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    Default Re: The SureFire P2X-B "Fury" 500lu flashlight thread

    The X-type handheld flashlights are not for weapon-mounted applications. This has always been a given of these new handhelds.

    So they may well eventually suffer physical damage as a result of weapon recoil.
    My point was that "bare circuitry exposed to the batteries" was conflating without the context that we now understand relates to [the desire to use] misuse the P2X-B as a weapon-mounted light.

    Bare circuity it is not. SureFire's electronics are conformal coated.

    The circuity (PCB) featuring the positive contact for the battery without any intermediate physical component(s) is certainly the case.

    SureFire could have designed this contact in any way they wanted and have experience with many different methods including ones like they have used for the X-type handheld flashlights. So to give these lights their "No-Hassle Warranty" SureFire would want to be confident that this design is capable of performing reliably and robustly for the applications and uses for which SureFire designed and marketed them for.

    I agree it has the makings of a badass handheld.
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    Default Re: The SureFire P2X-B "Fury" 500lu flashlight thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Size15's View Post

    I agree it has the makings of a badass handheld.
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    So this coating, is it to prevent what? Like leaking battery corrosion?
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    I can confirm if you do look down the body of the light the positive contact is just a pad on some PCB. You can see some traces but there are no components on that side of the board.

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    I share your concerns Tack Driver. I got my hands on both the G2X and 6PX models very early and experimented a bit with them for various applications - including weapon mounting. I concluded that they weren't for me as I had other lights of similar or greater output that were - in my opinion - much tougher and offered a greater forgiveness in impact protection and sustained abuse. I could easily see the potential of a cracked board from a recoiling battery, and although I am far from an "operator", I configure weapons grade applications as close to "to Hell and back" reliability as possible. It also diminished the "Surefire Tough" label for me personally (given a cheaper price point).

    On the flip side, I think that Al is dead-on (as he usually is) describing the P2X-B for what it is... one "badass handheld". Although I think there are more rugged designs available from Surefire and others, I'll be acquiring one of the P2X-B models and let it prove or disprove its resilience to me in use. It will stay off my weapons however.

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    Does anyone know what happens with this design if the tube is flooded? Will this damage the electronics? Will the water stop at the board or can it flood the head (beyond the board)?

    Just curious as my lights have way of getting wet from time to time.

    Quote Originally Posted by w00tb0t View Post
    I can confirm if you do look down the body of the light the positive contact is just a pad on some PCB. You can see some traces but there are no components on that side of the board.

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    Default Re: The SureFire P2X-B "Fury" 500lu flashlight thread

    My search for info on this new "Fury" led me here to this forum. I have several Surefires and have carried at least one everyday for years. Before I rush out to buy this latest toy can anyone give me an idea as to how the beam quality of the Fury compares to the TIR beam of the Backup or x300? 500 lumens sounds great and I love the brand but beam quality is everything for my use.

    Thanks.

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    If it is fresh water, you should be able to rescue it by drying it out carefully.

    If the light is flooded with salt water, it will be unlikely to survive, as the batteries will short out and most likely vent, causing disagreeable bubbles and eruptions.

    If despite a soaking in salt water the light appears physically undamaged, you could try rinsing the salt off with fresh water and then drying it out.
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    We're drifting off-topic but if a SureFire has been flooded then one thing you could consider is careful flushing/rinsing with the purest water you can get.
    It's unlikely you'll have access to type 2 water that's typically used to wash lab glassware but the point is to flush out as much contamination as possible.
    As important is to allow the flashlight to dry very slowly. Warm dry air for a week is better than a high-heat blast for minutes.

    The electronics are conformal coated - there's a photo floating around with the electronics of a SureFire working underwater. It's not healthy for the LED, and certainly not heavy for the SF123As to be wet.
    In fact remove and never use the batteries again.

    Of course don't forget it is a good idea to contact SureFire first and see what they suggest.

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    Battery Junction shipped mine out today. Yay!

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    I just recieved my new Surefire Fury and it is bad ass I will be selling my Surefire M6 now as it is not needed , this thing is bright .

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    About the possible water in electronics... after it was rinsed with fresh water and air dried, try leaving it in RAW UNCOOKED RICE for few days... The rice does WONDERS with pulling moisture out of electronic devices w/o the need to open them. Just get some tupperware, fill it up with rice high enough not to see device you want to dry... :-)

    Mods, sorry for off topic...

    Wow... Surefire that was delivered for distro when promised... I bet that doesn't happen a lot... :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Size15's View Post
    We're drifting off-topic but if a SureFire has been flooded then one thing you could consider is careful flushing/rinsing with the purest water you can get.
    It's unlikely you'll have access to type 2 water that's typically used to wash lab glassware but the point is to flush out as much contamination as possible.
    As important is to allow the flashlight to dry very slowly. Warm dry air for a week is better than a high-heat blast for minutes.

    The electronics are conformal coated - there's a photo floating around with the electronics of a SureFire working underwater. It's not healthy for the LED, and certainly not heavy for the SF123As to be wet.
    In fact remove and never use the batteries again.

    Of course don't forget it is a good idea to contact SureFire first and see what they suggest.
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    The thing should be beware of besides electronics is the inner wall of body, it is not anodized artificially but only a natural layer of oxide and should take some time to remove the salt as much as possible

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    Default Re: The SureFire P2X-B "Fury" 500lu flashlight thread

    SureFire uses RoHS compliant clear chemfilm to protect non-anodised aluminium surfaces such as the insides of bodies.

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    Default Re: The SureFire P2X-B "Fury" 500lu flashlight thread

    SureFire uses RoHS compliant clear chemfilm to protect non-anodised aluminium surfaces such as the insides of bodies.

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    Ohh.... never knew that... anymore info

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    Default Re: The SureFire P2X-B "Fury" 500lu flashlight thread

    Threads have discussed SureFire's change from the golden but 'toxic' chemfilm to the RoHS friendly clear version.

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    That's because they're made in the Nanny State, AKA the Socialist Republik of Kalifornia; If they were made in Arizona, for example, they'd still be nice and golden!

    The type III anno, excellent machining, AND the fact that all internal surfaces and threads were also golden plated ("coated") was what attracted me to my first SureFire, a round body, teardrop bezel, twisty E2, which I still own (but as noted earlier, have since replaced the badly scratched teardrop bezel with a newer hex/Pyrex model.
    I'd rather have a flashlight in front of me than a "frontal flashlightomy"!

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    Does Surefire actually make the Fury ? there is not one word about it on there website perhaps it should have been called the Ghost

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    Default Re: The SureFire P2X-B "Fury" 500lu flashlight thread

    See posts #124 and 125.
    I'd rather have a flashlight in front of me than a "frontal flashlightomy"!

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    I know they make them I just recieved mine in the mail yesterday , I just thought it was funny there isnt any mention of it on the website yet , in fact if it wasnt for this thread I would not even have known about it .

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    Quote Originally Posted by naked2 View Post
    That's because they're made in the Nanny State, AKA the Socialist Republik of Kalifornia; If they were made in Arizona, for example, they'd still be nice and golden!
    It's not just California that is following the European Union's lead in environmental stewardship, it's because SureFire want to sell products internationally and along with CE marking if you put goods covered by RoHS onto the EU market, they must not contain more than the allowed levels of certain hazardous substances.

    The Restriction of Hazardous Substances (RoHS) directive restricts the use of mercury, lead, hexavalent chromium, cadmium and a range of flame retardants notably polybrominated biphenyls and polybrominated diphenyl ethers. There are a number of exemptions for the use of the hazardous substances for specific technical uses where alternatives do not presently exist. There are also permissible maximum concentration values which allow for any trace presence.

    Quote Originally Posted by SureFire
    SureFire is not just committed to producing the world's finest illumination tools™ and tactical equipment — we're also committed to making SureFire products as environmentally friendly as possible. Consequently, we engineer and manufacture products to be RoHS (Restriction of Hazardous Substances) and WEEE (Waste Electrical and Electronic Equipment) compliant. All SureFire products and packaging shipped to destinations falling under the jurisdiction of RoHS and/or WEEE are tested and certified prior to shipping.
    http://www.surefire.com/rohs-weee

    Where there are alternatives such as in the case of the internal and threads protective finish this means no longer using the coloured Chem Film due to it containing hexavalent chromium.

    RoHS and WEEE are not obscure regulations for California (other States are considering similar regulations) - they are for the 27 member states of the European Union of almost 500 million people and regulate our impact on the rest of the world through the waste we generate and how we should manage it. RoHS and WEE are for human health and environmental protection what CE is for safety. They ensure that products are not only assessed for their safety in use but also at the end of life too.

    In this digital age the need to be responsible for our e-waste has never been greater. The impact illegal (or at the very least immoral) export of waste for processing in non-OECD countries such as China and India is having on human health and the environment is tragic, catastrophic and shaming all of us for our consumerism and greed.

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    I may not be totally in sync with you on all occasions Al but this was a brilliant post and thank you for highlighting the problems we cause for ourselves and others in the products we buy and use!

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    Man, still no beam shots... looking forward to seeing this one. I really don't think I'll be able to resist.

    Can anyone compare the beam to a common light? Thrower? Flood? Somewhere in between?

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    I know this has swayed off the topic a bit, so these will be my last comments.

    I don't disagree with the reasons for implementing standards like RoHS and WEEE, but also stand behind my views of the state in which I've lived my entire life, and still love, despite its socialistic tendencies. Countless businesses have left California for states with much more favorable regulations. Others have simply been forced out of business altogether, affecting countless business owners, their families, their employees, their employees families, etc.; a HUGE contributing factor of California's 2nd highest unemployment rate in the nation (announced today). Higher only is Nevada, sharing most of our eastern border, whose economy is DIRECTLY affected by ours. Of course, you guys have Greece; how they doin'?

    I do believe SureFire is somewhat concerned with the environment, but as you stated, Al, "it's because SureFire want to sell products internationally"; to sell, they MUST comply! And as far as this statement: "SureFire is not just committed to producing the world's finest illumination tools™ and tactical equipment — we're also committed to making SureFire products as environmentally friendly as possible", there are countless Californian's (officials and citizens alike) who would find many of SureFire's products, such as their high capacity magazines, not in any way friendly to the environment at all! But to be perfectly clear, I'm not one of them! By the way, possessing those magazines, as well as MANY other SureFire products is a felony charge for California citizens, but not in Nevada, Arizona, Montana, Wyoming, Utah, Texas, as well as many other states; further evidence of what I was pointing out about California in my earlier post.

    The main point I'm making, Al, is the statements by you and SureFire in your post all sound well and good, but the bottom line is that SureFire is in business to make a profit, and there's nothing wrong with that! And again, to be clear, I'm a proud SureFire owner, and proud SureFire is a California company, and am glad they've stayed here!

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    I see my new Fury has a Ce on it and it has an F with a C and a little c inside of the big C on the package , what is that for ?

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    Default Re: The SureFire P2X-B "Fury" 500lu flashlight thread

    Quote Originally Posted by hiluxxulih View Post
    I see my new Fury has a Ce on it and it has an F with a C and a little c inside of the big C on the package , what is that for ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hiluxxulih View Post
    I see my new Fury has a Ce on it and it has an F with a C and a little c inside of the big C on the package , what is that for ?
    FCC = Federal Communications Commission.

    Ce =

    The CE marking (an acronym for the French "Conformite Europeenne") certifies that a product has met EU health, safety, and environmental requirements, which ensure consumer safety.

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    Default Re: The SureFire P2X-B "Fury" 500lu flashlight thread

    This looks like it could be my next best duty flashlight. Does anyone know if it will fit the SF V70 holster? I haven't seen any specs on the diameter of the body, only the head. Does anyone know for sure the body diameter, other than the speculation I've read here and there?

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    Default Re: The SureFire P2X-B "Fury" 500lu flashlight thread

    Quote Originally Posted by steveG View Post
    Man, still no beam shots... looking forward to seeing this one. I really don't think I'll be able to resist.

    Can anyone compare the beam to a common light? Thrower? Flood? Somewhere in between?
    Matt provided selfbuilt with an invictus to review, perhaps the holiday spirit will strike him to provide a fury as well.

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    Default Re: The SureFire P2X-B "Fury" 500lu flashlight thread

    As most of you probably know, this new Fury's stats are listed as such (from batteryjunction's website):

    High: 500 lumens (1.5 hours)
    Low: 15 lumens (46 hours)
    Length: 5.4"
    Bezel: 1.375"
    Price: $155

    I am curious, other than the desire to just own a new Surefire model, what's the advantage of this $155 light, if you can put something like a 500-lumen Nailbender XM-L in a P60 body, and have almost identical stats, and arguably equal quality, for about half the price?

    For someone who isn't into the P60 lego game, I can see the attraction of this "budget" powerhouse from Surefire. But I see no advantage, and in fact I see some major disadvantages, when compared to what you can do these days with a P60 host. A year ago, I would have been all over this new Fury. But since then, I have gotten into rechargeable batteries, P60 hosts and drop-ins, and I can't justify anything about this light.

    Maybe if I see some beam shots, and hear some glowing reviews, I'll change my mind. Perhaps Surefire will come out with a single-mode version for someone who might like this Fury as a weapon-mounted light. But other than the best lumen/dollar ratio yet from Surefire, what's the attraction?

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