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    Quote Originally Posted by Bolster View Post
    Anybody here wear bifocals? You're always arguing with them. . . . .
    I meet two types of people who have tried bifocals - those who just can't adjust to them - and those like me that persevere and find them very effective.

    Similarly car GPSs - some people hear the turn and speed instructions and follow them, where appropriate - and those who say "how can you cope with that thing telling you what to do" (and they're the ones with a serious number of speeding fines !!!)

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    Count me as the third type of bifocal wearer--they work very well in certain situations (sitting in a classroom, writing notes), and are frustrating as heck in others (walking down stairs, nailing in crown molding).

    Anyway my comment was meant to be an analogy, not a thread derail. I think this light will cause people fits in some situations. But if it's easy to switch into manual mode, great. Wish there was a "manual mode" on my bifocals!!

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    i can just see disaster happening with this automated technology, i prefer to be in charge of output and beam shape at all times, but thats just me, keep up the good work mr Horton.

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    what would be great would be if there was a "gain" dial for adjusting the light sensor, and a switch for turning the feature off -with a traditional manual input as well.
    Sounds like a great idea, only problem I see other than the sensor itself failing is if you got a bit of leaf or mud blocking the sensor.
    The brighter the light, the darker the shadow.

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    May actually work well.
    Im not very concerned about the possibility of blinding people when you look up. It is a general rule not to point the beam at other peaples eyes, so why do it now?
    And when I walk and dont need to see far ahead, I usually tilt the lamp downwards to get the main beam close, so it will then go to low level automatically.

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    From Petzl's press release:
    Lighting is controlled via a large rotating on/off switch, which can be locked in the 'off' position. The switch allows the user to choose between Reactive Lighting or Static modes, with high/low output options in each. Static lighting gives a fixed output (non-reactive).

    In Reactive Lighting mode the headset uses a single high-output LED in a wide-angled beam. In Static mode the headset uses both the wide-angled beam and a second high-output LED configured for a focused beam. Maximum power output is 355 lumens. Performance profiles can be customised via Petzl's OS 2.0 on your computer.

    For 'emergency use', the battery pack will accept 2 x conventional AAA batteries.
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    Hey carrot thought we lost you there for a while glad you came back

    From the press release:
    For 'emergency use', the battery pack will accept 2 x conventional AAA batteries.
    This explains the strange animated pic on Petzl's site that shows a Lithium Ion cell and 2 smaller silver things. They must be the AAA cells.
    There was no explanation as to what the picture illustrated. I wonder if the LIon comes out can we carry a spare LIon cell and plug that in instead.

    I'm still wondering if this light senses the actual white light reflected back or if there is an IR beam coming out of the 3rd eye as well as a sensor. It looks more like a focusing optic than a sensor eye. If it sensed white light levels it would shut off if you stepped into a brightly lit area, how bad would that be if a car was coming at you on the road and your light shut off due to the cars bright lights shining at your headlamp. Or what would happen if you put two of these head lamps face to face to fight it out? Would they start flickering as each dimmed and brightened? Would they turn on and off in unison, or would one win the fight? Is it light or distance this thing is measuring? Maybe both?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nein166 View Post
    Or what would happen if you put two of these head lamps face to face to fight it out?
    Sounds like something to test at the next PF
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    From the video I think it looks cool! Would love to test it brand new then beat the living crap out of it for a while and see if another test would produce the same results as the first. I worryabout Too much technology in tough situations.

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    definitely looks cool, but i could see the downfalls with me using it on the job site

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    I think it's a great concept, always thought that, and way more useful for a headlamp than for a flashlight.
    Wether the implementation is good we will see when there are some reviews.


    What it needs in my opinion:

    A way to adjust the output level in auto mode (like others said already), maybe three or four logarithmic "visually linear" stages selected with a turning knob or similar.

    Potential biggest issue is obviously when a bright light is pointed towards you the headlamp will dim down when you need high output instead 1. to see something while you are being blinded and 2. to signal you are here to the oncoming car or whatever it is.

    If they are really smart the could make give the sensor the ability to differenciate between own reflected light and light from other sources but I don't expect that.
    This is how I would do it: have the headlamp send out a high-frequency signal to "mark" the emitted light as "own". Don't dim down if the light coming to the sensor doesn't have the signal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helmut.G View Post

    *SNIP*

    If they are really smart the could make give the sensor the ability to differenciate between own reflected light and light from other sources but I don't expect that.
    This is how I would do it: have the headlamp send out a high-frequency signal to "mark" the emitted light as "own". Don't dim down if the light coming to the sensor doesn't have the signal.
    Wouldn't that mean that in full daylight, the headlamp would be at high output? In most cases, a high amount of ambient light means you'd want to power down your headlamp. Obviously, there are exceptions to this...

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodentsick View Post
    Wouldn't that mean that in full daylight, the headlamp would be at high output? In most cases, a high amount of ambient light means you'd want to power down your headlamp. Obviously, there are exceptions to this...

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    Not necessarily. Ideally it would be made in a way that it simply ignores all light from other sources while still detecting and regulating its own output so it would still try to keep the lux number of "headlamp light" that comes back to your eyes constant. I don't know if that'd really work, of course.

    And if you need it in bright sunlight there's still manual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 127.0.0.1 View Post
    maybe it will be ideal when climbing between snow/dirt/rocks and it will adjust the light better
    as you transition between different reflective surfaces [than by hand] ?
    Light sensors in the photography world have been around decades longer and prove that dumb machines are not able to properly adjust for these nuances. At best this light will be able to adjust to an "average" scene, which is typically equivalent to an 18% photo gray card. That means it will dim light on snow until it looks 18% gray, and brighten light on a volcanic beach, until it looks 18% gray (at least try to, that is).

    Max runtime also looks to be only 8 hrs on auto-adjust, and 20 hrs manual..... not a very good for camping light IMHO.

    This thing would drive me crazy on auto-adjust, but then again, anything from Petzl and Black Diamond already does.

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    I had an evening to try out the Nao. Unfortunately no time to take pictures, but i did take it on a night trek.

    First some facts:

    -The light is comfortable to wear and ti's easy to adjust size.
    -It uses single 18650 battery pack with a 3 pin plug (so i guess it monitors temperature)
    -The cable that can be detached from battery box and has 4 pins.
    -The battery box also has a USB plug that doesn't need cable unless the plug on computer is too recessed.
    -The light will be programmable the same way as Tikka Core is. Current software (OS 2.0) doesn't recognize it. PC recognized it as Petzl NAO battery charger (if memory serves me right)
    -It has a twist switch with mode (reactive/manual) memory and locked position. Short twist and the light fades on. Long twist changes the mode from reactive to manual and vice versa. By default manual mode has two brightness levels. When switched off the light fades out.
    -I didn't notice any PWM and I believe it is current regulated as it seemed greener on lower levels.

    And then some impressions:

    As skeptical as I was about light changing intensity by it self I must admit I was pleasantly surprised. It makes the light truly hands free. You want to see what's there? Just look in that direction and the light will shine as much as it can or needs to. No need to let go of the rope to adjust it. It also conserves your night vision by quickly dimming when an object gets close to it (checking time on wrist watch, changing the tilt of lamp...)
    This type of behavior takes a little time to get used to. Objects that are getting closer will be equally bright so walking up to a marking on a wall won't make it any brighter. Also in cold conditions condensed exhaled air will dim it, but I believe it's better to dim the light than blind the user.

    I think Nao is a good trekking light and will spoil many of us. However I'm still waiting for IPx8 grade caving light and hoping that Petzl hasn't forgot about us.
    Last edited by Matjazz; 02-21-2012 at 08:52 AM.
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    Thanks, this light sounds like a keeper

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    Hopefully they let the user select a single mode and brightness... I wouldn't want to blind everyone 50 meters around when I walk around camp and I wouldn't want to always run on a setting that's too high either.

    I like the concept, I HATE that such a lamp that will likely sell for 300$+ is only IPX-4 rated. Are these outdoors "specialized" headlamp companies populated by couch potatoes or something???
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    Looks promising but it certainly would cost a lot of money.
    Also IPX4 sucks in this kind and this budget headlamps.
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    IMO this headlamp provides a solution to a problem that does not exist. At least I've never wanted/needed a "smart" headlamp that would choose outputs for me.

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    I agree with garbman that the NAO is definitely at a disadvantage by only being rated IPX4. If it's not submersible, even for a few minutes, it's no use to me.... sigh!

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    Has anyone found a decent review for this headlamp yet?

    I'm a trail runner, and the promised features of this headlamp would be a godsend!

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    Quote Originally Posted by server View Post
    IMO this headlamp provides a solution to a problem that does not exist. At least I've never wanted/needed a "smart" headlamp that would choose outputs for me.
    Most true innovations are like that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by peglegrook View Post
    Has anyone found a decent review for this headlamp yet?

    I'm a trail runner, and the promised features of this headlamp would be a godsend!
    This written by a runner:

    http://run.dj/?p=562

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lantos View Post
    This written by a runner:

    http://run.dj/?p=562
    Cool, thanks for the link!

    I also ended up finding this video that did a decent job of showing the light in action (although indoors, not outdoors):
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmN91IVoIFw


    For the price I'll stick with my MYO RXP until a see a few more reviews on the NAO. I'm excited about it, but it is hard to toss the MYO aside when it is been such a great light.

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    User video unboxing video (finnish language) and nice outdoor shots from 05:26.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Tfv5J0Yi1M

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