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    Default 18650 battery test with capacity curves for many cells

    18650 battery test 2011

    A 2012 test can be found here






    In this test I have measured many different 18650 batteries and collected the data in bar graphs and curves. The above picture shows most of the cells I have tested.







    Capacity: Measured capacity at 0.2 ampere discharge rate (This is the average from the two tested cells). This is not measured the same way as the manufacture specified capacity, i.e. it is not supposed to be exactly the same value.

    Top: SB: Small button top, LB: Large button top, Flat: Flat top (See here for more information).

    Bottom: A protected battery has a PCB at the bottom, on some batteries this has been strengthen with a metal plate.

    Protected: Does the battery have a protection circuit? IMR batteries do not.

    Max. Dis.: Maximum allowed discharge rate. This is only listed for batteries where it is specified, for all other batteries assume 2C.

    Source: Where I got the battery.

    Date: The month I got the battery.







    This chart show the average capacity of the tested cells.







    This chart show the average energy of the tested cells.







    In this chart I have taken the difference between 0.2 and 2 ampere energy bar and calculated the change in percent of total energy ((Energy@0.2A - Energy@2A) /Energy@0.2A). This high lights the difference on handling loads.







    Physical dimensions



    18650 batteries are not all the same size, they are supposed to be 18 mm in diameter and 65 mm long, but due to the added protection circuit they are up to 5 mm longer. These charts show the size of the largest of my test batteries (The difference is usual not more than 0.1 mm to 0.2 mm for a cell type).

















    Combined discharge curves



    These curves can be very hard to read, due to the many cells in one chart. When in doubt about which cell a specific curve is, use the charts under each cell to confirm the cell type.



    0.2 ampere discharge















    0.5 ampere discharge















    1 ampere discharge















    2 ampere discharge















    5 ampere discharge



    Not all batteries can sustain 5 ampere discharge and few batteries are rated for it. Because some curves are missing the color of the curves are different from above.















    Curves and pictures for each cell





    The individual curves are here





    Notes



    For all battery types I have tested two different cells, they are called A and B in the graphs. All cells have been charged on a hobby charger with half the marked capacity as charge current and the charge is stopped when the current is 1/10 of the charge current. I.e. if the battery is marked 3000mAh it is charged with 1500mA and the charge is stopped when the current is down to 150mA. (Note: For Samsung at 4.35 volt I used another charger).

    This charge method will not reach the maximum capacity of the batteries, there might be space for a few mAh more. Batteries that are marked with too high capacity will be penalized with this charging method.



    When I only use one curve for a battery, it is the curve from battery A.



    All the discharging is done on a CBA and I frequently verify that the reading from the CBA matches readings taking with a voltmeter directly over the cell.



    Both capacity and energy is done in one discharge, capacity is a summation of the current, energy is a summation of current*voltage.



    Cytac batteries were supplied by Cytac for a review.
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    Default Re: 18650 battery test with capacity curves for many cells

    This is Google's cache of http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=308451&page=1 as it appeared on Feb 26, 2011 17:26:26 GMT.

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    Re: 18650 battery test with capacity curves for many cellsWritten by jasonck08 on 01-26-2011 02:28 PM GMTGreat overall test comparison. I would like to point out that the tests of the 2900mAh cells were only discharged to 2.80v (not 2.50v). At high discharge currents like 5A there is about 200-250mAh capacity left @ 2.8v.

    Re: 18650 battery test with capacity curves for many cellsWritten by HKJ on 01-26-2011 02:38 PM GMT
    Quote Originally Posted by jasonck08
    Great overall test comparison. I would like to point out that the tests of the 2900mAh cells were only discharged to 2.80v (not 2.50v). At high discharge currents like 5A there is about 200-250mAh capacity left @ 2.8v.
    But not all light will be able to use that capacity. Some lights will not even be able to drain the battery down to 2.8 volt, mostly lights with build in protection for LiIon batteries! But not all light will be able to use that capacity. Some lights will not even be able to drain the battery down to 2.8 volt, mostly lights with build in protection for LiIon batteries!

    Re: 18650 battery test with capacity curves for many cellsWritten by jasonck08 on 01-26-2011 03:50 PM GMT
    Quote Originally Posted by HKJ
    But not all light will be able to use that capacity. Some lights will not even be able to drain the battery down to 2.8 volt, mostly lights with build in protection for LiIon batteries!
    True, but most lights that accept 2 or 3 cells, will be able to drain the cell down to 2.50v. True, but most lights that accept 2 or 3 cells, will be able to drain the cell down to 2.50v.

    Re: 18650 battery test with capacity curves for many cellsWritten by etc on 01-26-2011 05:20 PM GMTMost excellent job here.

    Re: 18650 battery test with capacity curves for many cellsWritten by Vbeez on 01-26-2011 06:28 PM GMTGreat review, as always. Thanks

    Re: 18650 battery test with capacity curves for many cellsWritten by boboweb on 01-29-2011 08:23 AM GMTOutstanding reviewHKJ ! You done a lot of hard work - thank you very much !

    Re: 18650 battery test with capacity curves for many cellsWritten by Shinpu on 01-29-2011 08:17 PM GMTexcellent post, thanks for the massive time invested.btw what happened to the Cytac 2600 (blue)?

    Re: 18650 battery test with capacity curves for many cellsWritten by Loben on 01-29-2011 10:39 PM GMTThanks for this review!BTW, where can I get the cytac red 2900 battery?Please show me the link of it!ThanksBen

    Re: 18650 battery test with capacity curves for many cellsWritten by HKJ on 01-30-2011 01:22 AM GMT
    Quote Originally Posted by Shinpu
    excellent post, thanks for the massive time invested.btw what happened to the Cytac 2600 (blue)?
    They will be added in a few weeks. They will be added in a few weeks.
    Quote Originally Posted by Loben
    Thanks for this review!BTW, where can I get the cytac red 2900 battery?Please show me the link of it!ThanksBen
    I believe that the batteries are new for Cytac and that they will show up in some shops soon, but due to Chinese New Year I can not ask them just now. I believe that the batteries are new for Cytac and that they will show up in some shops soon, but due to Chinese New Year I can not ask them just now.

    Re: 18650 battery test with capacity curves for many cellsWritten by Colonel Sanders on 01-30-2011 04:20 PM GMTVery nice! And very interesting. Thanks for taking the time to do this.

    Re: 18650 battery test with capacity curves for many cellsWritten by jorinr on 01-30-2011 08:46 PM GMTThank you for the detailed charts! I have been trying to decide on some new batteries to buy for several of my lights and this helps a lot!

    Re: 18650 battery test with capacity curves for many cellsWritten by radellaf on 01-30-2011 09:51 PM GMTGreat data - thanks for running these tests. The energy loss graph is a new one to me.Any chance of full resolution versions of these pics? Even the 1024 from a free flickr account would help.Is it the Redilast 2600 the one that is maintaining such a high voltage on the 2A curves? There are so many colors it is a bit hard to tell. If so, anyone know if the cell in there is the LG Chem 2600? (since I have some of those, unprotected) For my SST MG P-Rocket I need a slight edge on voltage (to maintain 2.5A on Hi), especially if I can't find a way to charge the special 4.35V cells up past 4.2V. Right now best I could do is buy the 4.35 version of the Microchip 500mA charger IC and the Sparkfun USB charger, but that's $40+, bunch of work, and only 500mA. I'm hoping the Yezl XM-L light is less picky.Overall, if I had to buy more cells, the Tenergy 2600 seem to come off well here, though the diameter might not work in the SC60.

    Re: 18650 battery test with capacity curves for many cellsWritten by HKJ on 01-30-2011 10:50 PM GMT
    Quote Originally Posted by radellaf
    The energy loss graph is a new one to me.
    Also to me. I wanted a way to visualize the load handling ability of the cells, that was more obvious than the capacity and energy bar. Also to me. I wanted a way to visualize the load handling ability of the cells, that was more obvious than the capacity and energy bar.
    Quote Originally Posted by radellaf
    Any chance of full resolution versions of these pics? Even the 1024 from a free flickr account would help.
    What is it that you want in higher resolution? What is it that you want in higher resolution?
    Quote Originally Posted by radellaf
    Is it the Redilast 2600 the one that is maintaining such a high voltage on the 2A curves? There are so many colors it is a bit hard to tell.
    Looking at the chart for Redilast, it confirms that they are good at holding a high voltage at 2A load. Looking at the chart for Redilast, it confirms that they are good at holding a high voltage at 2A load.

    Re: 18650 battery test with capacity curves for many cellsWritten by radellaf on 01-31-2011 11:20 PM GMTThe charts - could email me if you have them readily at hand. I'm just trying to I.D. the lines by color, and at this res the JPEG artifacts make it so I can't do it with the eyedropper tool in Photoshop (to match colors).Mostly, on "Capacity at 2A", I'd like to know which one is holding a higher voltage than all the rest from just past 500mAh out to 2Ah. It stands out. Color could be Redi 2600, but it's so far off from AW 2600 that I don't think that's right.

    Re: 18650 battery test with capacity curves for many cellsWritten by HKJ on 02-01-2011 09:43 AM GMT
    Quote Originally Posted by radellaf
    The charts - could email me if you have them readily at hand. I'm just trying to I.D. the lines by color, and at this res the JPEG artifacts make it so I can't do it with the eyedropper tool in Photoshop (to match colors).Mostly, on "Capacity at 2A", I'd like to know which one is holding a higher voltage than all the rest from just past 500mAh out to 2Ah. It stands out. Color could be Redi 2600, but it's so far off from AW 2600 that I don't think that's right.
    There are no jpg artifacts in the curves (They are not in a compressed image format). The steps in the curve is the resolution from the CBA (10mV). Here is a chart with a few of the cells: There are no jpg artifacts in the curves (They are not in a compressed image format). The steps in the curve is the resolution from the CBA (10mV). Here is a chart with a few of the cells:

    Re: 18650 battery test with capacity curves for many cellsWritten by radellaf on 02-01-2011 07:15 PM GMTOK, if I download the image, enlarge it, and use the color sampler then yes, color #5555FF is the RediLast 2600. Cool.Anyone know what cell is inside that?

    Re: 18650 battery test with capacity curves for many cellsWritten by darklord on 02-02-2011 05:00 AM GMTDid you ever manage to get a graph for the CYTAC 2600 BLUE....?? These are available here in the UK so I'm interested.You say they were supplied by Cytac for a 'review'....is this the review, or is the review somewhere else??Anyone know or rate this battery?

    Re: 18650 battery test with capacity curves for many cellsWritten by HKJ on 02-02-2011 06:14 AM GMT
    Quote Originally Posted by darklord
    Did you ever manage to get a graph for the CYTAC 2600 BLUE....?? These are available here in the UK so I'm interested.
    The curves will be added later, but Cytac supplied the wrong batteries (There was 2900mAh in my 2600mAh wrappers). The curves will be added later, but Cytac supplied the wrong batteries (There was 2900mAh in my 2600mAh wrappers).
    Quote Originally Posted by darklord
    You say they were supplied by Cytac for a 'review'....is this the review, or is the review somewhere else??
    This is part of it, I am also working on something like this with only Cytac batteries, but including some other sizes. This is part of it, I am also working on something like this with only Cytac batteries, but including some other sizes.There will not be any review with test in different lights, but if anybody want to know if a battery fits in a specific light that I have (Many of them can be seen on my website), just ask, and I will check.

    Re: 18650 battery test with capacity curves for many cellsWritten by RepProdigious on 02-02-2011 06:43 AM GMT
    Quote Originally Posted by HKJ
    There was 2900mAh in my 2600mAh wrappers
    I wouldn't complain if that ever happened to me I wouldn't complain if that ever happened to me

    Re: 18650 battery test with capacity curves for many cellsWritten by LEDAdd1ct on 02-02-2011 01:17 PM GMTThank you for all your hard work!:-)

    Re: 18650 battery test with capacity curves for many cellsWritten by jsr on 02-04-2011 11:02 AM GMTExcellent info HKJ! I don't know where to get most of those cells, but the Tenergy cells are readily available here and lower priced than the Redilast and AW cells and they seem to perform quite well.

    Re: 18650 battery test with capacity curves for many cellsWritten by 357mag1 on 02-06-2011 09:45 AM GMTI have Tenergy cells that perform very well and I have Tenergy cells that perform poorly (though better than most of my Ultrafire). I have some AW cells that don't perform that well though they are consistently better than other Chinese cells. Poor quality control plagues all Chinese cells that I have used including Nimh AA - D size.I now only buy Panasonic, Sanyo or LG 18650s and the quality from cell to cell is great. I know they don't have protection but half of my protected cells circuits don't appear to work consistently anyway.I feel safe using quality cells and taking proper precautions. Safer than I do using questionable quality cells with band-aids (protection circuits). It would be awesome if some of the above mentioned unprotected cells could be included in the test.

    Re: 18650 battery test with capacity curves for many cellsWritten by HKJ on 02-07-2011 12:01 AM GMTAW uses Panasonic cells in their 2900 mAh batteries.I would like to add more cells to the test, but I need a place to get them, without paying a fortune in shipping! If anybody has some good ideas, use PM to tell me.

    Re: 18650 battery test with capacity curves for many cellsWritten by Helmut.G on 02-07-2011 11:34 AM GMTanother awesome test HJK!

    Re: 18650 battery test with capacity curves for many cellsWritten by HKJ on 02-08-2011 01:00 AM GMTI got a good link to get unprotected "Panasonic NCR18650 2900mAh" and "Samsung ICR18650-30A 3000", they will be added when I have receive and tested them.Other links or ideas for batteries are welcome.

    Re: 18650 battery test with capacity curves for many cellsWritten by jasonck08 on 02-08-2011 03:14 AM GMTDo you have the equipment to charge a 4.35v cell?

    Re: 18650 battery test with capacity curves for many cellsWritten by HKJ on 02-08-2011 03:48 AM GMT
    Quote Originally Posted by jasonck08
    Do you have the equipment to charge a 4.35v cell?
    I have some advanced power supplies, but they would not charge in a predictable way (I would not be able to automatic stop at a minimum current). I have some advanced power supplies, but they would not charge in a predictable way (I would not be able to automatic stop at a minimum current). The best predictable solution I have is some iChargers that can charge to 4.3 volt

    Re: 18650 battery test with capacity curves for many cellsWritten by jasonck08 on 02-08-2011 03:34 PM GMT
    Quote Originally Posted by HKJ
    I have some advanced power supplies, but they would not charge in a predictable way (I would not be able to automatic stop at a minimum current). The best predictable solution I have is some iChargers that can charge to 4.3 volt
    I saw that the iCharger can charge to 4.20-4.30v. I was wondering if you can also calibrate it incorrectly so it would read 4.30v on the screen but actual charge voltage might be 4.33 or something. 4.30v vs 4.35v there might be 3-5% difference. I saw that the iCharger can charge to 4.20-4.30v. I was wondering if you can also calibrate it incorrectly so it would read 4.30v on the screen but actual charge voltage might be 4.33 or something. 4.30v vs 4.35v there might be 3-5% difference.Also, are there different iCharger models? Can all charge to 4.30v? What model do you have?

    Re: 18650 battery test with capacity curves for many cellsWritten by HKJ on 02-08-2011 03:53 PM GMT
    Quote Originally Posted by jasonck08
    I saw that the iCharger can charge to 4.20-4.30v. I was wondering if you can also calibrate it incorrectly so it would read 4.30v on the screen but actual charge voltage might be 4.33 or something. 4.30v vs 4.35v there might be 3-5% difference.
    It is possible to change the calibration, but I do not know if I want to do that. It is possible to change the calibration, but I do not know if I want to do that.
    Quote Originally Posted by jasonck08
    Also, are there different iCharger models? Can all charge to 4.30v? What model do you have?
    There a a couple of different models, and the software is nearly equal in all models. I believe all can be adjusted to 4.3 volt, but I have not checked all the manuals. There a a couple of different models, and the software is nearly equal in all models. I believe all can be adjusted to 4.3 volt, but I have not checked all the manuals.I have two 208B:
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    Default Re: 18650 battery test with capacity curves for many cells

    More great work HKJ. Thank you much.

    Just curious though, with the new Cree XM-L T6 being driven at 3A, why did you skip the 3A test this time?

    Also, I picked up a CBA II and am running the CBAII & CBAIII Software Version 2.1. What software did you use this time?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvette6769 View Post
    More great work HKJ. Thank you much.
    And I must thank you for restoring the discussion in the thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by Corvette6769 View Post
    Just curious though, with the new Cree XM-L T6 being driven at 3A, why did you skip the 3A test this time?
    Time and it is always possible to interpolate between the 2 and 5 ampere trace. You must also remember that most lights uses a buck or boost driver that will change the current, i.e. running the ML-L at 3A with two 18650 in series (or parallel) would only draw about 1.5A.

    Quote Originally Posted by Corvette6769 View Post
    Also, I picked up a CBA II and am running the CBAII & CBAIII Software Version 2.1. What software did you use this time?
    I am using the CBA III with the supplied software, then I save the data in CSV format and uses my own software to make the curves. For the actual curve drawing I uses a package called JFreeChart. This way all my curves has exactly the same size and format and it is easy to make global changes or plot any combination of cells.
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    Thanks HKJ
    The most comprehensive battery comparison thread I've seen
    Nice work providing the information

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    I have updated the comparison with Panasonic 2900, Samsung 3000 cells and gray TrustFire 2400. The Samsung is tested at both 4.2 volt and 4.35 volt charge.
    The missing test for Cytac 2600 has also been added.
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    Default Re: 18650 battery test with capacity curves for many cells

    Quote Originally Posted by HKJ View Post
    I have updated the comparison with Panasonic 2900, Samsung 3000 cells and gray TrustFire 2400.
    Please post photos also
    Are you mean Panasonic NCR18650?
    http://industrial.panasonic.com/www-...+NCR18650+7+WW

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    To keep the size down and make updates easier, the section with photos (Up to 5 of each cell) and individual curves are not included here, but only on my website.

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    Default Re: 18650 battery test with capacity curves for many cells

    Great thread. Wish this forum had "a sticky of stickies," one file at the top that linked to important reference files within. I'd nominate this thread on the sticky-of-stickies list.

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    Default Re: 18650 battery test with capacity curves for many cells

    Thank you for that great thread. Makes it a bit easier to find the right battery...

    One question arose for me when I had a look at the graph:

    Any idea why the RediLast 2900 and the Trustfire TF2400 are so similar. The capacity, at least from the specs, is quite different...

    thank you
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    Quote Originally Posted by teefix View Post
    One question arose for me when I had a look at the graph:

    Any idea why the RediLast 2900 and the Trustfire TF2400 are so similar. The capacity, at least from the specs, is quite different...
    Similar? You must be mixing the curves (That is very easy with the number of curves in the chart).
    Try looking at the individual charts, there it is much easier to see the actual capacity curves.
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    Default Re: 18650 battery test with capacity curves for many cells

    Couldn't find this anywhere - do those Samsung icr18650 30a have a protection circuit?

    Thanks.

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    ok... so all those pretty graphs, and hard work are to be commended..........
    my questions is......
    which one is the best !! ???
    how did they rank ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nodoubt View Post
    ok... so all those pretty graphs, and hard work are to be commended..........
    my questions is......
    which one is the best !! ???
    how did they rank ?
    That depends on what parameters you look at, for high capacity protected cells the AW2900 and RediLast2900 are some of the best.
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    Default Re: 18650 battery test with capacity curves for many cells

    Thanks HKJ, that's a lot of useful data.

    I can't decide which cheap battery buy to use in low power flashlight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Budda View Post
    I can't decide which cheap battery buy to use in low power flashlight.
    For cheap batteries many people has had good luck with Trustfire TF2400 (Black/red) also called "Flame".
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    Default Re: 18650 battery test with capacity curves for many cells

    I have used hundreds of #18650 cells in various UV lights I have built.

    The "no-name" cells with protection circuits were UNRELIABLE.

    I now only use "name brand" cells (Sanyo, LG, Samsung, Panasonic) which have passed the U.L. #1642 testing for safety.

    Capacity after a hundred cycles or more is much better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LEDite View Post
    I have used hundreds of #18650 cells in various UV lights I have built.

    The "no-name" cells with protection circuits were UNRELIABLE.

    I now only use "name brand" cells (Sanyo, LG, Samsung, Panasonic) which have passed the U.L. #1642 testing for safety.

    Capacity after a hundred cycles or more is much better.

    LEDite
    A sensible policy. My understanding is that AW & Redilast are using Panasonic cells with their PCB circuit added.

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    HJK, thanks for all the work. I don't mean to sound petty, but putting the legends for the curves on a white background (vs. the color of the graph plots above), makes it impossible for me to identify which curve belongs to which battery.

    I know I can look at individual cells, but seeing the comparison plots together also gives easier ability to do cross comparisons. I wonder if whatever discharge software you are using can change the legend background color and/or thicken the lines for better contrast?

    Essentially what I am trying to respectfully say is that as much time as I know you spent getting all these results, I really want to be fully able to use and appreciate your results--especially the comparisons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LuxLuthor View Post
    HJK, thanks for all the work. I don't mean to sound petty, but putting the legends for the curves on a white background (vs. the color of the graph plots above), makes it impossible for me to identify which curve belongs to which battery.

    I know I can look at individual cells, but seeing the comparison plots together also gives easier ability to do cross comparisons. I wonder if whatever discharge software you are using can change the legend background color and/or thicken the lines for better contrast?

    Essentially what I am trying to respectfully say is that as much time as I know you spent getting all these results, I really want to be fully able to use and appreciate your results--especially the comparisons.

    I can probably change the background for the legend, but I do not believe that will help much, there are way to many curves in these comparisons charts.
    I have been thinking about make a extra document where I split the batteries up in maybe 3 groups and make a set of charts for each group.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HKJ View Post
    I can probably change the background for the legend, but I do not believe that will help much, there are way to many curves in these comparisons charts.
    I have been thinking about make a extra document where I split the batteries up in maybe 3 groups and make a set of charts for each group.
    I have no right to ask you to do any more work than you have already contributed, but ran into a similar scenario doing discharge tests using the CBA-II software. I did screenshots of the final combined tests, then found a place to add a color matched text label in a larger font. Just an idea, meant in the most appreciative and diplomatic way possible--because I know how much work and time you spent on all those and want to see and use it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LuxLuthor View Post
    I have no right to ask you to do any more work than you have already contributed, but ran into a similar scenario doing discharge tests using the CBA-II software. I did screenshots of the final combined tests, then found a place to add a color matched text label in a larger font. Just an idea, meant in the most appreciative and diplomatic way possible--because I know how much work and time you spent on all those and want to see and use it.
    I do not believe it would be possible to label the curves in my combined charts, there are to many. Next problem is that I have to regenerate the chart when adding a new battery, with the current format it is automatic. If I had to do some editing on each chart it would be a lot of work.
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    I never trust those damnfire battery nor expected them to have a rated capacity
    but the UF 3600mah is overly bluffed(or even exceeded the limit of capacity of 18650)
    Whats the difference btwn 2 purple Panda$onic 18650?

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    Certainly as far as commercially available cells of standard chemistry are concerned, 3600mAh cannot currently be achieved with a li-ion cell. These and Ultrafire's 4000mAh are just a flight of fancy to attract people who don't know any better. Even UF's 3000mAh - a capacity that is achievable - are highly overrated. There may well be other brands of cell that can achieve a genuine 3000mAh capacity, but with the UF cells, you may only see a half of that capacity (depending to some degree on the discharge rate of course).

    I believe the difference between the two *Samsung* cells is that one has been charged to 4.2v prior to discharge, the other charged to 4.35v. Some of the the newer, high capacity cells, are made to be charged to higher voltages (and some to be discharged to lower voltages), and need to be so in order to achieve their full rated capacity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jh333233 View Post
    Whats the difference btwn 2 purple Panda$onic 18650?
    Quote Originally Posted by Stephen Wallace View Post
    I believe the difference between the two *Samsung* cells is that one has been charged to 4.2v prior to discharge, the other charged to 4.35v.
    Stephen has the correct answer, the Samsung cell is designed for 4.35 volt, but I also tried it at 4.2 volt to see how much capacity is lost when using a normal LiIon charger.
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    Great review and oversight of this very nice type of batteries.
    With my RRT-3 triple XM-L to arrive, some spare 18650'would be very nice :-)

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    Default Re: 18650 battery test with capacity curves for many cells

    nice job henrik

    so whaddabout SANYO cells or XTAC 2600mAh?

    And what are the comparison results? Which are the Top3?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kreisler View Post
    so whaddabout SANYO cells or XTAC 2600mAh?
    The question is if I add more cells to this roundup, or start a new one. I have been building a new test station that has better precision and is more automated.

    Quote Originally Posted by kreisler View Post
    And what are the comparison results? Which are the Top3?
    That depends on what parameters you look at:

    For capacity or energy you just look at the bar graphs and pick the one with the longest bar, at the current you need.
    If you want reliability and safety you stay away from the cheap cells.

    If you have a light that drops out of regulation at a specific voltage, you might want to study the curves and find the battery with highest capacity/energy, before it goes below that voltage.
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