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    Quote Originally Posted by twl View Post
    I don't know how far an LX2 throws. I never used one.
    My 3 cell Elzetta throws an honest 150 yards down my road on a dark night, with enough light to see anything I need to see.
    The M60 has a tight optic of 8 degrees, and it throws pretty good. And the famous Malkoff beam quality and tint are really nice. The M60 is what made Malkoff's reputation. It's really good. XRE-Q4(I think) behind the 8* optic.
    I really don't think there is any difference in throw with 2 cells or 3 cells. Just a runtime difference.
    I remember reading that Malkoff M60 units are also known for the inconsistencies with their beam profile. Something to do with getting a proper alignment of the optic to the LED. That is one of the reason Malkoff went with the M61 design.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scout24 View Post
    Got my low profile bezel 2-cell hi/lo in the mail this evening, and just got back from my second dog walk with it. Probably the best finish I've seen on an aluminum light, bar none. The M60 will give white wall hunters fits, but is fantastic outdoors in the dark. I thought it would be more of a pinpoint beam, but was pleasantly suprised. The ability to run primaries, RCR123's or a 17670 was a plus for me. Throws well, and the low level of 15ish lumens is nice. Seems as tough as they come, without being overly chunky. just enough to remind you that you're holding a serious tool. It's a keeper! Thanks for the push, Dan...
    Great assessment, Greg! I just subscribed to this thread, as I missed a lot of the posts. I'll be working on a mini-review this long weekend, and will post photos ad nauseum to ensure every angle is shown. I've learned a few things through the years - hopefully more learning to come - but there are a few absolutes:


    • No light will please everyone
    • Policescannerman knows what he is talking about
    • Never assume that something is 'good enough'.


    I'll save the rest of my comments for a review thread, but for now just say "Thank you" to PSM for bringing these lights to my attention. US Made - Malkoff light engine - toughness that qualifies as "over engineered." What's not to like! Glad you like yours, Greg!!

    Only problem now? I've become a Malkoff Junkie!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by run4jc View Post


    • No light will please everyone
    • Policescannerman knows what he is talking about
    • Never assume that something is 'good enough'.

    I beg to differ the middle one!!

    There are many many many more CPFers around that are way wiser than me. I enjoy the flashlight hobby, but my knowledge with emitters and drivers and battery chemistry are at a minimum. I love lights, that's all I know.

    No really I just like what I like I guess. I know a good product when I see one.

    In no order, Malkoff, McGizmo, SF, HDS, Elzetta, all winners in my book.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliceScannerMan View Post
    I beg to differ the middle one!!

    There are many many many more CPFers around that are way wiser than me. I enjoy the flashlight hobby, but my knowledge with emitters and drivers and battery chemistry are at a minimum. I love lights, that's all I know.

    No really I just like what I like I guess. I know a good product when I see one.

    In no order, Malkoff, McGizmo, SF, HDS, Elzetta, all winners in my book.
    Not trying to get the last word - and not trying to over praise, but knowledge of emitters, drivers, battery chemistry and the like are all important, and I wish I had better knowledge. I suppose these are things someone one can learn, and the many custom builders have this knowledge as do many, many members.

    Still, specs are one thing - how they are all assembled into a quality product is another. Recognizing that quality 'beyond the specs' is an important thing. I never would have really taken a hard look at the Elzetta had you not pointed the product out, and "Mr. Punchy Flood" himself hit a home run with this one!

    Just sayin'...


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    What would be a good combo of rechargeables for the three cell? Im not sure what will fit, or what would provide some good runtimes.
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    What would be a good combo of rechargeables for the three cell? Im not sure what will fit, or what would provide some good runtimes.
    According to the Elzetta and Malkoff web sites, this drop in is limited to 9V and use should be limited to primaries only. That said, 3 LiFeP04s might be an option, although you'd be pushing closer to 10V fully charged.

    OR - the best route (IMHO), use 2 17500s. Then you'd be under 9V and still enjoy greater run time.

    Someone with more knowledge might offer more suggestions...

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    Pjandyho,
    I have never seen anything like that ever.
    I have heard that some people shined 2 M60s at a white wall at the same time, and noticed some differences.
    None of them ever were discernibly different if it wasn't a direct comparison on a wall.
    In real use, totally unnoticeable, unless it was a rare defective unit which Gene would obviously replace immediately.

    I have numerous Malkoff lights, with optics and with reflectors.
    In all cases, I prefer the optic versions over the reflectors, including that I MUCH prefer the M60 over the M61.
    IMHO.

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    I wish Elzetta would offer a high/low tailcap for 50% brightness at high. It would make it possible to get a 117,5lumen high with M60 dropin. That's enough for most tasks, and would provide much better runtime.
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    Don't forget, the 2-cell can be bored for 2x18350 or 1x18650. An OR tri module works well
    with 2x18350. Regards, Chuck

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    Elzetta's market is weapon/military/LEO lights. Wouldn't protected batteries cutout when voltage drops too low, leaving your mission without light? How much recoil can lithium-ion take before battery damage...and explode? Rechargeables have only so many charging cycles, and it does seem like the charge don't last very long. I don't find regularly used rechargeables to be predictable enough for a "tactical" light.

    On the other hand: I'd like something rechargeable so my "tactical" light is always 100% charged and ready. I'd have the light and batteries plugged into an outlet in my gun safe. Since the Elzetta has battery shock absorbers, perhaps recoil damage is not a concern.

    When is Elzetta/Makoff going to offer 400 lumen XM-L drop-ins? But concerned about the heat of a 400+ lumen light.
    I have my eye on EagleTac and Wolfe-Eyes too.
    Wish: 1) Super low beacon; easy find flashlight. 2) Low voltage indicator, so not stranded without light. 3) Simple, one handed control ring mode changer (magnetic control ring). 4) Flood beam for walking/tasks. 5) Pocket carry. 6) LiFePO4.


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    You can put a M91 in the Elzetta 3 cell, XML 450 Lumens.

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    Not really interested personally. They are
    1. Ugly compared to Surefire lights.
    2. Not really idea as a P60 host since they are missing a lens and aren't compatible with 18650 cells, the latter can be fixed by boring of course.
    3. No pocket clip and not compatible with aftermarket Surefire upgrades like bezel rings, Derelin shrouds, McClickys etc.
    Your mileage may vary.

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    I dont think Elzetta had intentions of making a universally compatible host like a Solarforce P60 light for poeple who like to Lego. Its more of a mission specific light with the top priority being durability/reliability not compatibility.

    I agree it would be nice to have 18mm ability though they have no intentions of doing this ( I asked them)

    A pocket clip would be a nice addition

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    I think it's a shame that these are marketed and thought of as strictly a "weapon light". I know that's how they're built and what they're intended for, but the utility goes far beyond that. Don't like the M60? No problem. High/low tailcap, 2 cell body and a low profile head will run you $121.00. M61's will all fit, in your choice of cool, neutral, warm or hi-cri tint. Regular output, "L" or "LL" as well. Don't forget flood options! All but indestructable disaster light, camping light, handheld duty light, or dog walker custom built to your needs as far as runtime, output, and tint. With the runtime available on primaries, this may be one of the few lights I own where RCR's won't be an issue for me. No 18650? No problem. I'll run 2xAW RCR123's if I need to, or squeeze a 17670 in there. Dark Sucks Ti clip fits and works, but needs the tailcap tight to stay in place just like my G2. Mine's a keeper!

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    @PoliceScannerMan:

    Can you show photos of the tailcap? It appears the button is recessed, which I think makes it more unlikely to activate in a high risk situation.

    Can you show photos of the battery protection? There should be springs or something to help protect the battery from recoil. There might also be a larger battery heat sink too.

    Jake
    Wish: 1) Super low beacon; easy find flashlight. 2) Low voltage indicator, so not stranded without light. 3) Simple, one handed control ring mode changer (magnetic control ring). 4) Flood beam for walking/tasks. 5) Pocket carry. 6) LiFePO4.


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    I bought an Elzetta host recently (already had an M61), to use on a HD shotgun. These lights are first and foremost weapons lights and, as such, IMO there is nothing better at anywhere near the price. Having owned several SF weapons lights, I think this Elzetta is better than any comparable SF in terms of light output, beam quality, controls, construction and finish. And, at 260 honest lumens (got to love that Malkoff), it is almost too bright for HD use. I love this light...
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    Quote Originally Posted by snakyjake View Post
    @PoliceScannerMan:

    Can you show photos of the tailcap? It appears the button is recessed, which I think makes it more unlikely to activate in a high risk situation.

    I dont have photos up close, but the button is not recessed.

    Can you show photos of the battery protection? There should be springs or something to help protect the battery from recoil. There might also be a larger battery heat sink too.

    Correct, the bottom of Malkoff Drop ins have a spring, as well as a spring on the TC, the battery tube holds the cells nicely, with not much side to side play. No rattle when shaken.
    Jake

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    I just watched the you tube press conference from Elzetta at shot show. I'm going to be very interested in their products this year!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chadder View Post
    I just watched the you tube press conference from Elzetta at shot show. I'm going to be very interested in their products this year!
    Tried searching you tube for it, would you mind posting a link, or pm if thats a nono Never mind found it
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    The main thing that comes to my mind is the proprietary bezel. I don't like the fact that the aperture isn't full-width compared to the Surefire P-series standard. That's my main objection to the Malkoff VME head as well, actually. I bought the titanium version and was all excited about stuffing a Torch Lab Tri-XPG drop-in into it, but the head was too narrow for the drop-in to fit.

    It doesn't matter to me if Elzetta hosts are built like tanks, or if Malkoff drop-ins are the best in the business, I want the flexibility to use other products as well. Durability is important to me, but I am willing to sacrifice a little in exchange for better features. Can't do that with a narrow-aperture head.

    It's a shame, really, because aside from that one complaint I'd much prefer an Elzetta host instead of a Surefire host.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fyrstormer View Post
    The main thing that comes to my mind is the proprietary bezel. I don't like the fact that the aperture isn't full-width compared to the Surefire P-series standard. That's my main objection to the Malkoff VME head as well, actually. I bought the titanium version and was all excited about stuffing a Torch Lab Tri-XPG drop-in into it, but the head was too narrow for the drop-in to fit.

    It doesn't matter to me if Elzetta hosts are built like tanks, or if Malkoff drop-ins are the best in the business, I want the flexibility to use other products as well. Durability is important to me, but I am willing to sacrifice a little in exchange for better features. Can't do that with a narrow-aperture head.

    It's a shame, really, because aside from that one complaint I'd much prefer an Elzetta host instead of a Surefire host.
    All valid comments, but the one thing to consider is the fact that Elzetta's pricing structure allows you to lego systems together at no price penalty. Giving the option to purchase the tail switch/cap, body and which ever of their heads you prefer. That's not meant to be "the answer" to your particular concern, but it is indicative of a level of flexibility (especially in purchasing and pricing) that is attractive, at least to me.

    Just another opinion....

    EDIT - I took out my comments about using $urefire heads - I was in error. I apologize.
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    Quote Originally Posted by run4jc View Post
    All valid comments, but the one thing to consider is the fact that Elzetta's pricing structure allows you to lego systems together at no price penalty. Giving the option to purchase the tail switch/cap and body, and put any E-series head ( or a P series with the appropriate adaptor) you like on it. That's not meant to be "the answer" to your particular concern, but it is indicative of a level of flexibility (especially in purchasing and pricing) that is attractive, at least to me.

    Just another opinion....
    Butbutbut...the head is the coolest looking part! The rest is just a tube with a switch on the end, nothing special.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fyrstormer View Post
    Butbutbut...the head is the coolest looking part! The rest is just a tube with a switch on the end, nothing special.
    I know - cool, ain't it...you need several!!

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    I say, get a spare head, and get out your dremel, file, and sandpaper, and modify the inside of that one head to take the other modules you want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yifu View Post
    Not really interested personally. They are
    1. Ugly compared to Surefire lights.

    Your mileage may vary.
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    May I ask what does it for you about SF's lights in particular that you find offensive or unattractive about Elzettas? Must be the heads, as fyrstormer said, the rest is just a tube with a switch on the end, nothing special... In my experience, things that are purpose-built to excel at one thing tend to polarize people's opinion as to looks, and the designer couldn't care less as long as it excells at it's desired mission. A-10 Warthog tank killer plane comes to mind. One of the ugliest aircraft in our nation's arsenal, but does well what no other can. I've had the privilege of having them flying over and ahead of me in an air support role, and was not caring about how they look. Humvee, as another example. Back-end-of-the-dog ugly, but they are fantastic at what they were designed to do. I'll keep my Elzetta, and know that I've got a product that was optimized for it's mission. See 12ga. video, read Magpull's quote about having one with over 100,000rds. of .223 on one in all manner of conditions. Maybe you should start another thread singing the praises of SF's designs instead of hanging out here. Sorry for feeding the trolls, but once in a while it bugs me. Give me a time out if you will...

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    wait a minute. Run4jc, are you saying the Elzetta is compatible with e series SF heads and C series SF heads with an adapter?

    I would take Scouts post 1 step further , I find the aesthetic qualities of something to be higher when the designer puts function before form. To me the more purpose built something is and the more successful it is at efficiently acheiving that goal some how makes the resulting form that much more attractive .

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    Quote Originally Posted by purelite View Post
    wait a minute. Run4jc, are you saying the Elzetta is compatible with e series SF heads and C series SF heads with an adapter?
    That was an error on my part. I was thinking about my VME head and confused the point. Sorry! No, the Elzetta is NOT compatible with E series heads...and I've never tried a 'C' series head, but I will and will update the post afterwards. I apologize, and will edit my post.

    And I agree with you and Scout on the aesthetic qualities - and I find these lights to be aesthetically pleasing. My uninformed guess is that those who might think otherwise have probably never set eyes on an actual Elzetta specimen...I could be wrong....

    UPDATE - I did try a $urefire 6P head on the Elzetta host. The threads matched and it attached, although not as deeply as it should. I put a Nailbender light engine in it and it did work, but only at one level. It appears to me that there is just enough difference to prevent full compatibility, although 'in a pinch' it will work.
    Last edited by run4jc; 01-19-2012 at 05:36 AM.

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    Thanx RunJc!! I got excited there for a minute!!!

    Hey, can you quickly say if a Surefire Z41 type tailcap will fit on an Elzetta body since you have things right there? I dont think I have ever read about that end of the light and compatibility

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    Quote Originally Posted by purelite View Post
    Thanx RunJc!! I got excited there for a minute!!!
    Me too. Ideas were formulating.

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