What would you pay for a 5 mode, 1000 lumen P-60 light?
"The Flogging Shall Continue Until Morale Improves!"
I'll let you know how it goes when I get it back from our Man liv'in in the Pacific Northwest! Oh we're throwing in a crane cam, roller rockers, carb, manifold, headers, gearing in the rear end, and a new tranny! We're shoot'in for the 1/4 mile single mode and not the gazillion mode Indy 500 type of races!
It's gonna be one heavy flashlight though, you think? I may have to take off the slicks, so it'll fit in a holster?
This dang Fury's got more frequent flyer miles then I do! ...
Last edited by AZPops; 07-24-2012 at 04:56 PM.
Finally broke down and bought a Fury. Much better than the Jetbeam BC50 I had, but my impressions are still mixed.
1. Looks good
3. Seems pretty sturdy
A. Way too slippery--no knurling or hard edges
B. SF's laser engraving keeps getting worse
C. Could use a higher "low" or a 3rd mode IMHO. For indoor daytime use 15 is too dim and 500 is too bright, but this is just nitpicking.
D. No worthwhile anti-roll
Already have a U2 and a P60 host so I don't think I'll keep it. The lack of grip really irritates me more than anything else, actually.
Do something alone and it's weird, do it with others and it's a club.
I am surprised about reading about P2X Fury beeing slipper. Neither the review by Lightreviews or Ledresource give that opinion. However, I will receive my example next week so I will then share my impression about it.
The Fury CombatLight (P2ZX-A) solves the "slippery" problems, in my opinion. However, the "-A" is the tactical single level only model. If SF introduces a "-B" version (two output levels) then that would be a better alternative for those that like a combat ring.
Since I have the original Fury (P2X-B) I bought the SureFire Combat Rings (CR-KIT01) to provide a better grip, especially when used with a handgun. The rings are not perfect since they will slide around with use but they work good enough for my purposes.
Last edited by Robert_M; 08-09-2012 at 01:29 PM. Reason: added photo
I just received P2X Fury, a bit earlier than I thought.
First impression: as all Surefire I have owned I instantly like this light! It has the typhical quality feeling of a Surefire. Smooth and nice design, pretty compact size. It could have been knurled but in my opinion it isn't still that slipper, it has a soft feeling which is very nice to hold and with a few edges. I experience no tendency for the light to glide away in the hand when I push the button, which is something I otherwise find annoying.
Unfortunately the design provides practically no antiroll function. The advantage however, compared to E2DL Defender is that P2X Fury will make no risk for the jacket pocket!
For me it's ok with the low mode first, if I instantly need high mode I have it within a second by pushing the button fast two times. The low is very low and the high is BRIGHT. Doing some ceiling bounce test it's definitely brighter than Jetbeam PA40N, the lux meter actually shows similar value as Fenix TK30 at 630lm mode. Brightness is between PA40 and Maelstrom X10. The beam is clean with a wide and very cool white hotspot but a purple tinted spill, like PA40.
The design also makes P2X Fury excellent to cover with the hand over the head for drawing off heat.
It came to my mind that I payed a lower price for P2X than as well my Outdoorsmans and Defender. That's good because as I mentioned it seems to be the same Surefire top-notch quality as the other.
I already feel that P2X Fury will be another favorite in my flashlight collection! This week-end I will have some fun with P2X Fury and Maelstrom X10!
After a few days experience with Fury I will share my thoughts:
*I can admit that Fury sometimes feels a bit too slippery. A small amount of grease from hands on the surface or when the fingers are dry are situations when the grip isn't good.
*15lm is good for some situations. But for such a 2-mode flashlight a low mode of 100lm would be much more useful and a great allround mode! For the very low modes I have the keychain light. The difference between 15 and 500lm is, as mentioned by other users, too big.
*I would like that Fury could be made in a 3CR123 model, or that the present model could be runned at 9V, with an extension tube. That would provide better runtime, a better hold and the light would still be pretty compact sized.
All you need is two o-rings! ...
Food for thought..... I run mine on two AWRCR 123's all the time with no issues. I accept the risk of a damaged light and a voided warranty. Voltage wise, It's no different than putting on a A19 extender and running on 2 x 17500's. I also tried mine for a short run with 3 x 123 primaries and it seemed to run fine. The Fury driver does have more head room than 6V. It should be a buck driver, and these are good typically to atleast 9V. I will not be trying 3 x RCR123's as 12+ volts is pushing it too far.
Last edited by AZPops; 08-18-2012 at 11:51 AM.
Well folks, our man live'in in the Pacific Northwest, Wayne aka Vinh "Does Not”, I repeat, “Does Not Disappoint"! I received the Fury that Wayne installed a XP-G2 which utilizes the OEM low/high driver, and an AW17670. This Fury throws with a nice bright hot spot which transitions nicely into the spill. The hot spot is bright, with the spill leaning toward the upper (cooler) end (or side) of neutral.
Comparing it to the driver change which Wayne did to my Eb1 which also now utilizes a secondary (?) RCR. The hot spot size is very close to being the same, however the spill is much brighter (or more usable imo). However that's were the similarities end, cause the Fury just fly's past E1b in brightness and of course throw.
Wayne, another Thumbs Up my friend!
Last edited by AZPops; 08-21-2012 at 02:33 AM.
Is SureFire Fury already losing?
Since I'm a relative noob at this, some things may strike me funny, but I'm not afraid to ask a stupid question. SureFire seems to be the top shelf choice in flashlights, however I'm perplexed by how their features seem to pale in comparison to the popular Chinese made lights. For example…
1. They can't take 18650 batteries.
2. The UI seems overly simplified. Not even a strobe option on the Fury.
3. Small optional features like the bezel and tailcap create a whole new complete light purchase, instead of being included or offered as an accessory kit.
I don't know; maybe these "short-comings" are the price to pay for a dramatically better built and more dependable light. It's hard for me to assess with my limited experience. What say you?
Last edited by Norm; 08-24-2012 at 02:14 PM.
whatever is most profitable, safe, reliable, and batteries which are commonly obtainable by end users, is what surefire sticks with
Last edited by Norm; 08-24-2012 at 02:15 PM.
posted by jh333233
Dont cheat me, im expert in using crap light
2. Keep it simple, i dont want to click a light ten times, then stand on my head for some fancy mode that is rarely used.
There's more to a light than its output.
The Fury is designed to specifically take CR123A batteries. As such, the battery tube is sized to accomodate the batteries snugly to reduce battery rattle. In the past Surefire has indicated that they do not support rechargables like the 18650 as there are too many variances in battery size and quality.1. They can't take 18650 batteries.
Additionally, these types of batteries require more care in their use - more than the regular user of a light is prepared to give. As such, when Surefire offers a light that accepts 18650's, they offer it in a light that has all of the protection circuitry and charge control built in, along with a safety that only allows the use of Surefire's proprietary batteries. The Surefire Lawman is an example of this.
Surefire offers the safer chemistry of the LifeP04 CR123A battery as a rechargable option for the Fury.
This was probably done to reduce complexity and cost. Beleive it or not, there is no such thing as being overly simple. The simpler something is to use, the more usable it becomes. In the land of computers, a good user interface is said to be one where a user can get to wherever they want in no more than 3 clicks of a mouse, and less is best. The Fury is designed to be a general purpose light.2. The UI seems overly simplified. Not even a strobe option on the Fury.
Believe me, for the unflashaholics out there, 2 modes is enough. I have co-workers who can't even get their head around clicking my e1b twice to get to a mode that doesn't blind them when they use it for close up work. There are Surefire's that have the extra modes like Strobe, but they're usually designed in a way that makes modes easy to get to - nothing more than 3 clicks I would expect. This obviously requires more complex switches, which in turn increases cost. Again, the Lawman is a good example this.
The older Surefire's used to offer extra features like bezels and tailcaps. The newer X series Surefire's (the LX2 possiblty being an exception) were developed in response to criticism that Surefire's were too expensive. To reduce cost, while still making their lights in America, and offering the lifetime warrantly, Surefire had to find ways of cutting corners in the design of their lights that didn't sacrifice reliability. One of these was to reduce the amount of screw threads used in the light, and loc-tite down these areas to negate any waterproofing/structural issues this would have caused.3. Small optional features like the bezel and tailcap create a whole new complete light purchase, instead of being included or offered as an accessory kit.
In short, the Fury is one of Surefire's budget lights. If you want more features, the ability to use rechargables like the 18650, and extra accessory lits, you would need to look at something like the Lawman.
I don't think I would have bought a Fury if it had a strobe feature. I have an AZ2 that has a strobe and I have never used it. I picked that model simply because it was on sale for less money than the version without the strobe and it is pretty easy to avoid activating accidentally.
I like Surefire's simplicity. If I want more modes, I have an excuse to buy more lights.
Do something alone and it's weird, do it with others and it's a club.
I want the dual output version of the fury, however, I also want to have the defender strike bezel. Would it be possible to do this?
Up until this year all my flashlights have been Surefire including their new 6PX PRO, but I have since bought Eagletac's C25C2, G25C, and NiteCore's TM11 'Tiny Monster'. I have also been trying out the 18650 3100mAh batteries and charging them with the Nitecore i4 charger.
Time will tell if I will be pleased with my new choices.
I still keep at least 36 Surefire 123 Lithium batteries in reserve for all my lights.
In the past I have always tried to buy Union Made products from the USA, but Union Labor has fallen to single digit of the American work force. I myself am retired from the Machinists Union and I am also paying member of the IWW (Industrial Workers of the World).
We are living in a new world now and for the skilled worker the value by measure of GNP has dropped; according to some estimates over 90% of the U.S. GNP since 2008 has gone to the upper 1%.
I want a torch to see Heaven 'cause I have doubts that's where I 'm going.
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