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    I find it interesting that M60 talk is on the Elzetta thread. The junky thread seems to all be about the engines that end with 1.

    Anyway, I was thinking that at one point an M60 was an either or number where the numbers 17 and 90 were used to distiguish the thrower from the flooder. So when an M60 thrower came up for sale I bought it for a Pentagon cop light to see if it did indeed toss a beam farther than my M61 equipped 6P. Dang sure did too.

    It was all ringy-like with a cool beam that would definitely be scoffed at these days. But man, I'd bet back then folks must've thought they'd died and gone to heaven where flashlights had 100,000 hour light bulbs with whopping runtimes and brightness.
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    Default Elzetta- The industry's best kept secret.

    Quote Originally Posted by archimedes View Post
    Most (not all) M60 were XR-E ....
    Thanks for the info, I knew I couldnít remember that correct. Lol...


    Yeah the M60 isnít for a white wall hunter but I can testify for use on the street at work. You donít even notice it. I keep it in a G2Z now for use in the winter time. I hate grabbing a cold metal light with bare hands. We donít always have time to put gloves on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greenbean View Post
    Thanks for the info, I knew I couldnít remember that correct. Lol...

    Yeah the M60 isnít for a white wall hunter but I can testify for use on the street at work. You donít even notice it. I keep it in a G2Z now for use in the winter time. I hate grabbing a cold metal light with bare hands. We donít always have time to put gloves on.
    Sure, I mostly use my M60LL in a yellow G3
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    Quote Originally Posted by bykfixer View Post
    I find it interesting that M60 talk is on the Elzetta thread. The junky thread seems to all be about the engines that end with 1.
    I suppose there's a lot of overlap between Malkoff and Elzetta fans. Elzetta did start off almost as a client, making their bones on the reputation for toughness that relied in great part on the bombproof M60 dropin. And the two companies seem to have pretty similar product philosophies. While I love both brands, I am content to let Elzetta be Elzetta and Malkoff be Malkoff. I've got four Elzetta bodies counting my Alpha and all but one have Elzetta light engines. I do have one Bravo set up with an M61N which is an awesome light. But I really love the ones set up with the superb AVS heads, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by archimedes View Post
    Sure, I mostly use my M60LL in a yellow G3
    Wait, a yellow G3?!

    Thatís rare isnít it?

    I remember the firemanís model that looked like a G3 but havenít seen anything other than black personally.



    I want an AVS model eventually, although Iím probably better off just buying an AVS head to go on a body.

    I wish the High/Low tailcaps werenít so costly. Well thatís relative as Iíve spent triple that for some certain Surefire tailcaps but still. Lol...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greenbean View Post
    Thanks for the info, I knew I couldnít remember that correct. Lol...


    Yeah the M60 isnít for a white wall hunter but I can testify for use on the street at work. You donít even notice it. I keep it in a G2Z now for use in the winter time. I hate grabbing a cold metal light with bare hands. We donít always have time to put gloves on.
    M60 was indeed a treasure.
    I remember folks saying you had to modify them to work in Pentagons. When I bought a used M60 the intention was a SureFire G2 but a Pentagon eX2 whispered "try it in me" and it fit pretty good with no mods at all. Fits a bit loose so heat sync isn't optimal I suppose.
    Kind of a novelty thing with a 5 side tailcap and the vintage Malkoff beam, but it's a holster friendly conversation starter. (For those few who actually give a rip about which flashlight you're using)
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    Default Re: Elzetta- The industry's best kept secret.

    Quote Originally Posted by bykfixer View Post
    (For those few who actually give a rip about which flashlight you're using)

    True, true....

    And they never care until they realize how much better you can see than they can.

    My Streamlight SL20 with the Malkoff drop-in always gets comments and questions! Itís unreal compared to the Incan version some of the guys still carry.

    Anyways, I have some Elzettas coming for testing at work, I do remember the fit being good as they seemed to be smaller diameter in the hand and pretty compact.

    Iím still going to need to get an AVS head though eventually. Until then one of my M91Bs is going into a 3-cell with the older smaller head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greenbean View Post

    Iím still going to need to get an AVS head though eventually. Until then one of my M91Bs is going into a 3-cell with the older smaller head.
    The AVS has a lot of great characteristics, but for what it's worth, I prefer the beam profile of the M91B because it has more of a traditional hotpot. Both the AVS and the M91B have wide beams, but I enjoy the effect of the reflector. All very subjective, of course.

    Elzetta argues, rightly, that their AVS optic is tougher than a reflector, but you'd have to hit the front of that reflector with a photon torpedo to cause any damage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Modernflame View Post
    Elzetta argues, rightly, that their AVS optic is tougher than a reflector, but you'd have to hit the front of that reflector with a photon torpedo to cause any damage.
    lol

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    I am in the Elzetta thread, correct?

    Somehow I have worked my way up to 1 Charlie, 3 Bravo's (only 1 with AVS), and 1 Alpha 315. 1 Bravo and 1 Charlie, bored (by yours truly) to be able to actually accept 18650 protected cells. others are currently stock bodies. Sadly my bored Bravo was initially purchased from oveready but I couldn't use any of my panasonic, lg, keeppower protected cells. Only my AW protected would fit but I am not paying $20+ per cell.
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    Default Re: Elzetta- The industry's best kept secret.

    Quote Originally Posted by INFRNL View Post
    I am in the Elzetta thread, correct?

    Somehow I have worked my way up to 1 Charlie, 3 Bravo's (only 1 with AVS), and 1 Alpha 315. 1 Bravo and 1 Charlie, bored (by yours truly) to be able to actually accept 18650 protected cells. others are currently stock bodies. Sadly my bored Bravo was initially purchased from oveready but I couldn't use any of my panasonic, lg, keeppower protected cells. Only my AW protected would fit but I am not paying $20+ per cell.
    Sorry, but whatís wrong with using unprotected batteries? When I notice the brightness go down I check the battery (16650 in my case) and recharge it. Never managed to overdischarge a battery. And this is probably the main reason I stopped buying protected cells ó I prefer not to pay for something I never use (sorry, sorry, lights themselves do not count ).
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    I'm the same as you Vad, I've gone over to unprotected as I've had a few PCBs fail on me. Also, I really don't like being left in the dark.
    The only thing that worries me is using them in series. I've now bought a charger that will do a capacity test to keep it a bit safer.
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    Default Re: Elzetta- The industry's best kept secret.

    Quote Originally Posted by peter yetman View Post
    I'm the same as you Vad, I've gone over to unprotected as I've had a few PCBs fail on me. Also, I really don't like being left in the dark.
    The only thing that worries me is using them in series. I've now bought a charger that will do a capacity test to keep it a bit safer.
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    I guess multicell lights feature their own overdischarge protection. For example, my several years old TN32 first drops off high modes and later ó starts a warning blinking (3 times in a row with 1 minute interval) when its battery cage total voltage drops to 9V (3V each cell).

    Regarding Elzetta (Bravo in my case) ó multicell (2xRCR123) load produces brightness oscillations (900 <-> 600 lm) when each battery voltage drops to 3.414V. Just cannot do not notice that
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    Default Re: Elzetta- The industry's best kept secret.

    It's the worry of pairing two cells with non matching capacities due to age of abuse that's doing it for me..
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    Default Re: Elzetta- The industry's best kept secret.

    Quote Originally Posted by INFRNL View Post
    I am in the Elzetta thread, correct?

    Somehow I have worked my way up to 1 Charlie, 3 Bravo's (only 1 with AVS), and 1 Alpha 315. 1 Bravo and 1 Charlie, bored (by yours truly) to be able to actually accept 18650 protected cells. others are currently stock bodies. Sadly my bored Bravo was initially purchased from oveready but I couldn't use any of my panasonic, lg, keeppower protected cells. Only my AW protected would fit but I am not paying $20+ per cell.
    I'm sure your machinist skills are up to snuff, but aren't you worried about removing too much material from the host? I sold my bored out Charile, but I remember being frustrated initially that it would accept only AW unprotected cells. Later on, I observed that OR had cut into the threads about as far as I'd be willing to go.

    Your Charlie tube would be the counter example that proves me wrong, of course. If you have an opportunity, would you mind posting a photo of the threads?
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    Default Re: Elzetta- The industry's best kept secret.

    I have been using unprotected 18500 Sanyo cells for a few years now. No issues at all. I pay close attention to the cell voltage and keep the cells matched up. As soon as I see a slight output in lumens, I recharge.
    I prefer the 16650 cells in my Bravo. They work fine for around the house stuff.

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