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    Default H11 and 9005 upgrade

    I tried to post this in an old thread and it vanished into the ether...

    But, I've traded the Jeep and its wonderful headlights, driving lights, floodlights, etc with it.
    It was sad but the dang little-engine-that-couldn't just didn't pull my trailer reliably.

    Now I've got a new Power Wagon with horrible H11 lows and 9005 highs. What to do, what to do.

    Scheinwerfermann had said in another thread that an H9 could fit an H11 socket with "modification" ----- what's the mod and can my stock plastic/wires take the additional load and heat?

    Awesome truck, btw.
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    Default Re: H11 and 9005 upgrade

    Quote Originally Posted by Hilldweller View Post
    I tried to post this in an old thread and it vanished into the ether...

    But, I've traded the Jeep and its wonderful headlights, driving lights, floodlights, etc with it.
    It was sad but the dang little-engine-that-couldn't just didn't pull my trailer reliably.

    Now I've got a new Power Wagon with horrible H11 lows and 9005 highs. What to do, what to do.
    The no-brainer (or not so much of a brainer) for the highs is to go with HIR.


    Scheinwerfermann had said in another thread that an H9 could fit an H11 socket with "modification" ----- what's the mod and can my stock plastic/wires take the additional load and heat?
    There's a writeup with details on the basemod here. If there is no bulb shield in the factory low beams, and the H9 doesn't have blacktop/silvertop/whatevercolortop, the mod is ill-advised. Also, you and most everyone here know this, but for the edification of newcomers: Those "4000K Hyper White" bulbs are a cruel joke!

    As far as heat-- it's only 10W (nominal) higher input for the H9.

    Measuring the voltage drop now will give an indication of how much resistance your wiring is giving you-- if there's significant loss with a 55W bulb it'll worsen with the 65W bulb.

    Awesome truck, btw.
    It's a beaut, for sure! Sorry to hear that the Jeep's going away, though...

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    Default Re: H11 and 9005 upgrade

    Quote Originally Posted by Alaric Darconville View Post
    The no-brainer (or not so much of a brainer) for the highs is to go with HIR.
    Which one? Is it a direct fit?
    This is new ground for me; I've been a 7" round guy for years...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hilldweller View Post
    Which one? Is it a direct fit?
    This is new ground for me; I've been a 7" round guy for years...
    Very nearly a direct fit-- there's a minor base modification to a tab, but the bulb shank is the same diameter, so there are no issues with fitment and vibration once you've trimmed down a tab. If you can use a Dremel, or are good with toenail clippers, you'll do just fine. See here for details.

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    Okay, I see.
    And the HIR bulb? The product from Candlepower store is a good one?

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    Default Re: H11 and 9005 upgrade

    From searching older posts looking for Scheinwerfermann's wisdom, it looks like the Toshiba HIR1 is just fine.
    EDIT: OOPS, it's not "just fine" (my Kung Foo Grep is weak today)
    Last edited by Alaric Darconville; 04-13-2011 at 10:50 AM. Reason: I was *wrong* about something! :)

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    No, you want a Philips HIR1. The Toshiba product was discontinued in Q4 2009, and the last couple of production runs had very inconsistent quality to put it diplomatically.

    It's likely an H9 will fit directly into the headlamp without any mods to the lamp or the bulb base tabs. You may have to dremel a plastic ridge or two out of the electrical receptacle part of the H9 bulb to accept the H11 socket. This mod may not work acceptably in those headlamps; do one side first and go for a night drive, paying careful attention to glare above the cutoff and placement of the hot spot. That truck has a horizontal cutoff with no upkick on the right (it's a VOR-type low beam), which means you will likely really be zapping other drivers with heavy-duty glare unless you aim the lamps carefully and conservatively according to their mount height.

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    The aim on the lights is very load dependant; no self-leveling device. You'd think that it would be mandatory on a heavy-duty truck...

    I might go with the Osram Night Breakers instead; I cleaned the inside of the (vast) windshield this morning and it made a remarkable difference. Another thing skipped in the dealer prep, btw.

    And I used the foglights in the fog this morning for the first time.
    Crikey. They work.
    I thought they were ornamental types but they're really good reflectors, well-aimed, and have 9145 bulbs. They belted light out to the sides like morning was upon me. If only the headlights had that sort of enthusiasm.


    Quote Originally Posted by Scheinwerfermann View Post
    No, you want a Philips HIR1.
    Where?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hilldweller View Post
    The aim on the lights is very load dependant
    For the sake of traffic safety, please do not put H9s in your low beams for that exact reason -- unless you are prepared to get out and aim the lamps down whenever the truck has a load!

    no self-leveling device. You'd think that it would be mandatory on a heavy-duty truck...
    What are you, some kind of Euro-weenie communist or something? (NOTE TO MODERATORS: This is a joke. I bet my next paycheck that Hilldweller gets it and thinks it's funny. It is not intended to insult him or anyone else, nor is it intended as a slam against Europeans or Communists or weenies.)

    I might go with the Osram Night Breakers instead
    Smarter idea, I think.

    And I used the foglights in the fog this morning for the first time.
    Crikey. They work.
    Greattt...so they give you auxiliary lights that work and main lights that don't.

    Where?
    Philips HIR1 in the high beams. You can get it from a GM dealer under p/n 15094219.

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    I do wheel with some Euro-weenies... The Swiss ones are especially compliant with all regulations.

    I ordered the Night Breakers and wussed-out and ordered Range Powers for the highbeams. Compared to the stock Jeep lighting I had much less to complain about in the first place.

    I am going to think about a light bar now and something to supplement the highs as well as maybe putting my HIDs on for use offroad.
    I have to see what fits, if this thing uses PWM to manage the highbeam circuit, etc. Rallylights built me a nice harness to obviate the PWM on the Jeep...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hilldweller View Post
    wussed-out and ordered Range Powers for the highbeams.
    How come?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scheinwerfermann View Post
    How come?
    Simplicity. Plain and simple.

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    It'd be nice if autolevelling headlights were part of the "towing package", or required for trucks of a certain class (1/2 ton or larger, or something).

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    My brain is still back in the days when trucks had big flat grilles. For years, I've wanted a grille or bulkhead that held my headlights, driving lights, fog lights, and was mounted with a bottom hinge and top adjustment screw/bolt (or vice versa). There's no reason that one couldn't have a simple mechanical "master elevation" control knob inside the cab that would make elevation correction easy. Aim all of your lights correctly with the truck empty; after the forklift sets that pallet of Sakrete in the back, just turn the knob a bit and correct your aim for the trip home.

    But alas, our vehicles are no longer shaped with big flat front ends. I guess that dreamed was destined not to be.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamilton Felix View Post
    My brain is still back in the days when trucks had big flat grilles. For years, I've wanted a grille or bulkhead that held my headlights, driving lights, fog lights, and was mounted with a bottom hinge and top adjustment screw/bolt (or vice versa). There's no reason that one couldn't have a simple mechanical "master elevation" control knob inside the cab that would make elevation correction easy. Aim all of your lights correctly with the truck empty; after the forklift sets that pallet of Sakrete in the back, just turn the knob a bit and correct your aim for the trip home.

    But alas, our vehicles are no longer shaped with big flat front ends. I guess that dreamed was destined not to be.....
    I owned 3 motorcylces with headlight adjustment on the dash; two of them had slick button-controlled motors and one had a knob.
    I don't think that Americans would adjust them correctly though; auto-leveling would be the only way.
    Since bulb replacement would skew performance, it would have to be only for HID or LED...
    ...bring on the LEDs already...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hilldweller View Post
    Since bulb replacement would skew performance, it would have to be only for HID or LED...
    ...bring on the LEDs already...
    Bulb replacement *shouldn't* skew performance if the correct bulb is installed. The tolerances on the shanks and keying tabs and the filament placement and all that should be pretty darn accurate. What skews performance most is vibration, impact, collisions, suspension problems, and that big bag of Sakrete in the back.

    But people trying to decide between getting a heated gas pedal or autolevelling headlights will go for the heated gas pedal 80% of the time...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alaric Darconville View Post
    But people trying to decide between getting a heated gas pedal or autolevelling headlights will go for the heated gas pedal 80% of the time...
    My old MINI had self-leveling "Xenon" lights.
    Should be mandatory...

    Don't you just hate BMW for calling them Xenon instead of HID?

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    Why is it Rallylights,Candlepower,etc sell the Philips low beam 9012, but do not offer the Philips 9011 high beam HIR bulb?

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    Air shocks or air bags(my preference) in the rear + cheapy 12v cigarette lighter tire inflator = manually leveled headlights. Easy enough to run the filler lines to a schrader valve under the rear bumper or some other convenient spot.
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    At least you have 'quad beam' headlights instead of the lesser H13 dual beams.

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    I don't know, it might well be kind of a tough call at least on low beam. I haven't looked at those two particular lamps so I can't comment specifically, but the H13 lamp has a much larger active reflector area. The quad-beam lamps are almost certainly better on high beam. It'd certainly be possible for either or both of those lamps to be rather bad or objectively good; I'd have to see 'em.

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    I see the point about people not correctly adjusting an inside elevation control. And the bikes sound interesting. My little DL650 has adjustable rear suspension, though it can only do so much if you add a passenger and luggage.

    If I ever get time, maybe I'll figure out how to put elevation adjustment on my old 1986 F250, perhaps a hinged custom grille. Tomorrow, on my way home from work I'll swap to the empty F250 (parked at my Rocky Creek house), then go to Darrington Hardware and have them set a 3,400 lb. pallet of concrete mix in the truck. It will go the few blocks home in daylight. I don't know yet if Saturday's schedule will have me leaving for work in darkness or daylight (hope for the latter), but I'll be dropping the heavily loaded truck off on my way. This is precisely the application I had in mind. The ordinarily low aimed lights of the pickup are sure to be aimed high with that load. It would be NICE if a few turns of a knob in the cab could correct the elevation for all front lights.

    I recall test driving an Alfa Romeo sedan in 1977. The American market version had quad 5.75" headlights. Small levers just outboard of each high/low headlight were intended to be moved downward if one changed from 1-2 occupants to a full passenger load. In 1978, the same car had self-leveling suspension. I'd go with air lifts on the rear of my truck, too, but air adjustable suspension is not all that common in everyday vehicles. (BTW, shock mounts are not meant to carry weight, so air shocks are more chancy than air bags inside the coil springs.)

    Hmm.... looking at the pretty Dodge at the top of the page, noting the depth of the bumper and the lights inset into said bumper. Imagine a bumper that supported both fog and driving lights, and was designed for elevation adjustment. If the bumper brackets were held to the frame with pairs of transverse bolts, it might take only loosening (slightly, then using locknuts) of the lower bolts and replacing the upper bolts with longitudinal threaded adjusters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Diesel_Bomber View Post
    Air shocks or air bags(my preference) in the rear + cheapy 12v cigarette lighter tire inflator = manually leveled headlights. Easy enough to run the filler lines to a schrader valve under the rear bumper or some other convenient spot.
    I tried airbags 3 times on the Jeep and they failed every time I got the suspension flexing offroad. It might work better on the PW with the leafsprings in back but I doubt that I'll ever have enough of a load to justify it.
    Most of the grunt of this truck will be for getting up hills and over rocks while pulling the teardrop.

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    Air bags aren't meant for severe flexing like your Jeep, but quality air bags will absolutely handle all the travel stock leaf springs will allow. It's your truck of course, but to me, enough load to change the aim of the headlights is enough load to justify air bags.
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    This is about as "loaded" and it will get.

    Last edited by -Virgil-; 02-07-2018 at 09:16 PM.

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    Yeah, never mind then.
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    Found this gem of a thread looking for h7 and h11 upgrades just thought i'd bump it beacause i enjoyed the read

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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonOk View Post
    Found this gem of a thread looking for h7 and h11 upgrades just thought i'd bump it beacause i enjoyed the read
    The best H7 at the moment is this one, and the best H11 at the moment is this one.

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    Thanks vigirl

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    Quote Originally Posted by -Virgil- View Post
    The best H7 at the moment is this one, and the best H11 at the moment is this one.
    Better than Racing Vision in H7 and X-Treme Vision / Night Breaker Laser in H11?

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