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    Wink2 JetBeam RRT-21 & RRT-15 (XM-L) Review: RUNTIMES, BEAMSHOTS, VIDEO & more!

    Warning: even more pic heavy than usual.




    The RRT-21 (1x18650, 2xCR123A/RCR) and RRT-15 (3xCR123A/2x18500) are the two latest members of the recently re-designed JetBeam Rapid Response Tactical series (see my original RRT-2 review here). Both lights feature a continuously-variable magnetic control ring. Let's see how they compare to the competition, shall we?

    Common Manufacturer's Specifications:
    • LED: CREE XM-L T6
    • Rapid Response Control Ring for infinite adjustability
    • Reflector: Aluminum Reflector
    • Lens: Toughened ultra-clear mineral glass with anti-reflective coating
    • Material: Aircraft Grade Aluminum Alloy
    • Finish: Military Grade Type III Hard-anodized
    • Rated IPX-8 Waterproof
    • Impact Resistance in accordance with MIL-STD-810F
    • Switch: Tactical Forward Click Switch
    • Stainless steel retaining ring on the bezel protects the head from drops and impacts.
    • Innovative new hybrid reflector specially designed for CREE LED offers an improved beam with a superior throw
    • Newly designed high efficiency broad voltage drive circuit
    • Floating positive end, designed for better contact
    • Candle Stand Tailcap

    RRT-21 Specific Specs:
    • Maximum Output: 480 lumens with a throw of 508.5 Feet (155m)
    • Battery: 2xCR123A, 2xRCR123 or 1x18650 Li-ion
    • Dimensions: Head Diameter: 1.34" (34mm), Tube Diameter .91" (23mm), Total Length 5.63" (143mm)
    • Weight: 4.83oz (137g)
    • MSRP: ~$105

    RRT-15 Specific Specs:
    • Maximum Output: 480 lumens with a throw of 748 Feet (228m)
    • Battery: 3xCR123
    • Dimensions: Head Diameter: 1.89" (48mm), Tube Diameter: 1" (25.4mm), Total Length 7.4" (188mm)
    • Weight: 7.5oz (200g)
    • MSRP: ~$120







    The lights come in standard JetBeam packaging – hard cardboard box with magnetic closing flap, and cut-out foam to secure the light. Inside you will find the light, wrist lanyard, spare o-rings, tailcap button cover, and manual. There is also a removable pocket clip installed on the light.




    From left to right: JetBeam Jet-III M; Nitecore IFE2; JetBeam RRT-21, RRT-15; Olight M31; Surefire UB3T

    All dimensions are given with no batteries installed:

    JetBeam RRT-21: Weight: 137.3g, Length 143.3mm, Width (bezel) 33.8mm
    Sunwayman V20C: Weight: 117.4g, Length 133.0mm, Width (bezel) 32.2mm
    Nitecore IFE2: Weight: 65.1g, Length 127.1mm, Width (bezel) 23.6mm

    JetBeam RRT-15: Weight: 203.2g, Length 187mm, Width (bezel): 48.7mm
    Surefire UB3T: Weight: 311.1g, Length 229mm, Width (bezel): 63.1 mm
    Olight M31 (no extender): Weight: 258.1g, Length 209mm, Width (bezel): 62.3mm
    Lumintop TD-15X (no extender): Weight 150.3g, Length 147.3mm, Width (bezel) 37.8mm

    The overall weight and dimensions of the RRT lights are reasonable for their classes. The RRT-15 is smaller than most dedicated 3xCR123A lights.

    The overall build is virtually the same, so I'll just show one set of pics below:





    Build is good quality for both lights. Anodizing is an excellent dark gray, very smooth and consistent. Labels are clear and bright white.

    Overall build is reminiscent of some of the recent Nitecore lights, as well as the JetBeam B-series budget lights (note that both brands are now owned by Sysmax). There is knurling on the magnetic control rings of each light, and the RRT-15 has additional knurling on the body (although it isn't very aggressive in either location). With the removable clip attached, I would say grip is good on both lights.

    The clip is actually fairly basic, although it fits on firmly enough – a standard removable clip-on style, as found on the B-series lights.

    There are a fair number of screw threads, anodized for tailcap lock-out.

    There is a raised post on the positive contact plate in the head, so higher capacity flat-top cells can be used.

    Both lights can tailstand, but I find them a little wobbly.

    There are clear detents on the magnetic control ring for Strobe, Off, and Max. There are no labels indicating these modes, though.

    Which brings me to a more detailed examination of the build and user interface, starting with a video overview:



    Video was recorded in 480p, but YouTube defaults to 360p. Once the video is running, you can click on the 360p icon in the lower right-hand corner, and select the higher 480p option, or even run full-screen.

    User Interface

    The RRT-21 and RRT-15 have the same interface. Both lights have a forward tailcap clicky - press and release for momentary on, click for locked on.

    Mode switching is controlled by the magnetic control ring in the head. The lights use an identical continuously-variable interface – you control the output level by twisting the ring. You can select your desired mode while the light is off (i.e., relative position of the ring).

    The ring traverses a little under 1/2 of the circumference of the light, which I personally like. When holding the light in front of you, turning the ring clockwise (i.e. to the right) increases the output level. There is a clear and firm detent just below the minimum output, which is a standby "Off" mode. A little further pass standby is another detent for the Strobe mode.

    The control ring has good grip thanks to the knurling, but there are no labels indicating relative output modes.

    Ramping Pattern

    The RRT-21 and RRT-15 do not use what is commonly referred to as a "visually-linear" or logarithmic ramp, unfortunately. I find this rather surprising, given the Nitecore IFE2 has a well-implemented "visually-linear" ramp.

    To explain, "visually-linear" is usually taken to mean a logarithmic ramp as opposed to an actual circuit-linear ramp of outputs. The reason for this is that we perceive brightness in a non-linear way (actually, not just brightness - most of our sensory perceptions are non-linear). This is part of why twice the lumens doesn't appear twice as bright to us - lumens are an objective (linear) measure of output, and our subjective perceptions are not linear. A logarithmic adjustment has long been used to try to adjust for our relative visual perceptions (e.g. the stops of camera are logarithmic).

    However a logarithmic adjustment is not entirely accurate – it is just a rough approximation of how our eyes and brain adapt to varying output levels (and one based on Victorian-era science at that). More extensive scientific research over the last several decades has revealed distinct power relationships that better correlate to our various relative sensory perceptions. For perceived brightness, the currently accepted linearization method is actually a cube root of output. For a full discussion of this - including detailed graphs and primary literature references - please see post #3 in my Sunwayman V10A review.

    To put that in practical context, here is what the RRT-21 and RRT-15 look like in my lightbox, compared to two other lights of the same class also use "visually-linear" (i.e., logarithmic) ramping control rings.





    The V20C has a similar pattern to the Nitecore IFE2, which clearly differs from the JetBeam RRT-21/15. Looking at the above graphs, it may appear to you that there is something wrong with the V20C and IFE2 – nothing happens over the early portion of the ring. In fact, the light is adjusting the output – it is just that it does so in a non-linear fashion, starting at really low levels and slowly ramping up.

    A much better way to depict how we perceive this change is to plot the lightbox output on a cube-root scale, the Stevens’ power law relationship:





    This is what you can expect to see when you handle the lights (note both RRT lights have identical outputs and ramp patterns). Thus, the RRT-21/15 spend the largest portion of their ramp in the near maximal range of perceived output levels. There is a relatively narrow range of the ring that controls the perceived low levels. The lights do not go as low as some other continuously-variable lights (see my Summary Tables later in this review for some lumen estimates).

    Personally, I prefer the nearly "visual-linear" ramp of the V20C and IFE2, as they provide a better subjective experience – plus greater control over a wider dynamic range (thanks to the lower Lo modes).

    Current Draw

    I have measured the battery current draw at the standby "Off" detent of both lights. For the RRT-21, I get 19.2mA on both 1x18650 and 2xCR123A, which for a standard 2400mAh 18650 and 1500mAh CR123A, would translate into 5.2 days and 3.3 days respectively (before fully-charged cells would be completely drained). For the RRT-15, I measured 19.1mA on 2x18500 and 3xCR123A, giving you a comparable 3.3 days.

    These are significant current drains, so I recommend you always fully lock-out the light by either clicking the tailcap off, or unscrewing a quarter turn.

    To put these numbers into perspective, these current draws on standby are about twice as high as the Nitecore IFE2, and 270 times higher than the Sunwayman V20C.

    Note that this also means you can't expect more than a couple of days of runtime at the lowest outputs (i.e., by definition, current draw when on can't be less than the standby current). This is common with most lights with continuously-variable control rings – the circuit overhead is considerable, limiting runtimes at the lowest levels.

    PWM/Strobe

    RRT-21:


    RRT-15:


    Strobe was measured at a consistent "tactical" 12.7 Hz on both RRT lights.

    PWM is a bit harder to assess. Subjectively, I didn't notice any flicker, and my oscilloscope didn't detect standard "square-wave" PWM (i.e. a constant frequency, where the duty cycle changes with output). Instead, a variety of high-frequency noise was observed, whose frequency sometimes varied with the output setting.

    Note that none of this was visible to the eye, but here are the oscilloscope traces if you are interested:

    RRT-21 Max:



    Max output on the RRT-21 switched between a 15 kHz and 22 kHz signal, with a regular pattern.

    RRT-21 Relatively Hi:


    RRT-21 Mid-level:


    A different secondary pattern was obtained as I lowered the output, although still with a 22 kHz core harmonic.

    RRT-21 Lo-level:


    By the lower levels, the frequency had shifted to a more consistent 15 kHz on the RRT-21.

    On the RRT-15, a similar pattern was observed, though varying from 9 to 11 lHz.

    RRT-15 Max:


    RRT-15 Mid-level:


    Note that none of this was visible by eye – the noise is of sufficiently high frequency so as to be invisible. For all intents and purposes, you shouldn't notice anything but consistently smooth output.

    Beamshots:







    Both lights use Cree XM-L emitters (well centered on my samples, with a surrounding mask). The RRT-21 reflector has a very light level of stippling (i.e., those faint concentric rings you can see above), but is otherwise smooth. The RRT-15 has medium-to-heavy orange peel effect (i.e., a textured reflector). I would expect a fairly typical beam pattern for the RRT-21, for a light of this size. The RRT-15 should have decent throw, given the reflector size, but likely not as great as those lights with a smooth reflector.

    And now the white-wall beamshots. All lights are on max output, on 1x18650 or 2x18500/3xCR123A (depending on the class of light). Lights are about ~0.75 meter from a white wall (with the camera ~1.25 meters back from the wall). Automatic white balance on the camera, to minimize tint differences.













    Beam profile of the RRT-21 is remarkably similar to the Sunwayman V20C. An overall balanced beam for a XM-L light.













    As expected, the RRT-15 has reasonably good throw. However, it is not as focused for throw as some others in this class with smooth reflectors/optics. Max output also seems lower than typical (scroll down to my Summary Tables for a detailed comparison).

    UPDATE Nov 15, 2011: And now for the outdoor shots. These beamshots were done in the style of my earlier 100-yard round-up review. Please see that thread for a discussion of the topography (i.e. the road dips in the distance, to better show you the corona in the mid-ground).




    Sorry, the PA40 should say 4x, not 8x.

    Testing Method:

    All my output numbers are relative for my home-made light box setup, a la Quickbeam's flashlightreviews.com method. You can directly compare all my relative output values from different reviews - i.e. an output value of "10" in one graph is the same as "10" in another. All runtimes are done under a cooling fan, except for any extended run Lo/Min modes (i.e. >12 hours) which are done without cooling.

    I have recently devised a method for converting my lightbox relative output values (ROV) to estimated Lumens. See my How to convert Selfbuilt's Lighbox values to Lumens thread for more info.

    Throw/Output Summary Chart:

    Effective November 2010, I have revised my summary tables to match with the current ANSI FL-1 standard for flashlight testing. Please see http://www.sliderule.ca/FL1.htm for a description of the terms used in these tables.







    I am happy to report that the published output and throw specs for these lights seem very accurate and consistent to what I observed.

    Max and min output is virtually identical between the RRT-21 and RRT-15 (as you could also tell from the ramping charts). Overall max output is around middle-of-the-pack for a 2xCR123A/1x18650 XM-L light.

    As expected from the beamshots, overall output and throw of the RRT-21 are very similar to the V20C. Again, a good balanced beam.

    I’ve put two sets of Min values in the tables for the recent ramping lights; the first number is the minimum output when ramping down the light (before hitting Off), the second number (in brackets) is the lowest output when ramping up from Off. Many of these lights come on at a slightly higher output than they can ramp down to.



    The RRT-15 has reasonable throw for the size, but absolute max output and throw are low for this class of 3xCR123A/2x18500 lights.

    Output/Runtime Comparison:









    RRT-21 runtimes are very good - about what you would typically expect to see for a good-quality, defined-level 2xCR123A/1x18650 XM-L-based light. Considering the RRT-21 is continuously-variable (with a much greater range of outputs), that is very impressive.



    The RRT-15 also has a typical runtime profile for a good 3xCR123A light. I don't have a lot of data on 2x18500, but below I will compare the RRT-15 on 2x18500 to other lights on 2x18650 and 3xRCR:








    Again, the RRT-15 is surprisingly efficient on 2x18500 (1500mAh) – matched for output, runtimes are typically comparable to 2x18650 (2200mAh), on most XM-L-based lights. The RRT-15 on 2x18500 definitely outperforms 3xRCR-equipped competitor lights.

    Potential Issues

    Magnetic control ring ramp is not "visually-linear", as some competing lights are.

    Lights do not go to as low output levels as some competing lights (but ~3 lumens is still respectable, and lower than most lights with defined levels).

    Standby current is relatively high, and will drain a fully charged battery within a few of days. Recommend you all store the light either clicked-off, or locked out at the tailcap.

    I experienced a switch failure on my RRT-21 sample shortly after testing began (I was able to complete testing using the RRT-15 tailcap on both lights). JetBeam is sending me a replacement switch.

    Preliminary Observations

    The JetBeam RRT-15 and RRT-21 are solid lights, well-made with a number of good design features.

    They do differ somewhat in appearance from the earlier high-end JetBeam lights. While those lights were also high-quality, they were often a little rough-around-the-edges (i.e. they felt more like custom lights at times). These new specimens are very "polished" by comparison, but may not be as heavily distinguished from the B-series of JetBeam lights as some would like.

    Of course, the JetBeam B-series lights are remarkably good quality for the price. But I note that the threading diameter and thickness here seems to be same as the B-series lights (e.g. the BC40 tailcap screws onto and activates these lights, although isn't as deep overall). Normally, I see square-cut threads on higher-end lights like these. Similarly, the reflector in the RRT-15 has exactly the same appearance and dimensions as my BC40 (which may explain the odd choice of a more textured reflector on the "throwier" RRT light). Even the (fairly basic) pocket clips here seem to be virtually the same design as the BA/BC series pocket lights.

    That said, I certainly like the excellent quality of the natural-finish anodizing on these RRT lights (a very Sunwayman-like dark gray, as opposed to the earlier sandy-gray colored JetBeams). I also like the knurling on the control ring, which makes it easy to access. And I personally like the length of the traverse (i.e. around half the circumference of the light), although I know some like it shorter.

    User interface is good, with clear and sharp detents (and with SOS "hidden" below the standby-Off detent). Unfortunately, the control ring ramp is not "visually-linear", so that means you will spend most of that ring traverse choosing between what appears to be mainly near-max levels.

    I am happy to report that JetBeam seems to be very accurate in their ANSI FL-1 output, throw and runtime specs for these lights. I also like the lack of visible PWM.

    Overall efficiency is excellent on both lights – remarkably so, given their continuously-variable interface (i.e. they match or exceed a number of defined-level lights). I was particularly impressed with the performance of the RRT-15 on 2x18500 cells – outstanding runtime for a continuously-variable light, given the 1500mAh rated capacity of those cells (i.e. matches most defined-level lights on 2200mAh 18650).

    The new RRT lights by JetBeam certainly have a lot going for them. If JetBeam were to integrate the comparable "visually-linear" ramp of their sister-company Nitecore (i.e. IFE2), I think the interface would be just about perfect. But output/runtime performance is already excellent on these lights as is, and build quality is solid.

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    RRT-15 and RRT-21 provided by JetBeam for review.
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    Given the recent release of the Sunwayman V20C, I am sure a lot of users would like to know how it compares to the RRT-21.

    I don't normally make direct commentary comparisons, but this is an unusual situation - these continuously-variable lights have almost identical beams, similar max output, and virtually identical output/runtime efficiencies at all levels. When you consider both builds are very high quality, how do you choose between them?

    The main difference is the V20C has a "visually-linear" ramp with a much greater number of low levels (absolute min output is much lower). It also has a much lower standby drain (although that shouldn't matter, as you should always store the light clicked off or locked out). The traverse of the control ring on the V20C is also a lot less than the RRT-21 (i.e. about half), and the RRT-21 lacks any labels on its ring. The V20C is also marginally smaller, so may be easier to pocket.

    Personally, my ideal is probably somewhere in-between these differences (i.e. I like the ring traverse length of the RRT-21, but wished it had the visually-linear ramp and lower outputs of the V20C). I also personally like a minimum of labeling.

    At the end of the day, I don't think you would go wrong with either – performance and overall build is comparable, so it really comes down to the specifics of the control interface. I recommend you decide on your relative preference for the ring characteristics and overall build styling.
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    Default Re: JetBeam RRT-21 & RRT-15 (XM-L) Review: RUNTIMES, BEAMSHOTS, VIDEO & more!

    Great review as always, thanks...

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    Great review. In your opinion, between the new rrt-21 and the older rrt-2, which one would you say has a better build quality? You kind of touch on this, but just wondering what version is a more solid light. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by veedo View Post
    Great review. In your opinion, between the new rrt-21 and the older rrt-2, which one would you say has a better build quality? You kind of touch on this, but just wondering what version is a more solid light. Thanks.
    That's really hard to say. I certainly like the new control ring and interface, and the attempt to support tailstanding. I suppose the original RRT-2 had a bit more "bling" (with that stainless steel tailcap ring, etc). But the control ring feels better here.

    Overall, I guess you could say equivalent but different, if that makes sense.
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    Default Re: JetBeam RRT-21 & RRT-15 (XM-L) Review: RUNTIMES, BEAMSHOTS, VIDEO & more!

    Thanks for the great review, as usual, very informative
    I will be ordering a RRT-21 and I can choose between OP or SMO, any recommendation ?

    Thanks very much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eh123456 View Post
    I will be ordering a RRT-21 and I can choose between OP or SMO, any recommendation ?
    Well, that would depend on which one I had. I would think my RRT-21 has a SMO reflector, but there is slight stipling on the surface.

    If throw doesn't matter to you, I would stick with OP. In my case, the beam is quite pretty for a (largely) SMO reflector. But you run a greater likelihood of artifacts or a donut with a SMO reflector (i.e. these things vary from sample to sample).
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    Thank you for excellent review!
    Do you plan to make a review of RRT-3 XML?

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    I think I'd rather have the RRT-15 over the 21.

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    Excellent review as always selfbuilt .

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    Quote Originally Posted by agt View Post
    Do you plan to make a review of RRT-3 XML?
    Haven't discussed it with JetBeam, but I would be happy do test one if they offer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by veedo View Post
    Great review. In your opinion, between the new rrt-21 and the older rrt-2, which one would you say has a better build quality? You kind of touch on this, but just wondering what version is a more solid light. Thanks.
    I got my RRT-2 XM-L 2 days ago. I think RRT-2 has better build quality. I can feel the weight and toughness of the material. However, I don't own either RRT-21 or RRT-15.

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    I had to choose between the RRT-21 and the new RRT-2 few days ago. To me, the RRT-2 definitely looks better, and looks like it has better build quality too, but finally, I chose the RRT-21 because the RRT-2 is NOTICEABLY heavier, if you plan to use it as EDC, it is something to think about.

    Quote Originally Posted by veedo View Post
    Great review. In your opinion, between the new rrt-21 and the older rrt-2, which one would you say has a better build quality? You kind of touch on this, but just wondering what version is a more solid light. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eh123456 View Post
    I had to choose between the RRT-21 and the new RRT-2 few days ago. To me, the RRT-2 definitely looks better, and looks like it has better build quality too, but finally, I chose the RRT-21 because the RRT-2 is NOTICEABLY heavier, if you plan to use it as EDC, it is something to think about.
    Agreed, RRT-2 is heavy especially the head part.

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    Great review as always .

    I was waiting for your review on the RRT-21 as I'm planning on replacing my old Jet-3 IBS with the RRT-21 in near future .

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    Quote Originally Posted by theix View Post
    Agreed, RRT-2 is heavy especially the head part.
    Yes, that is true - from my reviews (without battery installed):

    RRT-21: Weight: 137.3g, Length 143.3mm, Width (bezel) 33.8mm
    RRT-2: Weight 172.4g, Length 150mm, Width (bezel) 35mm

    Overall dimensions are comparable, but the RRT-2 is noticeably "front-heavy" in comparison. Note that my RRT-2 is one of the first models (XR-E R2), so I'm not sure if anything has changed on the XP-G or XM-L versions.

    As for build, the tailcap and clicky seem more robust to me on the original RRT-2 (but again, don't know what the currently shipping ones are like). Definitely prefer the attempt for tailstanding on the RRT-21 (doesn't really block a thumb/finger too badly, and tailstands with some wobble).

    EDIT: Judging from this recent RRT-2 thread, it looks like the new RRT-2 has a very similar (though not identical) tailcap to the RRT-21. The actual switch looks identical.
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    Nice review, Ive been waiting for this one. What would you say the current is on max output?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mags View Post
    Nice review, Ive been waiting for this one. What would you say the current is on max output?
    Sorry, haven't measured it, and am out of town for a week. Can try to and take a look when I get back.
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    Default Re: JetBeam RRT-21 & RRT-15 (XM-L) Review: RUNTIMES, BEAMSHOTS, VIDEO & more!

    How would you compare build quality between RRT15 and PC25? About the same?

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    Default Re: JetBeam RRT-21 & RRT-15 (XM-L) Review: RUNTIMES, BEAMSHOTS, VIDEO & more!

    Thanks for the review Selfbuilt! I love the size of the RRT-15... it's what I call a XL EDC. I carry my light in a SAP pocket - currently am EDCing the Thrunite scorpion turbohead and was looking forward to this light.

    I was shocked when I first saw jetbeams lux #'s... I thought even though it's not driven as hard as the Scorpion I thought it would at least keep up with the larger head but alas...not even close!
    I'm still thinking of getting one though just for the body and driving it to 3+ amps and putting a smooth reflector in...

    Just curious... does it light up at all for emergency use with 2 AA's like the TA30 used to do?

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    Default Re: JetBeam RRT-21 & RRT-15 (XM-L) Review: RUNTIMES, BEAMSHOTS, VIDEO & more!

    thanks selfbuilt

    RRT-15 head + RRT-21 body working with 1x18650 Li-ion





    beamshot comparison RRT-21, 15, BC40 neutral (last two, 15 and BC40nw)


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    Default Re: JetBeam RRT-21 & RRT-15 (XM-L) Review: RUNTIMES, BEAMSHOTS, VIDEO & more!

    Quote Originally Posted by gopajti View Post
    thanks selfbuilt

    RRT-15 head + RRT-21 body working with 1x18650 Li-ion





    beamshot comparison RRT-21, 15, BC40 neutral (last two, 15 and BC40nw)

    Nice find! Is there any brightness differences between using RRT-15 head w/RRT15 body and RRT21 body?

    I just picked up RRT15 yesterday from the local dealer. Built quality is far more superior than PC25.

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    Default Re: JetBeam RRT-21 & RRT-15 (XM-L) Review: RUNTIMES, BEAMSHOTS, VIDEO & more!

    Interesting on the hugh weight difference... is the bezel the same diameter on the RRT1 and RRT 15? Here it looks like the 15 has a diameter of 48.7mm - for what ever reason I've seen different sizes listed for the RRT 1 bezel... In fact I was wondering if they actually did change the size at some point?

    Quote Originally Posted by selfbuilt View Post
    Yes, that is true - from my reviews (without battery installed):

    RRT-21: Weight: 137.3g, Length 143.3mm, Width (bezel) 33.8mm
    RRT-2: Weight 172.4g, Length 150mm, Width (bezel) 35mm

    Overall dimensions are comparable, but the RRT-2 is noticeably "front-heavy" in comparison. Note that my RRT-2 is one of the first models (XR-E R2), so I'm not sure if anything has changed on the XP-G or XM-L versions.

    As for build, the tailcap and clicky seem more robust to me on the original RRT-2 (but again, don't know what the currently shipping ones are like). Definitely prefer the attempt for tailstanding on the RRT-21 (doesn't really block a thumb/finger too badly, and tailstands with some wobble).

    EDIT: Judging from this recent RRT-2 thread, it looks like the new RRT-2 has a very similar (though not identical) tailcap to the RRT-21. The actual switch looks identical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theix View Post
    I just picked up RRT15 yesterday from the local dealer. Built quality is far more superior than PC25.
    It better have better build quality than the PC25 -- it costs 56% more.

    Jetbeam continues to be my favorite brand of non-custom lights. They seem to be the General Motors (ideal) of flashlights -- a light for every purse and purpose, and none of them (in recent memory) were low-quality relative to their price.

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    Default Re: JetBeam RRT-21 & RRT-15 (XM-L) Review: RUNTIMES, BEAMSHOTS, VIDEO & more!

    selfbuilt, thanks again for another great review!

    Out of curiosity, have you run the RRT21 or any other broad voltage lights with 2 x IMR18350? If so, are there any issues with the batteries fitting?

    Also, is there any advantage to running an IMR18650 in the RRT-21 vs. 'regular' 18650? I understand IMR's are meant for high-drain lights with less runtime as a trade-off but just curious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RGB_LED View Post
    Out of curiosity, have you run the RRT21 or any other broad voltage lights with 2 x IMR18350? If so, are there any issues with the batteries fitting?
    Don't have any to try, but if 18650 fit (as they do for the RRT21), you should be ok.

    Also, is there any advantage to running an IMR18650 in the RRT-21 vs. 'regular' 18650? I understand IMR's are meant for high-drain lights with less runtime as a trade-off but just curious.
    As you observe, not really (unless you like lower capacity and no protection circuits ). Frankly, I don't really see the point of IMR18650 for LED lights - most multi-power lights will not be driven hard enough to benefit from IMR chemistry. The RRT-21 certainly doesn't need IMR18650 - best to stick with protected cells.
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    Default Re: JetBeam RRT-21 & RRT-15 (XM-L) Review: RUNTIMES, BEAMSHOTS, VIDEO & more!

    Thanks selfbuilt, the main reason I asked about the 18350's is that I recommended the RRT-21 to a friend but he only has an RCR123 charger and going with 18650 would mean he would need to buy a new charger when he is trying to keep his costs down.

    Thanks also for your observations and responses about the 18650 - always great to have an expert's opinion!
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    Default Re: JetBeam RRT-21 & RRT-15 (XM-L) Review: RUNTIMES, BEAMSHOTS, VIDEO & more!

    A really good review.

    I just wanted to double check if the RRT-15 can be run on 3 x RCR123 batteries (despite being higher voltage than the CR123 batteries).

    This would avoid the need for an extender tube to take 2 x 18650.

    (18500 batteries don't appear to be on sale in the UK)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moriarty View Post
    I just wanted to double check if the RRT-15 can be run on 3 x RCR123 batteries (despite being higher voltage than the CR123 batteries).
    Good question, I don't know. The JetBeam specs don't list an operating voltage for the circuit, and only describe support for 3xCR123A primary batteries.

    The difference required for RCR is substantial - you need almost 13V for RCR compared to just over 9V for CR123A (i.e. nominal RCR can exceed 4.2V each). 2x18500 is generally a safe bet in 3xCR123A lights (i.e. 9V is plenty for 2x18500).

    Personally, I would be unwilling to try 3xRCR without confirmation from JetBeam (or someone who has run it without issues).
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    Quote Originally Posted by selfbuilt View Post
    Good question, I don't know. The JetBeam specs don't list an operating voltage for the circuit, and only describe support for 3xCR123A primary batteries.

    The difference required for RCR is substantial - you need almost 13V for RCR compared to just over 9V for CR123A (i.e. nominal RCR can exceed 4.2V each). 2x18500 is generally a safe bet in 3xCR123A lights (i.e. 9V is plenty for 2x18500).

    Personally, I would be unwilling to try 3xRCR without confirmation from JetBeam (or someone who has run it without issues).
    Many thanks for the reply.

    I shall go with the 2 x 18650 option (with extender) which will keep the voltage below that of 3 x CR123 primaries.

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