I think the tiny magnets from lighthound might be the way to go. I got some but being a lazy pig, I haven't tried it yet and besides, I promised to sell the Redilast to a buddy of mine
I kinda thought of that actually but still got some for charging purposes if nothing else. Especially considering how cheap they were and got myself some 123 dummies while I was at it.
I still prefer nipple cells. Can't really stand these flat tops. I already ed a Jetbeam putting a set of flats in the wrong way 'cause I didn't see which was the plus side
Just so this is on record, there are three versions of the TM11 that have been seen on CPF, the 1.9 which is visible here: http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...s-of-Pictures) (I'm not sure if this version got to customers. I think it was a preview "beta") The 1.10 which appears in the pictures in this fine review (great reviews, selfbuilt, I really enjoy reading them), and the 1.11.
The list of known versions is now:
V1.9-1107 (preview beta)
Stuff before that was probably just development prototypes. I think this may provide support to the theory that the numbers after the version number is the date the version was released. I also think that Guiri is probably one of the only users who has reported that the Redilast 3100mAh cells don't work in his torch. All of the other reports I have read indicate that these cells are working for most people. Maybe his torch is an oddball, since I really don't think the problem is user error, and his torch was most probably already returned for warranty work. I have seen one report of success with the 4Greer 3100mAh cells working. That report is recent, but I don't think the user stated what version of the TM11 he owned.
However, as always, YMMV, and caution and checking is always advised! I fried a Sunwayman V10a by inserting a cell backwards in the dark - no hope, and neither the dealer or Sunwayman would not sell another head. oh well, lesson learned!
Sorry for sliding even farther OT, but those little magnets solve a problem with some of the AA->D cell adapters when the nipple contact on the AA cell is too large for the adapter hole in the plastic case that makes contact with the next size up adapter. My doorbell and other devices are running nicely using a dozen or so of those little magnets.
Mine was a 1.9 version. Its only problem was with the battery meter indicating 6.8 with AW 2900 cells fresh off a Pila charger. With them discharged to 3.6v, the meter indicated 5.8v. Sent it back & waiting for an exchange.
Last edited by brightnorm; 01-04-2012 at 03:56 PM.
wow double post, duh.
Coke Zero and cream of celery!!! Gross!!
sweet review though, very thorough.
Me and my old pappy had a hand in a still
We brewed white lightnin' 'til the sun went down
Then he'd fill him a jug and he'd pass it around
Mighty, mighty pleasin, pappy's corn squeezin'
Whshhhoooh . . . white lightnin'
I'll address this to Selfbuilt because his knowledge in these areas is pretty comprehensive.
I believe a turbohead sold separately (or together at a discount) for this light could be a commercially viable option, similar to the Scorpion with its optional tubohead . Although it would make the TM11 longer and wider than the current model it would still be a remarkably small 2000L thrower.
Last edited by brightnorm; 01-04-2012 at 03:58 PM.
If someone is wondering what happens when your cells get depleted in this torch, here is your answer.
Once the cells start going out, the torch will not allow you to go into turbo. From here, as your cells get further depleted, you will no longer be able to go into high, from there, it will keep you from going to medium, then once the cells are really low, the output on low drops smoothly into some type of moonlight mode. I think this graceful step-down is quite nice as it give you some time to get fresh cells into your torch. This works whether you are using the Li-ions or primary cells. Also, quick thing I forgot. My torch is V1.11-1110.
Last edited by Dillo0; 01-04-2012 at 03:17 PM.
I doubt it would be feasible to re-design a 3x emitter light with swappable reflectors anyway. To increase throw, you would likely need to purposefully design the space between emitters and their exact orientation to match a given multi-well reflector setup. It seems unlikely to me that only changing the reflector shape alone could drastically improve throw on multi-emitter setups.
I really don't think the barrel of the torch is worth as much as the head with all those electronics. I think they should just release a thrower with a different name while retaining the stuff we like about this torch.
Other neat thing of note. When you put the torch in lock out mode, the light will display the voltage in the cells before entering lockout. This way, you can find the voltage of the cells without unscrewing the head. I just noticed that this is in the manual... I must have missed it the first time around.
Last edited by Dillo0; 01-05-2012 at 11:56 AM.
Sysmax who makes the Tiny Munster, already has the Jetbeam RRT-3 Triple XM-L with bigger and deeper reflectors, and the three emitters more closely packed/spaced together to maximise throw, thus increasing throw from the TM's 283 meters to the RRT-3 Triple's 346 meters.
Furthermore, the RRT-3 Triple has the head and battery carrier built as one piece, with a separate tail cap, for superior thermal heat transfer/dispersion from the head to the body.
By comparison, the TM has the battery carrier and tail cap as one piece, and the head separate from the battery carrier/tail cap unit, with silicone grease in between the threads, resulting in less efficient heat transfer from the head to the body, to disperse the heat for cooling - hence the TM suffers more from thermal cut off issues than the RRT-3 Triple.
The RRT-3 Triple also has a tail end switch for the overhand grip to hold the flashlight high to maximise the throw, but pity they have not updated the magnetic ring into the TM's side switch, which is so much easier to use one-handed in a large tubular diameter flashlight...
Last edited by peterharvey73; 01-05-2012 at 03:21 PM.
Although the RRT-3 throws further than the TM11 it isn't a real thrower. The "TM11-T" would come closer to that goal because of a deeper and noticeably wider head.
Presently Sysmax's TM11's head is 60mm in diameter, and total length 135mm long.
Sysmax's RRT-3 Triple XM-L is 67mm in diameter, and 198mm long, such that it already has a larger, and deeper reflector, albeit with the three emitters more tightly packed together for greater throw too, and the head and battery carrier is a one-piece design for superior thermal conduction.
Presently, most of the pure thrower heads like the single emitter Crelant 7G5, Olight SR51 & M3X and Sunway T40CS are around 60-63mm; smaller than the RRT-3 Triple XM-L's.
I guess if the TM11-T had an even bigger head than 67mm, then it could throw further than the RRT-3 Triple XM-L - albeit still a flood-throw - a combination of flood and throw.
To get an idea of the gain, Selfbuilt has measured an SR92 Triple XM-L with a 98mm bezel diameter to throw 425 meters.
A TK70 Triple XM-L with a 106mm bezel and relatively deeper reflectors, can throw even further than the SR92, but the lateral flood/spill is diminished due to the relatively deeper reflectors.
However, these 100mm bezel diameters are really not large, but "oversized" lights.
Just imagine a Tiny Munster 135mm long with a 106mm wide bezel diameter?
For outright throw, without the flooding, Saabluster [Michael] says that a single emitter will still out-throw a triple emitter, so it'd be very easy to turn the TM11 into a real thrower with a single emitter and new head, but the head is 90% of the flashlight anyway - so they could make a new head albeit new flashlight altogether, and save a little cost by sharing the same TM11 4x18650 in-parallel tubular battery carrier/body...
Last edited by peterharvey73; 01-07-2012 at 06:51 PM.
my bad so there are a few maybe although none that takes my fancy ! Why has no one tried the surefire a2 setup, with all xml but one reflector........
The Surefire A2 Aviator has three led's on the periphery, surrounding the one xenon bulb, all in one reflector.
Apparently, it was originally intended for pilots to make a half press of the tail end switch to have the three led's do low output for use inside the cockpit, then a full press would activate the xenon bulb for high output, to inspect the plane on the ground etc.
This model is no longer in production..
Excellent review! I've been wanting to get this light since the first time I saw it today but the only thing keeping me from placing an order is the flickering issue. Can I rest assured that if I were to purchase one now, it would have the revised circuit board and cause no problems? If the answer is yes, then I will be purchasing this light immediately!
The only complaint I've seen about any of the recent versions is one that was posted a couple of days ago in the TM11 Malfunctions thread. A member got the latest version (assuming V1.11-1110 is the latest) and is having trouble with one of the emitters when in low mode...but I have a feeling that's likely an isolated problem.
I placed an order for the TM11 last night...Woo Hoo! Should be getting it next week. I decided on this torch because of the great reviews and performance. I'll report back when I got my new flashlight in hand.