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    Almost a month with no posts?!?!



    I wanted to get some opinions from you guys on a new build im doing. Last year I set out to build a big thrower (big like physical size/big batteries) But before I did I tested a few lights with a p60 setup with ahortons lens. I tested a XRE EZ900 and a SST90. I wanted a nice balance of nice throw but also output. I was very unsatisfied with the output of the XRE. It definatly out threw the rest but the output was just too low for what I liked. Then I tried the SST90 and loved it. great throw and great output. So to make a long story short I ended up building (having built) a 3D Mag with MG aspheric lens and NB SST90 pushing around 1250 lumens. It was perfect for what I needed. Plenty of throw but still bright as hell. Well after a few short months, I really was not digging the Nimh batteries. I ended up selling the mag.

    Now im ready to do this again. The new host is going to be a Fivemega Magalenium 3x 18650 body with a lumens factory seraph head and MG aspheric lens. So Im back at looking at emitters.

    Do you guys think there is anything else emitter wise that you would suggest for getting big lumen output besides the SST90? I know the SST50 has a smaller die but from the research I have done, most people that use a 50 for aspheric set ups end up wishing they used the 90 because you dont get THAT much more throw with the smaller emitter but you get a lot less lumen output. I thought about maybe an XML U2 as well But I still keep coming back to the fact that I can push the SST90 at around 1500 lumens for a decent amount of time with the 3 2900mah 18650s.

    Anyone have any thoughts on this? should I just keep with the old setup that I liked in the SST90 or should I look into something else?

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    You could use the newer SBT-90 LED. Go for the higher bin one.

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    I have briefly looked at the SBTs. What do they offer offer over the SST90? They put out about half the lumens. From reading the technical specs, it looks like there would not be much of a difference in an aspherical setup when comparing the SBT to the XML. They both but out about the same lumens and from what I remember reading the die size is about the same. Thoughts?

    Also, Do you think it would be worth it to de dome whatever LED I use? I have read a bit about de doming giving more throw but have never read anything about negative side effects of doing it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesantor View Post
    I have briefly looked at the SBTs. What do they offer offer over the SST90? They put out about half the lumens. From reading the technical specs, it looks like there would not be much of a difference in an aspherical setup when comparing the SBT to the XML. They both but out about the same lumens and from what I remember reading the die size is about the same. Thoughts?

    Also, Do you think it would be worth it to de dome whatever LED I use? I have read a bit about de doming giving more throw but have never read anything about negative side effects of doing it...
    The new sbt-90 led should out throw the xml by a good amount because it does not have a dome. Which is a huge plus in a thrower. Just look at the olight sr95ut has a sbt90 led it gets 200,000 lux at 1050 lumans while the sr95 with the sst90 puts out 2000 lumans bit gets only 110,000 lux.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex1234 View Post
    The new sbt-90 led should out throw the xml by a good amount because does not have a dome. Which is a huge plus in a thrower. Just look at the olight sr95ut has a bt90 led it gets 200,000 lux at 1050 lumans while the sr95 with the sst90 puts out 2000 lumans bit gets only 110,000 lux.
    Thanks for the insight Alex. I'm curious what a dedone sst90 would do lux wise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesantor View Post
    Thanks for the insight Alex. I'm curious what a dedone sst90 would do lux wise.
    The sbt-90 is essentially a sst-90 led that is de-domed. There is a dome per say on the sbt-90 its just square and flat. It cant be drivin as hard because of the lake of the big dome because if you dedome a sst 90 led it puts it at a much greater risk of failure. but if u you managed to dedome an sst90 led it should almost double the throw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex1234 View Post
    The new sbt-90 led should out throw the xml by a good amount because it does not have a dome. Which is a huge plus in a thrower. Just look at the olight sr95ut has a sbt90 led it gets 200,000 lux at 1050 lumans while the sr95 with the sst90 puts out 2000 lumans bit gets only 110,000 lux.
    The UT does 165,000 I believe...

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Driver View Post
    The UT does 165,000 I believe...
    selfbuilt retested it with another light meter he has and got 198,000 lux i believe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex1234 View Post
    selfbuilt retested it with another light meter he has and got 198,000 lux i believe.
    I hadn't seen that yet. Sorry.
    I just looked at his review again. He used too different meters and got different values. Both of the meters are not calibrated. He is still waiting for his calibrated one too arrive.

    I don't know what distance he measures at, but if it's only 1m than the values are unrealistic. Big reflectored lights need to be measured at distances farther away.

    Take a look at these lux measurements I did with some other members of a German forum last weekend. We measured at a distance of 4m. In this post member BLUE LED mentions that his Varapower Turbo (de-domed) outthrows his SR-95 UT. All of this together makes me think that Selfbuilt's newly measured values are not as accurate as the old ones.

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    My Varapower Turbo de-domed SST-90, 6500K does throw further than both of my Olight’s SR95UT. The number of my second unit is C089766. I think it is important to note that to achieve over drive status, the VPT requires four high quality NiMH C cells to obtain maximum throw. Lesser cells will yield less throw.

    What I find interesting is that Kevin is now offering the VPT with the SBT-90. I would speculate that this would be the best VPT thrower.

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    I have been looking around CPF for what batteries to use in my Dereelight Night Master.
    Is 3400mAh Panasonic NCR18650B a good alternative or should i use some other model?
    I want the best battery and protected of course.

    What do you use?

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    So I just got done reading the whole " Olight SR95 (SST-90) & SR95UT (SBT-90) Review:" thread by selfbuilt. Im still not understanding this. Funny part is someone else asked early on in the thread and no one answered him.

    If the SBT-90 is an SST90 die with just a clear film in lui of a dome, why is it darn near half the output?

    Would de doming an SST90 be the sole reason for a 50% decrease in output?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesantor View Post
    So I just got done reading the whole " Olight SR95 (SST-90) & SR95UT (SBT-90) Review:" thread by selfbuilt. Im still not understanding this. Funny part is someone else asked early on in the thread and no one answered him.
    Yes they did in post #937

    Quote Originally Posted by mikesantor View Post
    If the SBT-90 is an SST90 die with just a clear film in lui of a dome, why is it darn near half the output?

    Would de doming an SST90 be the sole reason for a 50% decrease in output?

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex1234 View Post
    The sbt-90 is essentially a sst-90 led that is de-domed. There is a dome per say on the sbt-90 its just square and flat. It cant be drivin as hard because of the lake of the big dome because if you dedome a sst 90 led it puts it at a much greater risk of failure.

    Removing the dome appears to effect both the beam and thermal characteristics of the emitter
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    No friggin clue how I missed that....

    Thanks!

    Still at a cross roads. Don't know if I want to go de domed sst-90 or sbt-90...

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    Quote Originally Posted by wiiken View Post
    I have been looking around CPF for what batteries to use in my Dereelight Night Master.
    Is 3400mAh Panasonic NCR18650B a good alternative or should i use some other model?
    I want the best battery and protected of course.

    What do you use?
    Very good battery...

    But Night Master can run with ext tube, and 2× cheapest 18650 batteries(crappyfires) more than 1,30 hours...

    If U put quality batteries it will be well over 2 hours...
    I am in endless pursuit for best aspherical and non aspherical throwers...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tatjanamagic View Post
    Very good battery...

    But Night Master can run with ext tube, and 2× cheapest 18650 batteries(crappyfires) more than 1,30 hours...

    If U put quality batteries it will be well over 2 hours...

    Ok, i will hopefully get the batteries this week so i can try. I use the extension tube all the time for maximum output I will compare Nightmaster and my SMALL SUN ZY-C10-S this weekend, my first impression of the Nightmaster is that is isn't so much more powerful than SMALL SUN ZY-C10-S...but i havent tried them side by side yet....

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    I am very impressed with Fenix TK50.
    The bad thing is that I was misfortunate in the tint lottery; it's nasty greenish. Even if this is mostly not noticable at the highest mode in the hotspot because of the high intensity it's still noticable in the spill. And using the lower modes at short distance I don't even consider, have to attach some filter to get rid of the greenish.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wiiken View Post
    Ok, i will hopefully get the batteries this week so i can try. I use the extension tube all the time for maximum output I will compare Nightmaster and my SMALL SUN ZY-C10-S this weekend, my first impression of the Nightmaster is that is isn't so much more powerful than SMALL SUN ZY-C10-S...but i havent tried them side by side yet....
    Friend I am sorry that I have to tell you that... but you have to buy glasses

    It is 90 kcd vs 35kcd

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    I have both and small sun is in my third flashlight closet that I never open... Terrible flashlight... Needs tons of modding in order to become good flashlight...
    I am in endless pursuit for best aspherical and non aspherical throwers...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tatjanamagic View Post
    Friend I am sorry that I have to tell you that... but you have to buy glasses

    It is 90 kcd vs 35kcd

    Like Mike Tyson vs Oscar De La Hoya

    I have both and small sun is in my third flashlight closet that I never open... Terrible flashlight... Needs tons of modding in order to become good flashlight...


    I have the Dereelight DBS-T EZ900 Aspherical which is what you have under a different sales name.

    It really gets out and can nearly keep up with my Olight SR90 but in a very small shaped beam.

    I do love it.

    It is a special purpose light and is great for stealthy stuff or mounting on a rifle.

    It is not designed as a general purpose light.

    It does have a WOW factor for a 3W light every time I show it to people for fun mainly.

    It is every bit as good as my Crelant 7G5V2 with the Collimator except the Crelant projected image is about twice the width and height as my Dereelight.

    The Crelant 7G5V2 with the collimator attached is not a general purpose light to carry except for spotting targets in the bush etc.

    Without the collimator it seems about level up in the 700 to 900 lumens area to have a beam shape similar to my Olight SR50, SR51 and M3X and makes for a pretty good general purpose combination of throw and flood.

    My Thrunite TN31 kills all of those at 1170 lumens of pure white throw power, no sign of yellows or greens anywhere in the beam.

    It is a short length 4 x 18650 higher body width thrower that is great.

    I have not seen another single XM-L U2 beat this TN31 in throw or sheer output!

    It really is quite a beast in throw and output.



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    So, still no news on Saabluster making the mod for the DBS Aspheric available?
    Have been very tempted by the Olight SR95UT, but, very expensive and the size is WAY too big for what, only another 50% ish increase in throw distance over the DBS?

    Such a shame. I live in hope of Saabluster making this one happen
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    Anyone know if the Crelant 7G9 will out throw the 7G5V2 with collimator lens?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cccpull View Post
    Anyone know if the Crelant 7G9 will out throw the 7G5V2 with collimator lens?


    As I understand it, the 7G9 has around 70k lux, but the 7G5V2 with collimator lens has around 90k lux, so no, the 7G9 does not out throw it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by luminositykilledthecat... View Post
    So, still no news on Saabluster making the mod for the DBS Aspheric available?
    Have been very tempted by the Olight SR95UT, but, very expensive and the size is WAY too big for what, only another 50% ish increase in throw distance over the DBS?

    Such a shame. I live in hope of Saabluster making this one happen

    I do too!

    There is a difference of about $400 between them.

    But the bigger and heavier Olight SR95UT also puts some flood out as well, the Dereelight Aspherical with EZ900 LED is like a laser beam and very thin in beam width.


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    Default Looking for Modded Maglite that is powerful, throws well, a little spill & reliable.


    I have a 4D Maglight with the TerraLUX MiniStar31M-EX LED Conversion Kit for 4-6 D Cell MagLites up to 1000 Lumens (TLE-310M-EX) TerraLUX MiniStar31M-EX LED Conversion Kit for 4-6 D Cell MagLites up to 1000 Lumens (TLE-310M-EX) installed and it has three modes and is pretty bright but it is nearly all flood.


    I would like to know where or who I can get a Maglite that has been modded to put out a great throw beam with a little flood (to see where you are going still) beam reliably and without overheating with a reasonable runtime?


    I have seen plenty of Mag mods but has anyone discovered the best mod so that the Mag still looks mostly like a standard Maglite?

    I have the TK70, Olight SR90, TN31 and Dereelight DBS-T EZ900 Asherical amongst some others already.

    The 3D LED Maglite is very spotty but not nearly enough lumens or lux to be of real use to a Flashaholic.

    I would like to get a Varapower Turbo V2 light but orders are closed as far as I can tell.

    When going to the Varapower website I get this message displayed "The Custom Build List is CLOSED.

    Sorry, but we are not accepting any more custom build requests at this time"
    most times that I look at the website.

    I have run both my Olight SR90 and the Fenix Tk70 continuously for over an hour (TK70 running 4 x NIMH 9500mah LSDs) each on the MAXIMUM BRIGHTNESS and never have any battery or overheating issues, but I believe that the Varapower range has shorter runtimes and conditions for using them.

    I would like a Varapower in a 3D format as that is the High Quality D size NIMH 9500mah LSDs I already have plenty of.

    How long does it usually take for them to start making CUSTOM MADE orders again?

    Correct me if I am wrong but does that mean they don't have any standard stock lights except for the custom made ones where you select all of your options?

    Update - I just received advice to look in the LEDs section on that website, but there are no 3D size format lights for sale.

    I am already crying about it.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Oztorchfreak View Post

    Correct me if I am wrong but does that mean they don't have any standard stock lights except for the custom made ones where you select all of your options?



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    On the lambdalights home page, click on 'LED Flashlights' top left. He puts flashlights for sale in there. There was a nice Varapower Turbo II SBT-90 on there last time I looked.

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    Default Re: Looking for Modded Maglite that is powerful, throws well, a little spill & reliab

    Quote Originally Posted by luminositykilledthecat... View Post
    On the lambdalights home page, click on 'LED Flashlights' top left. He puts flashlights for sale in there. There was a nice Varapower Turbo II SBT-90 on there last time I looked.

    Thanks for that advice, I will check it immediately!



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    Quote Originally Posted by luminositykilledthecat... View Post
    So, still no news on Saabluster making the mod for the DBS Aspheric available?
    Have been very tempted by the Olight SR95UT, but, very expensive and the size is WAY too big for what, only another 50% ish increase in throw distance over the DBS?

    Such a shame. I live in hope of Saabluster making this one happen
    Limited time and limited money. It is in the plans still. I am about to release three new lights that will all beat the DBS though so don't worry. Possibly as soon as next week.

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    Did anyone de-domed their crelant and slap the colimator head on with 2xIMR cells? Would love to see a beamshot of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saabluster View Post
    Limited time and limited money. It is in the plans still. I am about to release three new lights that will all beat the DBS though so don't worry. Possibly as soon as next week.
    If they will throw more than 150 kcd U will beat new Deerelight aspheric(bigger aspherical head)...
    I am in endless pursuit for best aspherical and non aspherical throwers...

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    Quote Originally Posted by saabluster View Post
    Limited time and limited money. It is in the plans still. I am about to release three new lights that will all beat the DBS though so don't worry. Possibly as soon as next week.
    Holy jesus that is fantastic news. Well done!
    Can't wait for the details, when can I order
    Thank the lord I resisted the olight.

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