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    Quote Originally Posted by qtaco View Post
    Loving how this light is shaping up, great work mate! Could you send me the latest update? I subscribed just now.
    Seriously. I haven't been this stoked about a keychain light since... well, ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by qtaco View Post
    Loving how this light is shaping up, great work mate! Could you send me the latest update? I subscribed just now.
    Hi qtaco,

    Thanks for posting.
    I have updated the mailing list link in POST #1 so that it is now directly wired into the mailing system.
    After you subscribe, you will receive a confirmation mail, click the link, and then you can view past issues of the update.

    For convenience, here is the link:
    MBI Torpedo - Email Updates

    So for anyone who signed up after the update, please click the link above, register, and you will be able to view the past issues.

    thanks,
    tgwnn

    p.s. Don't worry if you already subscribed, the system can work out duplicates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flashflood View Post
    Seriously. I haven't been this stoked about a keychain light since... well, ever.
    flashflood,

    Thank you. I'm very flattered!

    Just goes to show that combining all the great knowledge and talent here on cpf,
    into a product that I feel for the most part was made right here, with everybody's input,
    makes for building (what a hope will be) a really great light!

    tgwnn

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burgess View Post
    Oh, yer' getting Married ? ? ?

    Funny enough, that too. Haha!


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    Ill will be really glad when this finally comes out, been saving that money in the bank since I first took notice to it. And as it seems has gathered quite the following. Keep up the good work tgwnn.

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    Just came back and read the update. I like the size comparisons and even the longer tube seems to be a very reasonable size for pocket carry. I love the packaging as well! Never thought I might end up putting flashlight packaging up as decoration!
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheExpert View Post
    Ill will be really glad when this finally comes out, been saving that money in the bank since I first took notice to it. And as it seems has gathered quite the following. Keep up the good work tgwnn.
    Thanks TheExpert,
    Hopefully you dont have to save to much (unless you want more than one)

    Quote Originally Posted by Cataract View Post
    Just came back and read the update. I like the size comparisons and even the longer tube seems to be a very reasonable size for pocket carry. I love the packaging as well! Never thought I might end up putting flashlight packaging up as decoration!
    Hi Cataract,
    welcome back
    happy to hear you like the packaging that much

    tgwnn

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    this is one nice looking key light.

    what sort price you have in mind as i am interested also

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    Quote Originally Posted by john_aero View Post
    this is one nice looking key light.

    what sort price you have in mind as i am interested also
    He has given a rough estimate of around $65. That's $0.13 a lumen on a AAA!!!


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    whoo ya i will have one please when they are ready to ship, love the black and red you have done

    fair play

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    Quote Originally Posted by john_aero View Post
    whoo ya i will have one please when they are ready to ship, love the black and red you have done
    Thanks very much John

    Quote Originally Posted by climberkid View Post
    He has given a rough estimate of around $65. That's $0.13 a lumen on a AAA!!!
    Alex
    Thanks for answering that Alex!

    tgwnn

    p.s. I will update Post #1 with price info a little later.

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    ok. some noob questions for us noobs. What will the asking price include? Does it come with batteries? What kind of batteries. And do these batteries require a special charger, and are these available? Yes, I would like to run mine as bright as possible so I would need the special batteries. Everything has been so well explained, please give a list here, and thank you very much...


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    Quote Originally Posted by saypat View Post
    ok. some noob questions for us noobs. What will the asking price include? Does it come with batteries? What kind of batteries. And do these batteries require a special charger, and are these available? Yes, I would like to run mine as bright as possible so I would need the special batteries. Everything has been so well explained, please give a list here, and thank you very much...


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    Hi saypat,

    Thanks for the post and questions.

    I have added the following information to Post 1 of this thread:

    MBI Torpedo Manual - Draft (still under revision/progress - updated 2011-12-03)
    For a list of what's included, please see click on the link above (Manual) and scroll down to page 7.


    Additional Options
    • Batteries
    • I will offer specially manufactured 10250 sized, li-ion high discharge batteries (price not final)
    • Planning to offer 10440 IMR li-ion, high discharge batteries

    • Charger
    • For convenience, I plan to make available a usb powered, li-ion charger capable of charging both the 10440 and 10250 batteries.
    • The charger is made by cottonpickers and more information/pricing is available on his cpfmp charger thread where you can of course buy the charger directly if you prefer.

    Thanks for helping me to clarify things and I will continue to add information to Post 1 as new questions arise.
    I am sorry that I don't have a definite answer on everything just yet (pricing/options/etc) though I hope you can appreciate that I'm trying to share the development process from the beginning (the initial spark of the idea) all the way to the finished product.

    Please do feel free to ask anything else at all, always happy to reply.

    tgwnn

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    Hi Guy,
    Good to hear the battery design/manufacture is going well. You have said that they will be the 10250 batteries with high discharge {mmmm, more lumens, mmm}. I was wondering if the possibility of a special high discharge 10280 is in the works? If so would that translate to a longer runtime(+mins?) on high? And will a standard 10280 battery be capable of running the light on high with its discharge current, or will using available 10280s mean only access to a lower level high?

    In your testing, was it confirmed that the 10440 IMR lions will perform the same or better than the custom 10250's? I'm thinking more of the 10250s for the WOW factor, and the 10440s/AAA for EDC.

    Thanks
    GL

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    Hi Guy,

    In the spirit of piling on battery questions, Would you mind giving a little insight on acceptable charge/discharge rate for your custom IMR 10250? I'm particularly interested in the acceptable charge rate (extrapolating discharge from XML output of 500 Lumen is easy enough). My own charger can go down to 100mA charge rate I believe. I'm guessing that these super high discharge cells can accept charge about as well as they can release it but a little reassurance would be nice =).

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Got Lumens? View Post
    Hi Guy,
    Good to hear the battery design/manufacture is going well. You have said that they will be the 10250 batteries with high discharge {mmmm, more lumens, mmm}. I was wondering if the possibility of a special high discharge 10280 is in the works? If so would that translate to a longer runtime(+mins?) on high? And will a standard 10280 battery be capable of running the light on high with its discharge current, or will using available 10280s mean only access to a lower level high?


    In your testing, was it confirmed that the 10440 IMR lions will perform the same or better than the custom 10250's? I'm thinking more of the 10250s for the WOW factor, and the 10440s/AAA for EDC.


    Thanks
    GL

    Quote Originally Posted by rlcrisp View Post
    Hi Guy,


    In the spirit of piling on battery questions, Would you mind giving a little insight on acceptable charge/discharge rate for your custom IMR 10250? I'm particularly interested in the acceptable charge rate (extrapolating discharge from XML output of 500 Lumen is easy enough). My own charger can go down to 100mA charge rate I believe. I'm guessing that these super high discharge cells can accept charge about as well as they can release it but a little reassurance would be nice =).


    Thanks!

    Just finished writing a long post and it got blown away....
    here goes again,


    Thanks for the questions GL / rlcrisp.


    For now, Im only planning to make the 10250's.
    I was fortunate to find a reputable manufacturing partner who could make this size at a reasonable cost,
    as they had produced some other type of batteries in this size and there was no need to get the mold/sizing done from scratch.
    I did get some quotes on 10280's but the cost was far higher as the existing 10280 places I found could not offer high discharge cells,
    where as my current manufacturing partner produces cells rated to 40C.


    In terms of performance of the 10250's vs the IMR 10440's,
    I found no practical difference using the Torpedo proto, and even in testing with the CBA Battery Analyzer, the smaller 10250's were able to perform consistently, at the same output as the IMR 10440's at all currents up to 1.4A (the highest I tested).


    Im not sure of the performance of a 10280. I'd really need to test the cell to be sure.
    I need to check if I have some 10280's (I'm starting to accumulate a warehouse of "stuff") then run some tests.


    The key to performance of course is going to be a quality battery cell.
    This being said, its very hard to control what people put into a flashlight a year after they bought it and perhaps forget the spec details, so I set the goal of building battery safety into the Torpedo circuitry to handle just about every possible scenario.


    Torpedo Safety Features:
    1) Thermal Protection: we are checking the body for overheat. If the body gets too hot, the Torpedo will auto step-down to the next lowest mode until the heat level is reduced.
    2) Battery Sag: we are checking for battery sag for both the 1.2~1.5V battery types as well as Li-Ion batteries which helps to prevent a battery from trying to give out more power than it is capable of/rated for.
    3) Over Discharge: similar to the above, we are checking for low voltage at the lower end of the range to prevent over-discharge of batteries which can sometimes lead to leaks.
    4) Reverse Polarity/Short Circuit: if you put the battery in the wrong way, there is no explosion, short circuit or damage to the light/battery.
    5) Electronic Lockout (inspired by GL): this helps prevent accidental-ON of the light in a pocket or elsewhere (although even an accidental-ON should be taken care of by 1~4).




    This is Not Final, but the draft official specs for the 10250,
    based on the manufacturer's recommendation and full range of tests (including physical damage tests)


    Rated Capacity: 80mAh
    Tested Capacity (avg): 75mAh
    Target Spec for Max Discharge : 10C (800mAh)
    Official Spec for Max Discharge: 15C (1200mAh)
    Tested Max Discharge: 18C (1400mAh)
    Standard Charge Rate: 1C (80mAh)
    Official Max Charge Rate: 2C (160mAh)


    *Pulse Max Discharge: 20C (10 seconds)


    I have tested these batteries at high load 1.4A and they just hold out like magic.
    I ran them for 4-5min at that level (numerous times) non-stop (using the CBA) with no problem detected.


    Just finished setting up a new machine specifically for battery testing so planning to do a lot more of that over the course of this month.


    Ok, gonna press "POST" and happy to add more or answer additional questions too!


    thanks,
    tgwnn

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    Hey ... you and your light is getting so POPULAR .......


    I think it's time for you to come up with a NAME for yourself !


    What can we call you ... other than ... TGWNN ...... that's ... SO im-personal !


    Please just give us a first name . You deserve some PERSONAL recognition for your work !

    Please allow us to be on a more personal level with you - you deserve that .

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    Quote Originally Posted by TooManyGizmos View Post
    ~

    Hey ... you and your light is getting so POPULAR .......


    I think it's time for you to come up with a NAME for yourself !


    What can we call you ... other than ... TGWNN ...... that's ... SO im-personal !


    Please just give us a first name . You deserve some PERSONAL recognition for your work !

    Please allow us to be on a more personal level with you - you deserve that .

    ~
    Hi TooManyGizmos,

    I sincerely appreciate your kind post and thoughtful intentions.
    Thank you.

    For now, due to 9-5 commitments, I still need to be tgwnn.
    "Guy" seems to be a popular alternative so do feel free to call me that if you prefer it to tgwnn,
    though for all intents and purposes, tgwnn may as well be a name too (though a less common one).

    I hope you can understand and although tgwnn is my handle here, It's me, and I do feel that,
    it allows me to be more personal because I can express myself freely, which is part of the benefit of using a handle/nickname in such a forum as opposed to somewhere like facebook where everybody uses real names, and mainly post photos of what they had for lunch today (because posting about religion, politics or other "iffy" topics could get them into a bind).

    This won't necessarily be forever, but for now, does make things easier (especially posting at all hours of the day/night).

    Personally Yours,
    Guy [tgwnn]

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_guy_with_no_name View Post
    This won't necessarily be forever, but for now, does make things easier (especially posting at all hours of the day/night).
    you know, it's not uncommon for a flashaholic to be awake at night

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helmut.G View Post
    you know, it's not uncommon for a flashaholic to be awake at night
    yes, that's probably true
    though I've seen a few too many sunrises recently

    tgwnn

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    O.K. then , I understand ......... "Guy" will be my preference .


    Or it could be " NoName " ... since that is the Bold part in your Avatar .


    ( is that the cover of a Book?)

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    When I read "tgwnn", my brain has been automatically plugging in vowels, like they did in ancient Hebrew, and pronouncing it "tig-win". You could think of it that way, TMG (tim-ig?).
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    Which cottonpickers charger do you plan to have bundled with the light?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TooManyGizmos View Post
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    O.K. then , I understand ......... "Guy" will be my preference .
    Or it could be " NoName " ... since that is the Bold part in your Avatar .
    ( is that the cover of a Book?)
    ~
    Hi TMG

    Guy/NoName/tgwnn
    They are all used in the context of a name so either choice works for me

    About the book cover, do you mean the avatar?
    That's just something I whipped up a few days ago.

    Quote Originally Posted by nbp View Post
    When I read "tgwnn", my brain has been automatically plugging in vowels, like they did in ancient Hebrew, and pronouncing it "tig-win". You could think of it that way, TMG (tim-ig?).
    Hi nbp,

    tig-win, together we winn, to go where no name... has gone before, the_guy_with_no_name,
    its all good too

    Quote Originally Posted by Sno4Life View Post
    Which cottonpickers charger do you plan to have bundled with the light?
    Hi Sno4life,

    Planning to offer:
    dual mode LED display version 90mA/245mA
    single mode, no display version 100mA

    I need to double check to be 100% certain but I think those were the specs.
    I've used the dual-mode on low/high to charge the 10250's and 10440's it worked just fine!

    Thanks,
    tgwnn

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    Curiosity has the better of me, so Ill just have to ask;

    Have the additional prototypes turned up yet?

    Hows the magnet placement doing?

    Any more runtimes done?

    Sorry to be cheeky

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    I just wanted to jump in this thread with my support. I have been following for awhile and wanted to voice how excited I am for this light. I love the way you have taken the input of the community to help shape it's development. This is a special project. Keep up the good work.

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    I would like to see knurling akin to that of an aeon, or surefire. Please

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iamnuts View Post
    Curiosity has the better of me, so Ill just have to ask;
    Have the additional prototypes turned up yet?
    Hows the magnet placement doing?
    Any more runtimes done?
    Sorry to be cheeky

    Hi Iamnuts,

    No problem at all

    New proto's, not yet.
    I've sent a list of revisions and minor adjustments to the R&D lab.
    These include the magnet position, mode output, mode interface, etc
    as well as final body adjustments such as knurling pattern in the rings on the body,
    also ensuring their is no anodizing under the metal die the XM-L chip is on to ensure maximum heat transfer.


    The body issues are easy to adjust.
    The pcb/driver takes a little more time to tweak and run tests on in the lab, then printing out the pcb for physical tests.
    Due to holiday's in this part of the world during the 2nd half of this month, its going to be a little slow through out January,
    but expecting the new proto's (including 4500K model), mode selection, magnet to be ready during the first week or so in February.

    I will be doing some more battery testing during that time, working on various other aspects and getting the small stuff in order (website, order process, etc).


    Quote Originally Posted by AlphaZen View Post
    I just wanted to jump in this thread with my support. I have been following for awhile and wanted to voice how excited I am for this light. I love the way you have taken the input of the community to help shape it's development. This is a special project. Keep up the good work.
    Hi AlphaZen,
    Thanks so much for posting and your support.
    Much appreciated


    Quote Originally Posted by duro View Post
    I would like to see knurling akin to that of an aeon, or surefire. Please
    Hi duro,

    Thanks for the post,
    Its been mentioned a couple of times (perhaps lost in the depths of the part 1),
    and agree that the knurling could be a little more aggressive in terms of grip.
    I am planning to enhance the knurling to something I think should satisfy everybody in the production version.

    tgwnn

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    Hi Tgwnn,

    Just wanted to say again, thank you for allowing all of us to share and participate in this wonderful and exciting project that has evolved from your (evidently) very creative mind. Even though I have never met you, you are an inspiration and a good role model for all, young and old alike. I have no doubt that you will be successful in whatever project you take on in the future. Please take as long as you need to work out all the little kinks and bugs that are arising in the final stages of production. I think that this will be the "perfect" flashlight for many, many people and it deserves to be "perfect." I will be ready and waiting to order at least 2 as soon as the order page goes up. 2 quotes come to mind at the moment. "Good things come to those who wait," and "The longer you wait, the better it will be."

    Rebel Bayou

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    Quote Originally Posted by rebelbayou View Post
    Hi Tgwnn,

    Just wanted to say again, thank you for allowing all of us to share and participate in this wonderful and exciting project that has evolved from your (evidently) very creative mind. Even though I have never met you, you are an inspiration and a good role model for all, young and old alike. I have no doubt that you will be successful in whatever project you take on in the future. Please take as long as you need to work out all the little kinks and bugs that are arising in the final stages of production. I think that this will be the "perfect" flashlight for many, many people and it deserves to be "perfect." I will be ready and waiting to order at least 2 as soon as the order page goes up. 2 quotes come to mind at the moment. "Good things come to those who wait," and "The longer you wait, the better it will be."

    Rebel Bayou
    Hi rebelbayou,

    Thanks for the post and very kind message and so happy to hear you are enjoying the development process
    We have made a lot of progress since starting, though it has taken a little more time than I first envisioned.


    Project success:
    I'm keeping it very simple,
    Creating & being able to personally own a fine, working Torpedo is my goal post (my single measure of success).
    Being able to share the product and offer it to everyone who'd like one too, that's a huge bonus.
    I feel that keeping my goal post simple, increases my chance of success, but I'm not there yet.


    I think I shall carve the following on something and hang it on my wall in case I should ever get distracted...
    My goal:
    "To just make a great product, something I would personally want to own and use."


    Thanks,
    tgwnn

    p.s. I do sincerely appreciate all the feedback from everyone (each and every post, good, bad or spicy), and I'm very gratified to those who appreciate the product design & features, but not so sure I've provided anything role-model worthy (there are perhaps, many others far more deserving of such title).

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