate like most UH students... I finally got out last year but, I decided to go back for more education. You're right, job prospects here suck.

    In any case because I wrote this post yesterday, I dreamt about being in a hurricane situation. I dreamt that all power had gone out not to mention all utilities being down. But, like most dreams(you know the ones where nothing works properly), I didn't have any lights or batteries. The only light I had was a crummy little photon, that I used to keep equipped on my keys years back.

    I probably wouldn't have written this post but, there is a slim chance that a Hurricane will pass pretty close to the islands on Monday. Usually when Hurricanes come past this way they start out on the West Coast, die down in the cold water, and restrengthen near Hawaii. The last time we were hit, they never predicted that it would even touch us. But, it took a sharp turn North and obliterated may houses on the island that I am not living on.

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    Have you got enough food for 3 weeks? If not, decide to rely on relief supplies coming in, or re-evaluate your priorities. You can't eat batteries.

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    hey coolguy, If we did lose power here, i think we have enough lights between the local flashaholics to light up this islands for a few weeks [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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    Forgot to mention that Oahu might be a target because of all the military facilities there. I read the Honolulu Star-Bulletin online, and recall some kind of alert or warning about this recently. So being prepared is a real good idea.

    A few cases of MRE's, barrels of water, some kind of rain catcher, sheet plastic for a solar still, and chlorine bleach or iodine tablets to disinfect the water. Also consider you may have to share supplies or be able to defend them, if you know what I mean, though I think the people of Hawaii are different from LA where they will riot at the drop of a hat (I'm exaggerating of course.)

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    Firearms and ammunition should be at the top of everyone's "survival kit" list.

    All the food, batteries, water, flashlights, etc. won't do you a lick of good if you are dead.

    I think anyone here who has been through any sort of natural disaster or riot knows that, often the police cannot or will not be able to reach you for a myriad of reasons.

    Add in that very often thugs like to take advantage of the chaos in the aftermath of a natural disaster to go looting, and firearms are a must.

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    Here on the East coast, when a snow storm is predicted everyone hoardes bread and milk ..... I hoarde chips and beer [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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    Have you got enough food for 3 weeks? If not, decide to rely on relief supplies coming in, or re-evaluate your priorities. You can't eat batteries.

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    Priorities... Batteries or Food, Light or Food... Hmmm... Good point. Batteries or Food... Nah, it's good point Paulr. I actually wrote the post with the intention that food and other supplies were taken care of. I wrote the post as a Flash-o-holic would have written it. Food or Batteries... [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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    Any number of junky flashlights are worse than no flashlights at all. Of course, we know better than to have junky flashlights. We also know that price doesn't always reflect quality (true for more than just flashlights).

    Paulr, I used to live in Hawaii, and there is plenty to eat without needing to depend on relief supplies.

    Mango, papaya, guava, hawaiin bananas, passion fruit, pineapple, surf casting (fish), and other things, including edible mushrooms.

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    Junky flashlight have their uses, as last ditch spares and bartering. I always keep my old junky lights from my pre-LED, pre-Surefire days to loan to roommates, neighbors, relatives, etc. You might use the junky lights to trade for gas, food, water from neighbors caught without working flashlights.

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    I'll try and ask the webmaster of that site about it the next time I see him (if I see him, rather). I'm pretty sure that he pulled that list from somewhere else, though.

    I really have to work on my food supply for hurricane situations. We have a lot of canned goods, but I've wanted to stock up on some MREs. There's a lot of other stuff I need as well. I am decently stocked in the battery area and I have a pretty good supply of lights to fall back on. Unfortunately I am not allowed to own a firearm (by parental decree), so I'll have to depend on my sharp objects to defend myself and my stuff. Frankly, though, when it comes to hurricane season, I worry more about my roof blowing off than not having electricity. I definitely have to work on my survival kit and bug-out bag, though.

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    charles: where in hawaii did you used to live?

    rodmeister: Agreed, I usually give all my junky flashlights to others as well. In fact, it's good to have those junky flashlights so that you don't have to get rid of any of your better flashlights.

    zenghost: I totally AGREE with you regarding my roof blowing off. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img] That is quite possibly my biggest fear regarding any possible hurricane that may sweep through the island.

    My girlfriends mom was interested in picking up some decent flashlights in case of any hurricane. She knows I'm a nut regarding flashlights so they are asking for my advice. Can you imagine anything more exciting... Giving flashlight advice to non-flashlight people. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] I was thinking that they wouldn't be to inclined to purchase anything really expensive so my tactic was going to be to suggest:

    -SL TT 3C for long run times, and occasional bright light when they need it

    -A couple of infinities for long run time or for individual people in the family

    -A few headlamp type led lights

    I really don't think they'd get anything more than that... In fact i don't even think they'd buy all of that. 30 bucks for a flashlight is a bit much for most normal people to spend.... [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/poke2.gif[/img]

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    Coolguy: Oahu (downtown Honolulu and various other parts), Maui, and parts of Kauai. Most of the time, it was out of a tent and backpack. On Maui, I had the fun of being tested by a real kahuna (they never say they are). It's a conversation that only Spiritual Initiates understand. Anyone else who happens to overhear it: Huh?? Say, What??!!??

    I can't fly anywhere now, cause people with my income source can only afford to buy a oneway ticket, and that would mean instant arrest and being charged as a terrorist (as if they can't buy roundtrip), even though I am not such. Such is profiling these days.

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    I can't fly anywhere now, cause people with my income source can only afford to buy a oneway ticket, and that would mean instant arrest and being charged as a terrorist (as if they can't buy roundtrip), even though I am not such. Such is profiling these days.

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    Unless you're a minority, especially of middle eastern decent. Then you don't have to worry about profiling.

    Don't want to go about offending those who are most likely terrorists. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif[/img]

    But if you're an 80 year old grandmother with a pair of knitting needles, it's obvious you are trying to mastermind the next 9/11!!!

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    Do my eyes deceive me, or does the checklist mentioned on the first page, and every post thereafter lack one very important word?

    Duh... Hello!? KNIFE?

    Sorry guys, but FLASHLIGHTS would be the second category on my own checklist, right after KNIVES. Of course, my knife list would include at least one respectable multi-tool, with a can opener, saw blade, pliers, screwdrivers, etc., right AFTER a nice Microtech knife and some sorta small, very sharp machete of reasonable heft.

    Knives - Man's first and most important tools. No batteries required. I'd rather have a knife than a gun, though there are times that there is no substitute for a gun, there are more situations where a knife is needed and a gun is useless than vice versa.


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    Xrayzebra:

    You make some good points, and of course a fine blade is an absolute necessity. However, the purpose of this thread wasn't to list the contents of a complete survival kit, just the lights.

    I would not be able to choose between a knife or gun if I had to.

    Sure you'd probably get more "use" out of the blade, but if you don't have the gun, it would only take one time for you to need it for your time to be up. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif[/img]

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    I could argue: you can't use a knife if you can't see anything, but xrayzebra is right. I've got a Chris Reeve Aviator, a decorated small Sebenza, a large Redwood inlayed Sebenza, an Umfaan, a Scott Cook Owyhee Hunter, four Leathermans and an assortment of miscellaneous knives. I own about 18 guns and 15 flashlights so it's not an either/or choice for me.

    Everyone should have a quality fixed blade and folding knives, and and a good multi-tool.

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    I unfortunately do not have any good fixed blades. All of my knives are comprised of foldables. A cold steel gunsite, Kershaw Blackout, Kershaw chive and onion. I usually find myself carrying the chive around because it's small and I usually need the knife for simple cutting tasks. I've seen some knives with little lights attached to them so you can see what you are cutting. It's a good idea but, it's usually a meteocre light attached to an even more meteocre knife. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif[/img]

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    Hey talk to Tom Mayo on the next island. He makes excellent knives, both folding and fixed.

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    Too bad Tom doesn't take orders anymore. And he should be on the same island as coolguy (going by the Honolulu in his location).

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    Hey guys,
    I happen to have lived on the island of Kauai during hurricane Ewa, and for those who don't know, Kauai was hit the hardest(usually is). I lived on the extreme west side in the town of Kekaha. And worst of all, my house was(and I do mean WAS) right along the beach. I was told that the waves got up to 80 feet in front of my house, and that's measured from the back of the wave! My house was built on stilts, like all houses in the area and managed to escape basicly untouched, but did float away about 80 feet from it's original position!

    To make a long story short, we had to go without electricity for over five weeks and without running water for over three MONTHS!

    Luckily, my grandmother's house was still standing, so we all had somewhere to live. Those next six months was like a long camping trip without the fun. And to be honest, I think that lantern type lighting would be far more useful in a hurricane (or more like afterward), as most of the time we would need area lighting to get around the house, such as it was. We used a lot of kerosene lanterns most of all, far more than flashlights. Flashlights were only used to go outside to relieve yourself or get from room to room inside the house.

    I'm not saying you wouldn't need a flashlight, and most of the suggestions here would have been more than welcomed back then. But in actual use, a nice LED-based lantern would have been ideal, along with some good flashlights.

    I was already living here on Oahu by the time hurricane Iniki hit Kauai, so it wasn't bad at all. But my families home, which survived Ewa, didn't make it out of this one.

    Just thought I'd give my two cents having lived through a major hurricane.

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    Sonic: Wow Hurricane Ewa... That was a long time ago. I was recently in Kekaha. I visited that area to see where my Grandparents were raised. You are right, many of the houses in that area, particularly the ones on stilts don't look like they would survive a hurricane. Too bad you didn't have some infinities back then to use as 'candles'.

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    Yeah, some infinities or any LED lights would have been great back then. And yeah, it was a long time ago. I was in the 5th or 6th grade I think and the schools were shut down for a long time. Heck, everything was shut down for a long time. But the biggest bummer was probably having to eat MRE's for a couple months straight. I think I've had enough to last me the rest of my life!

    Darryl

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    That sucks, dude. I was in the 3rd grade when Iwa hit (1982), and I remember it was pretty scary. One of our outer walls was a single wall and I remember putting my hand on it and feeling it flex back and forth with the wind. Luckily we got through it unscathed. I'm smack dab in the middle of the island so we were unaffected by the high surf. I remember coming home early from school, but I think we went back the next day. Iniki was a walk in the park for us--I actually sat on my driveway and watched everything during that one. Kauai does always seem to take the brunt of the storms along with the West Coast of Oahu (Waianae side). I only remember using propane lanterns and candles during Iwa (no need during Iniki)--not much in the way of flashlights.

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    Yep, the thread was intended to list necessary flashlights for a survival checklist, but the lack of any knives on any list was just too much for me! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] I'm always off topic, sorry guys. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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    They did kinda leave that flashlight one open, didn't they? Since most would buy the mass market standard incan flashlight, they forgot to mention extra bulbs. Things should be stored in watertight containers, and be in a place that isn't going to blow away in those high winds. The containers must be easily loaded into your vehicle for evacuation, with room for the family. One or more tents would be a good idea for after the fact.

    Of course, in the light area, flashaholics tend to be better prepared.

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    Sonic brings up a point we all surprisingly missed:

    Lanterns and headlamps.

    Those are truly indispensable for many situations...

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    Yep, the thread was intended to list necessary flashlights for a survival checklist, but the lack of any knives on any list was just too much for me! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] I'm always off topic, sorry guys. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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    I hear ya brother!

    I had to chime in about firearms, and can't believe I forgot blades!!! You ever visit www.bladeforums.com or the USN?

    Back to your regularly scheduled thread...

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