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Wow, my integral-tail suggestion was more popular than I expected. Usually when I make product suggestions they kinda linger for a bit and then disappear, like soap bubbles.
Here's where this project stands today ... prints, description & renderings were emailed to almost a dozen nearby CNC shops, including some in the greater St. Louis area (Missouri & Illinois) - population of 3 million. Also posted this on MFG.com. Received a grand total of one quote
In quantities of 25 the quote was over $60 higher than the original estimate from PEU's shop. We will continue to look for a shop that can more efficiently run these & we know they exist. If we can wait 6-12 months there's one shop down the block that will match the original estimate.
Bottom line? If the price is $60 more no one will buy this body & if the profit is $60 less it is not economically feasible.
If it can hold a pair of 18350s, I can wait six months to get one. I'm not going to be stumbling around in the dark until then.
Can PEU's shop not do the work even though they provided an estimate? What about TnC? The ROTOR would make a good companion product for their E2C adaptors.
I spent today working on a 20' slide gate operator that had never worked properly. Eight hours later & it's running like a well oiled machine The company makes both underground storm shelters & above ground plate steel safe rooms. As one of the owners said (while giving me a job list for next week) they've not had a recession in their business. Nicely made products: Lifesaver Storm Shelters.
Most of my partner shops don't advertise, don't accept any off the street (or off the web) retail business, & pick the jobs they like to run. I sent a text to one shop this morning asking if there was any way he could run 25 ROTOR bodies & his reply was simply "no way".
At least he had the courtesy to reply. I can understand that some shops want only certain jobs, that's business. But how much effort does it take to send an email & say "no quote" or "unable to run this part". I wouldn't treat my dog like that.
What a beautiful design!
What is keeping my cash in my pocket is simply that it isn't a complete light. What I saw in the renderings looks awesome as a light. Then I read its a body only. I was like huh?
Don't look at a render as a body only, look at it as a finished light, would look really awesome!
Thank you for your compliments & confidence in the design. PEU & I really want to get these machined but the one issue that's holding us back is the number 25 ... meaning that we have to pay up front for 25 bodies & hope to sell enough to recapture our investment. The shop will run as few as 12 but the price is heart stopping.
If anyone has knowledge of a small run/prototype CNC shop we'd love to hear about it. Until then we keep on looking.
The body would also look cool if the flats on the rings would be less aggressively stepped, as in 5 degrees or so? The way it is is awesome, don't misunderstand me pls. Looks sort of like a crankcase.
In addition, there's a slew of aluminum E-series and C-series (with adaptors) parts that will fit, made by multiple companies, including but not limited to Surefire themselves.
Great!!! Sorry if i'm off topic, but i need to ask.. do you plan to make a 18650 body like this for the V10R Ti ???...
I needed a hope... V10R ROTOR wow this sound so good.. I really wish you good luck for find a shop
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I'm might be talking nonsense because I'm really, really new to this game, but does it have to be a U.S. based shop? I know shipping costs then come into consideration but I've recently started a manufacture and sales thread that involves copper P60 pills being CNC turned. I was unsure of how many I needed when I started but within less than an hour of whee I live I found 4 shops all more than capable of doing the work, and 3 of the had lead times of less than a week. And those were all on the first page of Google...seems to be big business Down Under.
Obviously a P60 sized copper pill is not a complicated part to machine nor is it a hard material to work with (unlike Titanium), but it is possibly an option. Your prices may be stupidly expensive but there is no harm in asking. Further more if the shipping of parts all the way back to the U.S. was an issue you could think about direct shipping to individuals from the country they are manufactured in. Not putting my hand up or offering any services, but just thinking out loud, trying to be helpful and so forth
For what it's worth this is the shop running my P60 job.
When a shop runs the same parts over & over there's no need to be in the shop & act as an inspector. If it's the first time the shop has run your parts you'll want to be there to avoid glitches. I've had a number of conversations with other small titanium light manufacturers & every one of them insists on the need to be present on new or complicated work. If the shop messes up they normally will not charge for setup time or machining time ... but they surely will charge for the bar stock that was run. Scrapping out aluminum isn't so bad but paying for quite a few kilos of titanium scrap will make a grown man cry.
There are quite a few good shops within two hours driving distance of where I live. Normal lead times are 45 days ARO (after receipt of order). The best quote so far also has the longest lead time, somewhere between 60 and 90 days.I found 4 shops all more than capable of doing the work, and 3 of these had lead times of less than a week.
I'll be glad to email the prints if you have time to run them over to Kilner's & see what they think. My only concern is that they don't list titanium as one of their day to day materials. That's not to say that they cannot run titanium but they may be less than enthusiastic.Not putting my hand up or offering any services,
As long as we continue to build weapons at a feverish pace, the likelihood of getting a lead time shorter than a month or two from a US-based shop experienced with titanium isn't very good. You might have to consider shops in less warlike countries to get a reasonable lead time. That being said, if Congress doesn't get its act together and the uniform spending cuts go into effect, I imagine there will be a lot of high-end machine shops suddenly looking for extra work to fill the gaps after the new year.
Wow. What machine shops are you talking about I wonder? Are these the same ones they are talking about?
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Two of the nearby shops do business with the General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems facility located in Marion Illinois. Three of the St. Louis shops do work for McDonnell-Douglas Aircraft. Our local newspaper reports when these companies receive government contracts (which seems often). Smaller contracts run around $10M USD & larger ones get into real money
I'm paying for my order on Monday morning so I will ask them about Titanium. If they do then I'll grab the prints but if not it only takes 5 seconds to ask Of course like I said there's more than one shop close by - mass email here I come lol.
Is this project still on?
We have yet to find a shop that can deliver for the price we need. I can have one run but the cost is more than Dave charges for the SPY Tri-V