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    Very Helpful review ... Thanks!

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    Awesome review....I just bought a new light..

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    I received my SC600 yesterday and have to say this is truly a fine light. I love the massively increased output and have been able to closely compare it against my SC60, and have the following observations to share.

    I have to admit I still have a sweet spot for the SC60 because of its thinner body, lighter weight, and overall compactness; it has me wondering if the SC600 could benefit if it went on a diet and was made a bit lighter as well. Just a thought. In daily use I have noticed that the 600 beam is quite a bit warmer than my 60C, but I haven't done enough testing to validate a personal preference, although I will say that even though I prefer cool LEDs the warmer glow of the 600 is not unpleasant at all.

    Has anyone else noticed how sharp the milled edges are on Zebralights? I had to take my dremel to my SC60 to soften some of the edges using a Craytex tip. These are the same tips gunsmiths use to produce a polished finish that is ultra smooth; the aluminum really shines with this process. The clip on my 60, in particular, managed to damage the outer edge of my right pocket on two sets of trousers, actually cutting the material before I did the smoothing work. It actually cut the fabric. I have also done a bit of edge removal on my SC600 clip as well as around the switch and the outer edge of the tail cap. Having a slightly enlarged and smoothed area for my thumb to fit makes it easier to turn on and off. I also levelled out the little tabs that stand up on the part of the clip that wraps around the light.

    Interesting to note that my light came from Illumination Gear and does not have the lanyard nub. I'm not overly fond of the milled lug on the latest version so I mocked up two possible lanyard and clip designs that are mutually inclusive and together don't add any excess buildup. Both ideas are based on a screw-on clip with lanyard mounting drilled into the lug (pic 1) and lanyard mounting drilled into the clip (pic 2). I would probably purchase another 600 if either of these features were offered as I really do prefer the robust reliability of a screw on clip.

    Overall I am quite happy that I am easily able to pocket the 600 as my EDC and replace my trusty 60 with a strong upgrade. Thank you ZebraLight for making such a nice light with truly 'offensive' output and functionality. I really appreciate it and can't wait to receive my SC600H when they become available.

    Suggested pocket clip/lanyard connector design:

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    OK, why can't I find the picture posting option for my thread above??? Help!

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    Quote Originally Posted by levelflight View Post
    OK, why can't I find the picture posting option for my thread above??? Help!
    Hey, man -- I wanted to see what you were talking about, too.

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    Cuz' you can't Host yer' photos on CPF.


    You've gotta' post them on another site, like PhotoBucket, fer' instance.

    Then, you simply LINK that image in your posting.

    BAM !

    You will then have a photo in your post !


    There are several threads explaining all the details, if my explanation was not sufficient.

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    OK, thank you, I forgot about the linking and was looking for a 'button' thingy somewhere.....

    So please keep in mind these are rough visual representations to generate feedback on this idea. After reflecting on this for a while it seems possible to have a hole go through the lug as well as the clip, which means that the tunnel would have a 90 degree turn beginning at the top side of the lug nearest the tail cap and eiting through the front of the clip. Anyways, just a few thoughts on the lanyard and clip design to bang around.

    Pics are here: http://s1214.photobucket.com/albums/...anyardHole.jpg

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    Levelflight, your design looks very good in my opinion. I have the latest version SC600 with the lanyard attachment, and my only gripe is that the pocket clip can't be fixed in the same spot as the lanyard hole. Your design would correct this and would also have a more secure clip fixing. Truth be told, the clip I got with my SC600 feels strong and pretty secure, so I'm not that worried about it. However, your design would remove any doubt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Humminbird View Post
    Levelflight, your design looks very good in my opinion. I have the latest version SC600 with the lanyard attachment, and my only gripe is that the pocket clip can't be fixed in the same spot as the lanyard hole. Your design would correct this and would also have a more secure clip fixing. Truth be told, the clip I got with my SC600 feels strong and pretty secure, so I'm not that worried about it. However, your design would remove any doubt.
    Can you tell me where you got the light or is this a violation of the TOS? If it's a violation then please PM me. Thanks!

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    Jeff,
    Sorry about the delay responding, for some reason I haven't been receiving alerts on this thread....
    The mod in the picture is strictly a Photoshop fix, my idea for solving two problems at the same time. If ZL can mill a lug onto the body for a lanyard attachment (which they are doing on the new models) then they may as well make it larger to fit the screw on clip as per the SC60, in my opinion. And then then can mill the additional hole for the lanyard as well. Just my suggestion of course, in the real world things may take a different direction....

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    Quote Originally Posted by levelflight View Post
    Jeff,
    Sorry about the delay responding, for some reason I haven't been receiving alerts on this thread....
    The mod in the picture is strictly a Photoshop fix, my idea for solving two problems at the same time. If ZL can mill a lug onto the body for a lanyard attachment (which they are doing on the new models) then they may as well make it larger to fit the screw on clip as per the SC60, in my opinion. And then then can mill the additional hole for the lanyard as well. Just my suggestion of course, in the real world things may take a different direction....
    We were talking about your proposed mod in this thread, too (post number 1702 to 1704).

    ZebraLight SC600

    I never saw a response, so perhaps you're not getting notifications (or perhaps that particular thread is too large to keep up with...which it arguably is...). Maybe you can chime in there, too.

    PS: You might want to make sure your Settings>Settings General>Default Thread Subscription Mode has the "Instantly, using email" set up for notification.
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    varuscelli,
    Yes, my settings were set to delayed notification or something, all fixed now!

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    Thanks for the review, i still cant believe that this light is brighter (ceiling bounce test) than the Jetbeam BC40, lighter, smaller, AND has twice the runtime on 1 18650 battery (3100mah redilasts). Zebralight has done a great job on the driver!

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    Quote Originally Posted by yifu View Post
    Thanks for the review, i still cant believe that this light is brighter (ceiling bounce test) than the Jetbeam BC40, lighter, smaller, AND has twice the runtime on 1 18650 battery (3100mah redilasts). Zebralight has done a great job on the driver!
    Sorry but how exactly does it have twice the runtime...? What brightness are you referring to..? You do know that the 750 lumens only lasts for 5 minutes and then it steps down to 500 for the rest of the time on high.

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    Ok, i have done some math that might show it better. The BC40 goes for about 800 lumen hours (its not 820 ANSI lumens) on 2 18650s, the SC600 goes for about 738.3 lumen hours on 1 18650 factoring in the output drop. That is NEARLY double the efficiency on just a standar capacity 2200, not a higher capacity flattop. Added on to that aside from the beam profile differences l, 500 lumens vs the 700ish OTF lumens of the BC40 is a very tiny difference to the human eye. Thats a really good job done by Zebralight!

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    Quote Originally Posted by yifu View Post
    Ok, i have done some math that might show it better. The BC40 goes for about 800 lumen hours (its not 820 ANSI lumens) on 2 18650s, the SC600 goes for about 738.3 lumen hours on 1 18650 factoring in the output drop. That is NEARLY double the efficiency on just a standar capacity 2200, not a higher capacity flattop. Added on to that aside from the beam profile differences l, 500 lumens vs the 700ish OTF lumens of the BC40 is a very tiny difference to the human eye. Thats a really good job done by Zebralight!
    Hmmm. Well whichever way you look at it the BC40 is at least 200 lumens brighter than the SC 600 on the extended runtime. The ZL has excellent runtimes but the ZL is more of a flooder and the BC40 a thrower. The jetbeam is brighter and runs for the longer on the max mode. The extra 18650 is immaterial to the comparison.

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    Hi there, just wondering if you can tell me what flashlight has the better throw and spill at 100 meters, the T20C2 or sc600?
    Thanks!

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    Hmmm, I have both and I think the Eagletac hot spot is more concentrated, BUT, my t20 XML HO loses brightness fairly quick while the Zebralight has excellent regulation. So of you are comparing the first minute of runtime, or if you are using 2xrcr123 I'd say eagletac throws a bit more, but the Zebralight can't be beat for regulation and run time. If it helps, my t20 is now my wife's night time light and I use my Zebralight! Love the Zebralight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shazidur View Post
    Hi there, just wondering if you can tell me what flashlight has the better throw and spill at 100 meters, the T20C2 or sc600?
    Thanks!
    I think GoingGear has YouTube video comparisons of both done in separate videos but with the same distance targets, if I recall correctly (GoingGear under member name goingprepared). The SC600 is not going to be as much of a thrower as the T20C2, but if you're talking about usefulness at less than 100 meters in terms of spill, the SC600 tends to be enough toward the floody side that you might favor it. But if you're looking for throw, my bet (without actually owning one) is that the T20C2 will win out. But what do you want, more concentrated throw or better floodiness/spill? I don't think one of those will win out in both categories.

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    Great review selfbuilt! The video clip really seems to enhance your reviews...much easier to comprehend what you're talking about in your review (i.e. the ZL operating system) rather than just reading it in print. Thanks again for all the hard work.

    Awesome Canadian accent too!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shazidur View Post
    Hi there, just wondering if you can tell me what flashlight has the better throw and spill at 100 meters, the T20C2 or sc600?
    Thanks!
    I have both and the T20C2 XM-L does throw a little better but it has a much smaller spill area and when you run it on 18650 it's not as bright as the SC600, of course not being as bright on 18650 it reduces throw somewhat so when comparing it the SC600 when both are running 18650 the throw comparison gets that much more competitive.

    The SC600 is my favorite light and even after you compare throw/spill and everything else the ET T20C2 MKII XM-L is also one of my favorite and most useful light's. The UI is simple and it runs on both primarys and 18650, also it has a really stable rubber tail shroud and the tailstand is fabulous compared to other light's in it's class. Also the rubber cigar grip ring is comfortable when so many other light's use a metal rigid design, the clip design works well to.

    The fact is though the two light's are in a different class as far as size, the SC600 is pocketable and the T20 really isn't so if your after a EDC light then the SC600 should probably be your first choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HIDblue View Post
    Great review selfbuilt! The video clip really seems to enhance your reviews... Awesome Canadian accent too!


    Off-topic alert: Growing up, I remeber being "taught" that Canadians typically speak with an American mid-West accent - something that elicits howls of laughter from my American mid-West friends. Apparently, you all think we say "oot" instead of "out" (as in, "oot and aboot"). Don't hear it myself - but in fact, that is one characteristic of how a Maritime accent sounds to most of us in Central-Eastern Canada. So it wouldn't be surprising that some of those aspects have worked their way into our local dialects, to some degree (i.e., we don't notice it, but others do).

    Back in the 1990s, Mrs selfbuilt always had a good retort for Chicago, Boston or New York residents who made fun of our accent - which one of us sounds more like Dan Rather?

    Back on topic, I agree that the videos add a nice way to explain the build and interface of the light - much easier than trying to put it all into text. Glad you are finding them useful!
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    Quote Originally Posted by selfbuilt View Post
    Apparently, you all think we say "oot" instead of "out" (as in, "oot and aboot").
    Of course, it's all in jest selfbuilt...but it's apropos since I keyed off your pronunciation of tailcap lock 'oot' in the video. All kidding aside, great videos...I look forward to more in the future.

    Any plans on getting a sample Zebralight H600 for review?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HIDblue View Post
    tailcap lock 'oot' in the video
    Yeah... I don't hear it. It's a fast 'out', but it's definitely not an 'oot' as in 'boot'. if anything it's kinda like 'ah-oot' but fast. What's it supposed to sound like? 'owt' as in 'ow'?

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    Quote Originally Posted by liquidsix View Post
    Yeah... I don't hear it. It's a fast 'out', but it's definitely not an 'oot' as in 'boot'. if anything it's kinda like 'ah-oot' but fast. What's it supposed to sound like? 'owt' as in 'ow'?
    I like that ... 'ah-oot' ... sounds scholarly somehow. Someone wandering into this thread is probably going to wonder what is going on here.

    I don't have a good ear for what makes accents/dialects different (i.e., I can't reproduce them), but I personally love hearing them all.

    Quote Originally Posted by HIDblue View Post
    Any plans on getting a sample Zebralight H600 for review?
    Probably not. I typically leave it up to manufacturer/dealers to suggest lights for review, and Zebralights tends to contact me about completely new/distinctive models and series.
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    Quote Originally Posted by selfbuilt View Post
    I like that ... 'ah-oot' ... sounds scholarly somehow. Someone wandering into this thread is probably going to wonder what is going on here.

    I don't have a good ear for what makes accents/dialects different (i.e., I can't reproduce them), but I personally love hearing them all.


    Probably not. I typically leave it up to manufacturer/dealers to suggest lights for review, and Zebralights tends to contact me about completely new/distinctive models and series.
    Thats a shame. Always really enjoy your reviews. On the plus side these should at least be shipping soon so we should be seeing some user reviews at least

    I can't tell you guys how much I am itching for a SC600, but I love the NW on my Xeno E03 compared to the CW(which I don't hate either), just don't know how much longer I can hold out. *sigh*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zenbaas View Post
    Thats a shame. Always really enjoy your reviews. On the plus side these should at least be shipping soon so we should be seeing some user reviews at least

    I can't tell you guys how much I am itching for a SC600, but I love the NW on my Xeno E03 compared to the CW(which I don't hate either), just don't know how much longer I can hold out. *sigh*
    Well, Zebralight said its coming out with neutral SC600s...

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    I bought the SC600 and it's an amazing package, solid and so small. I also bought a Spark SL6S-800CW at the same time (and a SD6-500CW head lamp). I've been using the Spark with the supplied diffusor lens as a handheld light while trail running (along with a headlamp) and it's a really nice beam spread. Is there a frosted or diffusor lens available for the SC600? As is the Spark with the diffusor is better in this application for me BUT the Spark switch is very finicky/touchy while the ZL works much better and is more solid feeling. I'm still struggling with the ZL UI but the basic settings work fine for now.

    This little SC600 (or 2) mounted with some TwoFish Lockblocks should make a decent bike lite or mtn. bike light. Awesome size and shape for easy mounting. I will be trying this out at some point on my mtn. bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yifu View Post
    Well, Zebralight said its coming out with neutral SC600s...
    Thanks I saw he mentioned it in the other thread. I'm amped

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