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    I just read the manual, and am a bit confused with the run times. Are the times stated the theoretical times of using 10440 or AAA? Also, is the light really a pure flood light like the H501? That would be pretty awesome if it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by michman View Post
    I just read the manual, and am a bit confused with the run times. Are the times stated the theoretical times of using 10440 or AAA? Also, is the light really a pure flood light like the H501? That would be pretty awesome if it is.
    Hi michman,

    Thanks for posting
    The runtimes are theoretical based on the 10440.

    All going well, I'll be able to update those next week with more accurate numbers, for different battery types.
    The beam should be floody considering the size of the reflector.
    Again, will post some beam shots and more of a description once the working proto is here.

    tgwnn

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_guy_with_no_name View Post
    Hi michman,

    Thanks for posting
    The runtimes are theoretical based on the 10440.

    The beam should be floody considering the size of the reflector.
    Again, will post some beam shots and more of a description once the working proto is here.

    tgwnn
    Any chance of trying out both a smooth and a lop reflector?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sno4Life View Post
    Any chance of trying out both a smooth and a lop reflector?
    Hi Sno4Life,

    Sure, there is always a chance
    Let me check with the team and see if they can put something together.

    tgwnn

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    I'd prefer a SMO since I'm definitely a "throw" guy. Due to the smallness of the light, as you say, it's going to be floody. But if you use a SMO, at least it might be a little less floody (thereby making it more throwey)
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    Quote Originally Posted by BVH View Post
    I'd prefer a SMO since I'm definitely a "throw" guy. Due to the smallness of the light, as you say, it's going to be floody. But if you use a SMO, at least it might be a little less floody (thereby making it more throwey)
    That's exactly what I was thinking. It might make the beam more multifunctional. Clearly 500lm isn't for close-up work, so why not try to squeeze a little more throw out of what will clearly be a very floody light no matter what kind of finish is used for the reflector.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helmut.G View Post
    for reflow soldering. smd parts like this can hardly be soldered by hand, they are way too small.
    Sure they can, I used to do that for a living. You need the right size tip, a good soldering base (WITH temperature control) and use plenty of flux. It is a handling challenge though and you'll definitely want to inspect any IC pins with a good magnifier or microscope... and high quality tweezers (that's the secret ingredient). The second secret ingredient is don't get hung over.

    I'm curious as to what the plan is with these components, expecially the SMD LEDs (battery indicator??)
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    Quote Originally Posted by BVH View Post
    I'd prefer a SMO since I'm definitely a "throw" guy. Due to the smallness of the light, as you say, it's going to be floody. But if you use a SMO, at least it might be a little less floody (thereby making it more throwey)
    Quote Originally Posted by Sno4Life View Post
    That's exactly what I was thinking. It might make the beam more multifunctional. Clearly 500lm isn't for close-up work, so why not try to squeeze a little more throw out of what will clearly be a very floody light no matter what kind of finish is used for the reflector.
    Ok, will give the SMO a try and see how it goes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cataract View Post
    Sure they can, I used to do that for a living. You need the right size tip, a good soldering base (WITH temperature control) and use plenty of flux. It is a handling challenge though and you'll definitely want to inspect any IC pins with a good magnifier or microscope... and high quality tweezers (that's the secret ingredient). The second secret ingredient is don't get hung over.

    I'm curious as to what the plan is with these components, expecially the SMD LEDs (battery indicator??)
    Nope, no battery indicator.
    Its for something else Im working on
    I was able to solder the parts but looks like it needs some tweaking....

    tgwnn

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    hey Guy, been reading this thread and it almost sounds too good to be true. I really want to thank you for doing this. Quick thought: what if you added a end cap so the unused body could double as a battery holder(sorta like 4sevens battery cap thingys) . that way people could always have an extra triple A with them and not have to worry so much about running their batteries down. also are you planning on keeping the price point near what it was in the first post (65)? thats like 8 lumens per dollar!!! ( although anything below 100$ is really good still)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cataract View Post
    ... and high quality tweezers (that's the secret ingredient). The second secret ingredient is don't get hung over....
    Hahaha.

    I'm not sure if the smooth vs. OP reflector would make a big difference with such a small reflector. It will be interesting to see.
    Last edited by TyJo; 12-20-2011 at 10:57 AM.

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    I'm thinking the same thing, I highly doubt a smooth reflector will give this any noticeable throw advantage over an LOP, and will most likely just make it more ringy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cataract View Post
    Sure they can, I used to do that for a living. You need the right size tip, a good soldering base (WITH temperature control) and use plenty of flux. It is a handling challenge though and you'll definitely want to inspect any IC pins with a good magnifier or microscope... and high quality tweezers (that's the secret ingredient). The second secret ingredient is don't get hung over.

    I'm curious as to what the plan is with these components, expecially the SMD LEDs (battery indicator??)
    That's why I said hardly. Some people do it, but most can't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lopezepol75 View Post
    hey Guy, been reading this thread and it almost sounds too good to be true. I really want to thank you for doing this. Quick thought: what if you added a end cap so the unused body could double as a battery holder(sorta like 4sevens battery cap thingys) . that way people could always have an extra triple A with them and not have to worry so much about running their batteries down. also are you planning on keeping the price point near what it was in the first post (65)? thats like 8 lumens per dollar!!! ( although anything below 100$ is really good still)
    Hi Lopezepol,

    Thanks for posting
    Battery holder, its doable perhaps as an option going forward after the first product run,
    I wonder though how much demand there is for that? anybody?

    I am planning to keep the price near/at the original price point, though perhaps just for CPF, depending on final costs.
    When I set up the product website, the standard retail price may be a little more than that but for CPF, and as a minimum everyone who has posted and/or subscribed, I will be trying hard to bring the project in at the original target price.

    Quote Originally Posted by TyJo View Post
    Hahaha.
    I'm not sure if the smooth vs. OP reflector would make a big difference with such a small reflector. It will be interesting to see.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bigmac_79 View Post
    I'm thinking the same thing, I highly doubt a smooth reflector will give this any noticeable throw advantage over an LOP, and will most likely just make it more ringy.
    I have to say I agree that I dont expect too see much difference with a smooth reflector as the throw is achieved by the outer most part of the reflector and for this size, the outer part of the reflector, is the size of the inner most part of a typical XM-L sized reflector.
    Personally, I dont like rings too much (though they can be acceptable in a larger throwy light for my taste), which is why I opted for the OP reflector.
    Still, happy to give it a try and we can all judge based on that

    Quote Originally Posted by Helmut.G View Post
    That's why I said hardly. Some people do it, but most can't.
    Takes a little practice but its not as impossible as I imagined once you get the part in place.
    As suggested, lots of flux and a good magnifying lens make things easier.
    Its the multi-pin microprocessors that are the trickiest but still do-able Im finding.

    Tgwnn

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    Quote Originally Posted by TyJo View Post
    Hahaha.
    I'm not sure if the smooth vs. OP reflector would make a big difference with such a small reflector. It will be interesting to see.

    I agree. The only thing I would add is that the XM-L's are inherently floody by nature. I await the testing to see if the smooth would amplify any artifacts in the beam

    Quote Originally Posted by the_guy_with_no_name View Post
    Battery holder, its doable perhaps as an option going forward after the first product run,
    I wonder though how much demand there is for that? anybody?
    +1 on a battery holder endcap acessory

    Quote Originally Posted by the_guy_with_no_name View Post
    I have to say I agree that I dont expect too see much difference with a smooth reflector as the throw is achieved by the outer most part of the reflector and for this size, the outer part of the reflector, is the size of the inner most part of a typical XM-L sized reflector.
    Personally, I dont like rings too much (though they can be acceptable in a larger throwy light for my taste), which is why I opted for the OP reflector.
    Still, happy to give it a try and we can all judge based on that
    Agreed +1

    Quote Originally Posted by the_guy_with_no_name View Post
    Takes a little practice but its not as impossible as I imagined once you get the part in place.
    As suggested, lots of flux and a good magnifying lens make things easier.
    Its the multi-pin microprocessors that are the trickiest but still do-able Im finding.
    Tgwnn
    I agree with you Guy. I would hope this would just be for building the prototypes and not production runs. Man that would take a lot of small hands .

    Just out of couriousity, Did you ever test the gloves with the finalized body design and UI?
    It's getting pretty cold here
    GL

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    Aren't there more than 100 subscribers to this thread? 4500 for me, too - if you don't already have that down

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    With 3 batteries - two charged and ready and 1 in the light.

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    5000k for me!

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_guy_with_no_name View Post
    Hi Lopezepol,

    Thanks for posting
    Battery holder, its doable perhaps as an option going forward after the first product run,
    I wonder though how much demand there is for that? anybody?
    I like the endcap idea... protects the threads from lint as well...


    Quote Originally Posted by the_guy_with_no_name View Post
    I am planning to keep the price near/at the original price point, though perhaps just for CPF, depending on final costs.
    When I set up the product website, the standard retail price may be a little more than that but for CPF, and as a minimum everyone who has posted and/or subscribed, I will be trying hard to bring the project in at the original target price.
    Very appreciated!


    Quote Originally Posted by the_guy_with_no_name View Post
    I have to say I agree that I dont expect too see much difference with a smooth reflector as the throw is achieved by the outer most part of the reflector and for this size, the outer part of the reflector, is the size of the inner most part of a typical XM-L sized reflector.
    Personally, I dont like rings too much (though they can be acceptable in a larger throwy light for my taste), which is why I opted for the OP reflector.
    Still, happy to give it a try and we can all judge based on that
    100% agree


    Quote Originally Posted by the_guy_with_no_name View Post
    Takes a little practice but its not as impossible as I imagined once you get the part in place.
    As suggested, lots of flux and a good magnifying lens make things easier.
    Its the multi-pin microprocessors that are the trickiest but still do-able Im finding.

    Tgwnn
    It's mostly about practice and a steady hand (coupled with tons of patience, which is what most people don't have)

    The microprocessors are a slightly different ball-game (that's a funny statement for those who know what I'm talking about). Forget about BGA outside the oven (although I once did some single-row BGA's by hand), but the multi-pin processors need special attention. The best way I have found is to put plenty of solder and tons of flux while spreading the solder around (fix the corner pins first, obviously...) As long as you hear the cracking sound of the flux, you have enough flux. Eventually, the pins won't short to each other (that's when you really need the strong magnification -sometimes 2 loupes on top of each other-, unless you prefer to find out the hard way.) This usually makes for IPC-grade soldering.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Got Lumens? View Post

    I agree with you Guy. I would hope this would just be for building the prototypes and not production runs. Man that would take a lot of small hands .

    Just out of couriousity, Did you ever test the gloves with the finalized body design and UI?
    It's getting pretty cold here
    GL
    Production will be done professionally ofcourse.
    Havent tested the thick gloves yet, gotta dig them out of the trunk. will do that tomorrow.

    Quote Originally Posted by RCantor View Post
    Aren't there more than 100 subscribers to this thread? 4500 for me, too - if you don't already have that down With 3 batteries - two charged and ready and 1 in the light.
    Yes, many more than 100
    I WILL do my best to accomodate every single person who would like to own a Torpedo

    Quote Originally Posted by Sno4Life View Post
    5000k for me!
    Thanks.

    tgwnn

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cataract View Post
    I like the endcap idea... protects the threads from lint as well...

    It's mostly about practice and a steady hand (coupled with tons of patience, which is what most people don't have)

    The microprocessors are a slightly different ball-game (that's a funny statement for those who know what I'm talking about). Forget about BGA outside the oven (although I once did some single-row BGA's by hand), but the multi-pin processors need special attention. The best way I have found is to put plenty of solder and tons of flux while spreading the solder around (fix the corner pins first, obviously...) As long as you hear the cracking sound of the flux, you have enough flux. Eventually, the pins won't short to each other (that's when you really need the strong magnification -sometimes 2 loupes on top of each other-, unless you prefer to find out the hard way.) This usually makes for IPC-grade soldering.
    Thanks Cataract

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_guy_with_no_name View Post
    Thanks Cataract
    Anything I can do to help
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    Hi,
    If it matters, i'm aslo interested by a battery holder endcap acessory

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cataract View Post
    Anything I can do to help
    Thanks

    Quote Originally Posted by taratata View Post
    Hi,
    If it matters, i'm aslo interested by a battery holder endcap acessory

    Thanks
    If it matters to you, it matter to me

    For the endcap folks, is this something you'd plan to carry with you?

    tgwnn

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_guy_with_no_name View Post
    Thanks


    If it matters to you, it matter to me

    For the endcap folks, is this something you'd plan to carry with you?

    tgwnn
    If you made a cap for the spare body so it could be used as a battery carrier when not in use, yes, I would definitely have that with me on my keychain, if it had an attachment method.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RCantor View Post
    With 3 batteries - two charged and ready and 1 in the light.
    +1 I have containers for 2 extra batts for all my lights and would like some sort of spare as I expect to use this light a lot and understand it will only run for so long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chris975d View Post
    If you made a cap for the spare body so it could be used as a battery carrier when not in use, yes, I would definitely have that with me on my keychain, if it had an attachment method.
    Agreed

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_guy_with_no_name View Post

    For the endcap folks, is this something you'd plan to carry with you?

    tgwnn
    @Lopesepol75: Great idea with the endcap

    And, yep, some attachment point would be appreciated

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    Quote Originally Posted by chris975d View Post
    If you made a cap for the spare body so it could be used as a battery carrier when not in use, yes, I would definitely have that with me on my keychain, if it had an attachment method.
    +1
    I think Guy has that covered though. Both bodies will have the splitring/lanyard hole in between the endcap fins.
    GL

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    I'll just weigh in and say I wouldn't use the spare body as a spare cell carrier. All my spare cells are in plastic containers in the side pouch of my bag, and carrying a spare cell on my keychain or even in my pocket would be impractical for me in almost all situations. I'm not trying to tell you not to make it, just that it wouldn't be useful to me. If it's sold as an accessory, I won't buy it, and if it's included in the purchase of the Torpedo, it will go in my junk box along with all my spare o-rings and switches, etc. If it's included with the purchase of the Torpedo and increases the price and/or production time, I would be slightly grumpy, but I would still get the Torpedo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chris975d View Post
    If you made a cap for the spare body so it could be used as a battery carrier when not in use, yes, I would definitely have that with me on my keychain, if it had an attachment method.
    Quote Originally Posted by scottyhazzard View Post
    +1 I have containers for 2 extra batts for all my lights and would like some sort of spare as I expect to use this light a lot and understand it will only run for so long.
    Quote Originally Posted by Sno4Life View Post
    Agreed
    Quote Originally Posted by emu124 View Post
    @Lopesepol75: Great idea with the endcap

    And, yep, some attachment point would be appreciated

    BTW... 4500K for emu
    Quote Originally Posted by Got Lumens? View Post
    +1
    I think Guy has that covered though. Both bodies will have the splitring/lanyard hole in between the endcap fins.
    GL
    Quote Originally Posted by Bigmac_79 View Post
    I'll just weigh in and say I wouldn't use the spare body as a spare cell carrier. All my spare cells are in plastic containers in the side pouch of my bag, and carrying a spare cell on my keychain or even in my pocket would be impractical for me in almost all situations. I'm not trying to tell you not to make it, just that it wouldn't be useful to me. If it's sold as an accessory, I won't buy it, and if it's included in the purchase of the Torpedo, it will go in my junk box along with all my spare o-rings and switches, etc. If it's included with the purchase of the Torpedo and increases the price and/or production time, I would be slightly grumpy, but I would still get the Torpedo.

    Thanks for the quick feedback. Much appreciated as always.

    Making an endcap is easy enough all things considered.
    I could possibly make some battery holders of 10440 & 10250 size so you could carry whichever.
    I need to check on quantity (minimum's) to make sure its doable at a reasonable price,

    and yes as Bigmac mentioned, it should not be the cause of a delay (dont think it would be),
    but perhaps could be an option going forward or even a standalone product, in various sizes?

    tgwnn

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