ZebraLight H502 XM-L

[JA(me)S]

Where is the link to Zebralight new upcoming models?

Here ya go...

- Jas.

[Bolster]

So, not to put too fine a point on it, there are no plans here for another 18650 headlamp. Maybe the H60w was the end of the line.

Frankly I don't blame ZL if so; who wants the potential of a lithium accident a few millimeters away from a person's brain?

[hazna]

So, not to put too fine a point on it, there are no plans here for another 18650 headlamp. Maybe the H60w was the end of the line.

Frankly I don't blame ZL if so; who wants the potential of a lithium accident a few millimeters away from a person's brain?

You know mobile phones and a lot of modern devices also use li-ion batteries...

[pjandyho]

You know mobile phones and a lot of modern devices also use li-ion batteries...

That was what I thought too but we can't omit the fact that there have already been a few cases of Li-Ion batteries exploding in flashlights. Personally, I try to use batteries from AW which are known to be safe and reliable so as to minimize any chance of an accident happening.

[Bolster]

You know mobile phones and a lot of modern devices also use li-ion batteries...

Correct. Li-ion isn't inherently dangerous. But with a cell phone, it generally isn't up to the user to find and purchase the cells and the charger as a do-it-yourself project; charge/discharge rates aren't generally a choice given to the user; and circuitry and battery quality are often tightly controlled by the device manufacturer. I'm aware that there are millions (or whatever the number is) of perfectly safe usages of li-ion to every venting episode, and venting episodes are rarely ever life-threatening. The risk is very, very low, especially if the user is moderately careful with a single cell 18650.

My post is more a question about the business risk-management calculations that ZL may or may not be making, rather than the inherent safety of the 18650. I'm not intending to go Off Topic on 18650s. For my part, I hope ZL DOES make an H601 or H602; I'd buy it! But I'm curious whether they're making a liability calculation at the same time, and if so, it wouldn't surprise me. Remember, it's an American company, with most of its product made in China, one of which is designed around a powerful energy cell that's not completely idiot-proof. Could you find a higher-profile target for litigation...I can hear the lawyers drooling. We Americans are not big on personal responsibility when something goes wrong; it's S.O.P. to sue anyone remotely involved in an accident that I myself may have caused...more's the pity.

[JA(me)S]

Any plans for an XM-L version of the H61?

Yes, but was planned for next year.

That's fine with me...at least I know that an XM-L H61 is definitely in the works. Thank you.

So, not to put too fine a point on it, there are no plans here for another 18650 headlamp. Maybe the H60w was the end of the line.

ZL's roadmap only goes out to Q1 2012. If there were no plans for an XM-L H61, ZebraLight would have responded negatively to HIDblue's question. Instead, he answered affirmatively, but with either a release date in mind that exceeds the timeline in the provided roadmap, or with thoughts of adding it to the roadmap later. The roadmap is, most likely, a fluid document.

(edit: However, any chatter regarding tort law may reduce the likelihood of said light - so )

- Jas.

[Bolster]

...If there were no plans for an XM-L H61, ZebraLight would have responded negatively to Hidblue's question....

Then there's hope! Woot!

[JA(me)S]

Then there's hope! Woot!

That's what I've been trying to say! Keep the faith - it'll happen!

- Jas.

[Outdoorsman5]

This is such good news. I recently got a H501w, and love it....just wished it was brighter. I almost bought two (one for my wife to read with.) Glad I didn't cuz I will hold out for the new one.

[pblanch]

Cant wait to see.

[Photonrunner]

Hope the 502 reverts back to 501's small form factor and light weight. 501 is an ideal light for running, not so much for the H51. Really the 501 is as big as I would want to go for use running. Improvement could be made to the head band as well to minimise bounce. The straps should connect to a stiffer material that is then backed by a soft foam to conform to the head. This would distribute the force from the head band over a larger contact area.

Would rather see a push towards longer runtimes in a smaller package then more lumen output with large heatsinks.

[moses]

Marking this page. Will be ordering the 502 when it's ready. Finally, they are making the light I've been waiting for from Zebralight.

[ECL]

Would rather see a push towards longer runtimes in a smaller package then more lumen output with large heatsinks.

I'm definitively Runtimes+form factor over lumen camp

[Bolster]

I'm definitively Runtimes+form factor over lumen camp

Same here.

[Gregozedobe]

Same here.

But isn't the whole point of the XM-L emitter that IS higher output ? Along with that goes higher current consumption, and more heat being produced, leading to a larger, heavier light with shorter run time. Not what I am looking for, but it may appeal to others

My preference would be for the same size H501 with better driver efficiency and more mid levels of illumination (and yes, I'm quite happy to have any disco modes shoved of somewhere in the UI where I won't come across them unless I want to)
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[Glock27]

You wouldn't have to run the XM-L at full power all the time. Increased run-time with the lower modes will be nice. Higher efficiency rulz!
G27

[ECL]

You wouldn't have to run the XM-L at full power all the time. Increased run-time with the lower modes will be nice. Higher efficiency rulz!
G27

But Higher output mean larger heatsink, therefore bigger and heavier headlamp.

[StandardBattery]

But Higher output mean larger heatsink, therefore bigger and heavier headlamp.

...But we don't know the max-output yet. As I understand it, this emitter combined with a new optic will provide more of a floody beam like the first ZebraLights. I'm sure it will be bigger and heavier than those initial ones, but if it's only running on a single AA it's not going to be that big and heavy.

I found when working on something like an engine which is dark, while kind of huge for s headlamp, the H60 had the output I wanted. I think this will be lighter weight than that.

I have a feeling this is going to be a GREAT headlamp because it brings back the near field flood beam, with enough output that it will be really useful in all sorts of situations. It's about balance and ZebraLight seems to have a design sense that I appreciate and respect. I think they'll get it right.

[uknewbie]

Hope the 502 reverts back to 501's small form factor and light weight. 501 is an ideal light for running, not so much for the H51. Really the 501 is as big as I would want to go for use running. Improvement could be made to the head band as well to minimise bounce. The straps should connect to a stiffer material that is then backed by a soft foam to conform to the head. This would distribute the force from the head band over a larger contact area.

Would rather see a push towards longer runtimes in a smaller package then more lumen output with large heatsinks.

I agree. The H51f for me was a major let down, and I quickly sold mine. Compared to the beam of my much loved and used H501, it was not in the same league.

H502, if kept like the H501's beam, and small enough, is a must buy! That's right, must :-)

[JA(me)S]

The H502 dimensions:

• Bezel diameter: .9" (same as the H51)
• Length: 2.9" (right between the H31 at 2.6" and H51 at 3.2")

The beam type will be all flood, very much like the H501.

- Jas.

[Bolster]

The H502 dimensions:

• Bezel diameter: .9" (same as the H51)
• Length: 2.9" (right between the H31 at 2.6" and H51 at 3.2")

...and...

The diameters of [the mid] section are 18.2mm (H502) and 16.5mm (H501).

[Outdoorsman5]

Hope the 502 reverts back to 501's small form factor and light weight. 501 is an ideal light for running, not so much for the H51. Really the 501 is as big as I would want to go for use running. Improvement could be made to the head band as well to minimise bounce. The straps should connect to a stiffer material that is then backed by a soft foam to conform to the head. This would distribute the force from the head band over a larger contact area.

Photonrunner, try using your H51 in a "Nite Ize" headband. Stiff & comfortable. Does not bounce around because the headband isn't elastic (nylon material.) Much more comfortable than anything else I've ever gone running with, and with the H51 rigged on it, it offers plenty of light. I've tried running with my H501w and it is just not bright enough for trail running.

[tre]

Sounds great. Another great Zebralight.

[Bolster]

Wait a second.

I got so caught up in the excitement of the new H502 I forgot to ask about TINT. Tint's important.

Do we have any idea if it's blue, pink, yellow, green, purple, or what?

[JA(me)S]

ZebraLight is currently waiting for the correct neutral tint XM-L for the SC600. By the time the H502 is released, ZebraLight should have access to this preferred neutral tint. Most likely the H502 will be released in both white and neutral simultaneously.

- Jas.

[curry__muncha]

Will you be releasing a H502R version with a red LED? (as you did with the much loved H501R)

[ZebraLight]

Will you be releasing a H502R version with a red LED? (as you did with the much loved H501R)

No plans for a H502R. However, there will be 'r' versions of most current models to be released later this month.

[StandardBattery]

No plans for a H502R. However, there will be 'r' versions of most current models to be released later this month.

[subwoofer]

My only full flood is the Ultrafire UF-H3 (and H2, but the parasitic drain is terrible in the H2), but having just bought the H51 and SC51 I can see how good the zebralight torches are.

I will have to buy the H502 when this comes out as I want a good quality full flood headlamp (so therefore a zebralight) and the added output from one AA and efficiency the XM-L should give will make this a winner with me. Can't wait, and I suspect there will be a wait for these with them being snapped up as soon as they are available.

[ryguy24000]

Gonna have to get on of these lights when it is released. Really digging the flood style lamps for work. I am becoming a flood hound i think. Currently using a Spark st5 with Scotch tape over the lens, but I want more flood!!!