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    Default Re: Wave of Mule & Haiku lights using the Cree XM-L LEDs

    I was asked by a member about the difference between the Haiku XP-G and the XM-L on low. I took a few beam shots with a fresh AW in each from about 6 feet,

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    I hope this helps
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    Hi Shado, thanks for the beam shots. Does the XP-G appear much brighter on far distance, or only very slightly brighter? Example of distance would be like 50 yards or so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pjandyho View Post
    Hi Shado, thanks for the beam shots. Does the XP-G appear much brighter on far distance, or only very slightly brighter? Example of distance would be like 50 yards or so.
    The XP-G has a brighter hot spot, but the XM-L is brighter over all at about 50 feet. I've already taken the dogs for a walk and will try to comment on 50 yards in the next few days. I will say the beam of the Haiku XM-L reminds me of the PD-S

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    Quote Originally Posted by shado View Post
    The XP-G has a brighter hot spot, but the XM-L is brighter over all at about 50 feet. I've already taken the dogs for a walk and will try to comment on 50 yards in the next few days. I will say the beam of the Haiku XM-L reminds me of the PD-S

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    Thanks again. Since I have the XM-L Haiku now, I was wondering if I would miss anything the XP-G can provide. Been thinking of another Haiku in BB finish but am not sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pjandyho View Post
    Thanks again. Since I have the XM-L Haiku now, I was wondering if I would miss anything the XP-G can provide. Been thinking of another Haiku in BB finish but am not sure.
    I see you are in Singapore neighbour. If you are in KL, pm me, I have a XPG Haiku. We can meet up as I too would like to test the XML Haiku.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jumpstat View Post
    I see you are in Singapore neighbour. If you are in KL, pm me, I have a XPG Haiku. We can meet up as I too would like to test the XML Haiku.
    Hi neighbor!

    Sounds like a great idea. Unfortunately I am not sure when my schedule would allow. The last time I was in KL was on a two weeks photoshoot in Putrajaya region about two years ago. Been thinking of going there again for the food. Will PM you when my schedule allows.
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    Don:
    My Haiku XM-L came in and, WOW! What an incredible light. The only problem is that my wife is a photography nut and immediately saw the importance and value of this light for her hobby. She had the audacity to tell me that if it goes missing I should ask her if she has it. First, this is my baby. Second, she can't keep up with anything. I am guessing that the best solution is an XM-L Mule for the Holidays. Whoever said Don's lights are like potato chips is right. Very shiny, beautiful, expensive potato chips.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mezeno View Post
    Don:
    My Haiku XM-L came in and, WOW! What an incredible light. The only problem is that my wife is a photography nut and immediately saw the importance and value of this light for her hobby. She had the audacity to tell me that if it goes missing I should ask her if she has it. First, this is my baby. Second, she can't keep up with anything. I am guessing that the best solution is an XM-L Mule for the Holidays. Whoever said Don's lights are like potato chips is right. Very shiny, beautiful, expensive potato chips.
    Wow my exact words when I got mine. Get the wife a high CRI Mule and she won't swipe your XM-L. The CRI is better for photo's, if you have not yet checked out the link,s at the bottom of (user Pjandyho) post #126 you should check them out.

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    Received my XM-L Mule this afternoon. I will have to wait a few hours to really try it out as it's still warm and sunny here. It looks nice though. Happy New Years to everyone.


    ajl from Jacksonville, FL

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    Hello!
    Have Haiku XR-E that I would like to have up-dated to
    give about 200 lumens on high (not interested in OMG lumens),
    and something that won't burn my hand, but running a RCR123/ 4.2batt.
    18350 use would be helpful too (but I don't know if offered).
    If possible, please advise procedure for paying and shipping. Thank you.
    Regards, Chuck Hunt
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    Hi Chuck,
    The modification you propose would require exchanging the existing XR-E on MCPCB with a XM-L on MCPCB as well as reorientation of the reflector in the Haiku head. I believe the flux will be below your 200 lumens mark but not significantly. Feel free to contact me via e-mail if this is something you think you want to proceed with. If your light falls short of your illumination needs and you think the XM-L will make the difference you seek then this might be a way to go for you.
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    I just got my hands on my second Macgizmo, XML haiku, the best light I ever held in my hands
    thanks don

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    Quote Originally Posted by jalal20 View Post
    I just got my hands on my second Macgizmo, XML haiku, the best light I ever held in my hands
    thanks don
    I agree with you. I really love the Haiku XM-L as well as the high CRI Haiku. Although the XM-L can't throw as well as an XP-G based emitter, it more than make up for it with the floody beam. Very useful general usage light for close range use which is what I use my lights for generally. In fact, all my McGizmo Haiku and Mule are my favorites.
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    My first light was the High CRI Mule which arrived yesterday , I think it was a great choice to have it as a high CRI for indoor use. Ive had my eyes locked on the mule from the first day I got here and Finally I have one and now love it even more

    Quote Originally Posted by pjandyho View Post
    I agree with you. I really love the Haiku XM-L as well as all of the high CRI Haiku. Although the XM-L can't throw as well as an XP-G based emitter, it more than make up for it with the floody beam. Very useful general usage light for close range use which is what I use my lights for generally. In fact, all my McGizmo Haiku and Mule are my favorites.

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    Don,

    Is the Haiku XML available for order?

    After reading your recent post on the availability of lights I am a little confused.

    Thanks

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    Don,
    Any update on the situation with the new 3S converters? Please do tell.

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    Hi guys,
    I sent the lot of new 3S converters back to Japan for reprogramming. I have not been given any word yet on when I might expect to start getting some back. My guess is that I am a couple weeks away from being able to build with these new converters but it is just a guess at this point. At present I only have the buck/boost 6V converters to work with as well as some os Wayne's single level converters (GD,NG).
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    Reprogramming? What's with the new 3S converter? Any difference?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pjandyho View Post
    Reprogramming? What's with the new 3S converter? Any difference?
    The new converter can handle shifting through the levels on a depleted battery better than its predecessor and I am not sure you can detect any PWM on low or medium levels. Aside from these two aspects I am not aware of any other differences.
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    Thanks Don. May want to buy them to swap out my current one when it's available.
    The love of light is the reason why I don't walk in darkness. But darkness has it's beauty...Sadly, my lights are much more beautiful!!
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    Can anyone confirm the difference in output of the warm XPG Haiku versus the XML? In terms of overall lumens?
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    It's pretty marginal. I think the XML puts out only maybe 10-20 lm more on high. The main difference is in beam pattern, with the XPG packing more throw with a tighter hotspot than the XML, which is more floody.

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    Thanks, NBP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nbp View Post
    It's pretty marginal. I think the XML puts out only maybe 10-20 lm more on high. The main difference is in beam pattern, with the XPG packing more throw with a tighter hotspot than the XML, which is more floody.
    The being true, the XPG beam is surprisingly floody. I was very pleased. It's almost perfect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vernon View Post
    Can anyone confirm the difference in output of the warm XPG Haiku versus the XML? In terms of overall lumens?
    If I recall correctly, the XP-G warm was measurably lower in flux than the "stock" XP-G and the XM-L is measurably higher in flux than the XP-G. I believe there would be a noticeable difference both in beam distribution and flux between a Haiku XP-G warm and Haiku XM-L; perhaps almost as much as 100 lumens greater flux with the XM-L? Am I wrong? (I don't have a warm Haiku XP-G)
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    Quote Originally Posted by McGizmo View Post
    If I recall correctly, the XP-G warm was measurably lower in flux than the "stock" XP-G and the XM-L is measurably higher in flux than the XP-G. I believe there would be a noticeable difference both in beam distribution and flux between a Haiku XP-G warm and Haiku XM-L; perhaps almost as much as 100 lumens greater flux with the XM-L? Am I wrong? (I don't have a warm Haiku XP-G)
    Don, you are not wrong - and IIRC, you are very close (at least according to my simple home made sphere). My 'warm' Haiku measures 158 lumen - my XML version was around 260 (I don't have it any more.)

    Hope that helps

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    Don,

    I just sent you an email ordering a Haiku XML.

    I anxiously await your response.

    Thanks so much

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    My Haiku XML has been mailed! Hopefully, I will receive it tomorrow (3/01).

    I cannot wait for it to arrive.

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    Well I finally was able to replace the Haiku XP-G 2XAA I had to sell a while ago but it took me selling my house and moving to Florida to get another one. I just ordered a Haiku XM-L 2XAA and should have it in a few days. I have not left Michigan yet but I wanted to make sure I got my new light before I had to leave. Last time I went to Florida I stopped in Georgia for the night and was shining my light around the room and spotted a black spider in the corner by the table they had set up and my light hit the black spider and I saw the red hour glass on its belly and made sure I killed it with one whack of my shoe and then I went to the office and changed rooms to the second floor and no I did not sleep to well that night I just kept thinking about the black widow that could have been my bed buddy. Before I left the first room I saw where there was a big gap under the door and then I looked under the air conditioner and saw all of the widows kills in its web so it must have been there a while. Now I hate staying in any motel and when I do I sure look around and under things just to make sure.
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    The Haiku 2xAA makes an excellent and versatile emergency flashlight. I have a 2nd body on the way to me. A tough and ready emergency electric light is a good thing to have on hand. Just had a hour long power failure and I used it to install 8 "D" batteries in the Coleman fluorescent lantern that I've have for a number of years but have never used. That Coleman lantern even on low (18 hours so they say) really puts out the light. I had three sets of batteries on hand, and will pick up a few more sets before the hurricane season starts. It has been 20 years since Hurricane Andrew. I wasn't there, but family members were. No electricty, no water for awhile, but they still had landline telephone service (in the area just north of the airport).
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