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    I've been evaluating these for awhile and one thing that continues to surprise me is that they built them to the old mechanical aim (sealed beam) photometric requirements, rather than the newer (adopted 1998) visual/optical aim requirements which are higher/better. Technically these lamps cannot be visually or optically aimed by either the VOL or the VOR method, though practically it would be easier to do so than with a filament-type sealed beam. I'm also still trying to decide how I feel about the artifacts in the low beam patterns. High beam is great, nice and smooth, well developed, but the low beam light distributions still seem kind of blocky, made up of disjoint parts: here's the spread light...there's the hot spot...rather than a smoothly continuous beam pattern. Also, there's a weird "X"-shaped artifact in the middle of the low beam hot spot that is prominently visible while driving around. I'm still waiting to see if I'll get used to it and stop noticing it, but so far I still notice it.

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    I got over the "X" quickly.

    Like I said, comprormises.

    They beg to be compared to the JW Speaker units --- which also had blocky patterns, a weird spread, and a highbeam that didn't really rock.
    All things considered, I like the new TruckLites much better than the JWS.

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  3. #63

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    Interesting -- I don't find the JW Speaker lamp's low beam to be blocky at all. The early prototypes I tested, yes, but not the production units, which have a much smoother beam pattern -- though if by "weird spread" you mean you'd like to see a wider spread, I agree with you.

    I'll probably have more detailed comments on the new Truck-Lite lamps before too long.

  4. #64

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scheinwerfermann View Post
    Interesting -- I don't find the JW Speaker lamp's low beam to be blocky at all. The early prototypes I tested, yes, but not the production units, which have a much smoother beam pattern -- though if by "weird spread" you mean you'd like to see a wider spread, I agree with you.

    I'll probably have more detailed comments on the new Truck-Lite lamps before too long.
    The ones I had spread the light out in a very pronounced fan shape, almost like Thor's hammer in appearance.
    And right at the top of it, sorta dead-center, there was a large rectangle of less light. Not enough to be a major distraction, but you could notice it.

    And yeah; they didn't throw the light wide enough. Not as bad as the Hella H4 reflectors but I was comparing them to the Cibie Z-Beams --- a high benchmark.
    The new Trucklites spread the light wider and brighter than the Z-Beams --- not as smooth or graceful by a longshot... ...but oodles of light is oodles of light...

    What are you running the Trucklites in?
    Wish you lived closer, dammit.....

  5. #65

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hilldweller View Post
    You're going to replace a phase 6 with a phase 7 on the bike, right? The phase 6 lights would be good on an offroad bike that was seeing abuse and had supplemental lights ---- but they're horrible as stand-alone headlights.
    I'd run the phase 7 by itself on a bike.
    If I still had my Concours I'd be trying to fit the 5X7 into it...

    Poison Spyder is selling the Trucklites with a pair of Rigid Dualy lights as a package deal. Full retail on the Trucklites but the Rigids come free. Works out to a decent price if you need a set of Dualies...
    http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f43/p...allys-1343535/
    I replaced the phase 6 with the new Truck-Lite Phase 7 on the Harley. Hugh difference in light output, spread and high beams with the new version. There is a "Y" artifact on low beam with the single instead of a dual set up. The previous version gave a pretty good spread but the low total output and poor high beam performance made the light very suboptimal. The bike has three lights, which are switched to the low beam and the two side driving lights which are 4.5" have 6 Diode LEDs in place so lows were tolerable before (with the supplemental LEDs) but with the single Truck-Lite 7" on high beam and the two side LEDs dark it was miserable. It is quite acceptable now. Harley Davidson offers an optional LED 7" LED upgrade and it is the JW Speaker light. It was a much better way to go than the previous generation Phase 6 Truck-Lite. Now, with the new Phase 7 in place of the previous, I am happy with the light output again. The artifact does not bother me, I can ignore it.

    I guess with motorcycles, you get used to avoiding target fixation and ignoring artifacts. My Ducati 1098S has pretty horrible lights and in any sort of corner, the beam pattern is tilted enough from vertical to be severely disorienting if you are not used to that sort of thing. The Multistrada 1200S has much better 4 lamp factory lights.


    I have 2 Truck-Lites in the boxes waiting to go in the Jeep JK and will switch them out when the Cibie E codes blow their first bulb. At this point, I see no rush to switch them out and am very happy with the factory fogs, and IPF 900XS driving lights. This set up, with Philips +80 is bright enough in daily use and no artifacts but I will be looking forward to the longer bulb life of the LEDs. I am using the fogs as DRLs and when they burn out, I will also look into a LED replacement.
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    I have a segt in my Hummer. I love them. I'm a ski patrolman and often drive to Big Bear from Los Angeles. Last time I drove, it was very thick with fog (Which is not rare). Normally my best fog vision is when I turn off my headlights and turn on my amber fogs. NOT THIS TIME. With properly adjusted headlights and the sharp upper cut-off, my best vision was with the low beams on (with or without the fogs). If ai needed to see doen the road farther, even the hi-beams were not nearly as blinding as my previous HIDS. I could actually use them. And without the slow ramp up/fade out of incandescents, flasshing my Hi-beams actually got people to pull over and stop!

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  7. #67

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    I was thinking of a set of the TruckLite's for my wife's JK...the OEM (Motorcycle?) headlamps are pretty bad.

    Do y'all think they're (Trucklite) still the way to go?

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    The JK does not have motorcycle headlamps (except in the export markets -- that is one of several ways its lighting system homologation to the UN regs is faulty). It has unpleasant H13 headlamps.

    If I were buying LED headlamps in 7-inch round right now, they would be the JW Speaker 8700s. There are several more 7-inch round LED headlamps in the late stages of development, and at least one of them promises to be extremely good.

  9. #69

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scheinwerfermann View Post
    The JK does not have motorcycle headlamps (except in the export markets -- that is one of several ways its lighting system homologation to the UN regs is faulty). It has unpleasant H13 headlamps.

    If I were buying LED headlamps in 7-inch round right now, they would be the JW Speaker 8700s. There are several more 7-inch round LED headlamps in the late stages of development, and at least one of them promises to be extremely good.
    If I was buying with your money, I'd get the 90mm Hella HID kit...
    With less of your money, the JWS 8700 evo.

    With my own money I'd get the Trucklites.

    Unless Scheinwerfermann is suggesting that "extremely good" will be affordable and soon.... ....he's such a tease about these things.

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    Sorry, folks...I have to respect the limits of what I cannot talk about in public. :-|

    But the wait will be worth it, I think, in the long run which shouldn't be all that much longer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scheinwerfermann View Post
    Sorry, folks...I have to respect the limits of what I cannot talk about in public. :-|

    But the wait will be worth it, I think, in the long run which shouldn't be all that much longer.
    NDA's often come with pretty harsh breach-of-contract provisions... and even without them, there's just common decency not to make public what you know about things not ready for public release.
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  12. #72

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scheinwerfermann View Post
    The JK does not have motorcycle headlamps (except in the export markets -- that is one of several ways its lighting system homologation to the UN regs is faulty). It has unpleasant H13 headlamps.

    If I were buying LED headlamps in 7-inch round right now, they would be the JW Speaker 8700s. There are several more 7-inch round LED headlamps in the late stages of development, and at least one of them promises to be extremely good.
    Taking what you say as a wisp in the aether - and not holding any one to anything...

    Lets say that some hypothetical lamp was to potentially become available, and, say, some hypothetical victim of a mild form of night blindness that greatly needed to maximize head lamp performance on a hypothetical 2008 JK....would such a hypothetical person be waiting so long that it might be safer overall to get Trucklites, or, overall, worth waiting for said hypothetical new LED headlamps?

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    No, I don't think the wait will be that long.

    Also, the Truck-Lite LED lamps' (objective, measurable, actual) performance is not substantially different than the US-spec stock JK lamps.

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    Thanks!

    Hmmmm, the stock JK lamps seem to be pretty bad as far as being able to see with. Peripheral vision seems to be especially bad.

    If the Trucklites are about the same, that's pretty bad then.

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    I agree with you -- narrow beam coverage on the JK lamps and despite objective beam performance that's fairly good, they are an unpleasant lamp to drive with. This is the opposite of the common situation of objectively poor headlamps (such as most H4s) that nevertheless give the subjective impression of "excellent" lighting because of the brightly-lit foreground.

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    Yeah, I see too many set ups where the foreground light is so bright that even if the longer range illumination might have been OK, its like looking outside at night from inside a well lit home.

    I consider it a way to very clearly see what you are hitting rather than seeing what you WOULD have hit if you had seen it in time to avoid it.


  17. #77

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scheinwerfermann View Post
    Sorry, folks...I have to respect the limits of what I cannot talk about in public. :-|

    But the wait will be worth it, I think, in the long run which shouldn't be all that much longer.
    Is it somebody that I might already have on speed-dial?

    C'mon; throw me a bone...


    And you know, I never did put a meter to the stock H13s on a JK as a point of reference.
    You may mutter "dimwit" under your breath if you want.

    I heard that the JKs will be getting LED headlights as an option (or even stock?) soon.
    I was thinking they'd go with the bi-HIR projectors like the RAMs got.
    Any intel?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hilldweller View Post
    Is it somebody that I might already have on speed-dial?
    I can't see the contents of your phone directory...!

  19. #79

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scheinwerfermann View Post
    I can't see the contents of your phone directory...!
    Damn, if only you had enough light to see it!


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    HAH!!

  21. #81

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hilldweller View Post
    I heard that the JKs will be getting LED headlights as an option (or even stock?) soon.
    I was thinking they'd go with the bi-HIR projectors like the RAMs got. Any intel?
    I had a 300 as a rental not too long ago with these "bi-HIR projectors" and I didn't like them. What was even less impressive is that the left side was mechanically stuck on dip beam. You could hear the solenoid or relay clicking, and the shield would rattle just a bit, but it wouldn't open up. So they were okay on dip beam, though side light was a bit lacking, but main beam performance was obviously lacking, with only one side operational. It seems like a Rube Goldberg setup to me that may eventually go the way of vacuum- or link-actuated flip lamps or beauty shields.

    I Googled the problem and it appears that a number of new 300 owners have had to have their headlamp assemblies replaced by Chrysler multiple times under warranty.

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    The 300C, like other recent Chrysler vehicles, has headlamps from a Korean supplier Chrysler hasn't bought from before. There have been some teething problems, which is a little unusual because that same supplier seems to do fine when supplying Hyundai-Kia.

    Bifunctional projectors with a movable cutoff shield as a group are a good and reliable solution (though a poor implementation of any technology is of course going to be...poor!) and they are growing more common. Eventually in the long run LEDs will take over, but until then, watch for more bifunctional projectors.

  23. #83

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scheinwerfermann View Post
    I can't see the contents of your phone directory...!
    You know who I know by now...


    The bi-halogen projectors (HIR) on my FIAT kick butt. And it has foglights that work like fog lights are supposed to work...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scheinwerfermann View Post
    The JK does not have motorcycle headlamps (except in the export markets -- that is one of several ways its lighting system homologation to the UN regs is faulty). It has unpleasant H13 headlamps.

    If I were buying LED headlamps in 7-inch round right now, they would be the JW Speaker 8700s. There are several more 7-inch round LED headlamps in the late stages of development, and at least one of them promises to be extremely good.
    Interesting. And good timing.

    I'm considering LED headlights as an alternative to sealed beams for an old Triumph with a generator. The generator is tired, and will likely be replaced with an alternator, but I'd still like to reduce current draw and improve the lighting. I really want to run the lights all the time. For some reason, people just don't seem to see little British cars in the daylight unless your lights are on. Can LED lights help me with power consumption?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hilldweller View Post
    You know who I know by now...
    Maybe, but if he admitted it, he'd have to kill himself...

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    Quote Originally Posted by FullTwisting View Post
    Interesting. And good timing.

    I'm considering LED headlights as an alternative to sealed beams for an old Triumph with a generator. The generator is tired, and will likely be replaced with an alternator, but I'd still like to reduce current draw and improve the lighting. I really want to run the lights all the time. For some reason, people just don't seem to see little British cars in the daylight unless your lights are on. Can LED lights help me with power consumption?
    Quite possibly. A H4 draws 55W low/ 60W high at 13.2V (I think? I'm sure of the wattage, not so sure of the voltage)

    The Truck-lite 5x7 (first spec sheet I found) is rated as follows

    12.8v, 1.80a (low beam), 3.60 amps (high beam)


    so that's 23W/46W - not so significant on high beam but slightly less than half the draw on low beam.

    Another advantage is that the lower current draw if you have halfway decent factory wiring is that you may not need to use a relay harness to get the most out of them, whereas you pretty much have to for any incandescent. I'm a little surprised at the high beam current though, I'd still consider relaying them, although they may compensate for lower voltage similar to a flashlight - I'm not sure, anyone know?

    Edit: from the JW Speaker 8700 spec sheet

    Technical Specifications
    8700-12/24V
    12-24V DC Input
    11.4-32V DC Operating Voltage
    2.500 Amps @ 12V DC
    1.300 Amps @ 24V DC
    Raw Lumen Output: 1,350 (Low Beam); 1,770 (High Beam)
    Effective Lumen Output: 650 (Low Beam); 760 (High Beam)

    So that light apparently will only draw 30W low or high beam @ 12V
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    Any update on new LED headlights coming out "soon"?


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    Quote Originally Posted by N8N View Post
    Another advantage is that the lower current draw if you have halfway decent factory wiring is that you may not need to use a relay harness
    Except if yours is one of the increasing numbers of vehicles that feed the headlamps with PWM (pulse-width modulation) to control the lamp voltage. LED headlamps will flicker unless you bypass the PWM with a relay harness (or smooth it with big capacitors and inductors, but that's trickier).

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    Quote Originally Posted by TEEJ View Post
    Any update on new LED headlights coming out "soon"?
    Here's one:
    http://www.pmlights.com/products.cfm...Id=66&pId=3748

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scheinwerfermann View Post
    Except if yours is one of the increasing numbers of vehicles that feed the headlamps with PWM (pulse-width modulation) to control the lamp voltage. LED headlamps will flicker unless you bypass the PWM with a relay harness (or smooth it with big capacitors and inductors, but that's trickier).
    Good point. I believe that many vehicles equipped with Lucas generators did in fact use an early form of PWM to limit voltage... everywhere

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