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    Default Is anyone NOT happy with their Surefire UB3T?

    Well, are you? I have read lots of reviews and am thinking of getting one myself.

    Is the fit and finish as good as you expected?

    Is the throw as good as you expected?

    How does the throw compare with a SST-90?
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    Default Re: Is anyone NOT happy with their Surefire UB3T?

    I'm sure you're gonna be hard-pressed to find someone who isn't satisfied.

    as far as throw compared to the SST-90s, I don't know if you're gonna get the exact answer youre looking for. the sst-90 is a very floody emitter I believe. HOWEVER, I don't know if anyone knows for sure what emitter the UB3T uses, so perhaps it is an SST-90. The thing is, though, the SF UB3T has a TIR lens that makes the beam a very tight one, so it could well be an SST-90 in there, for all I know, but the TIR (total internal reflection, that is) lens just modifies the standard emittings pretty darn well.

    I don't own an Invictus, however, although I wish I did. I'm sure you'll be more than pleased if you buy one

    and the paragraph I wrote on throw is from my amateur-ish perspective/knowledge. feel free to correct me guys!
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    One should try out different torches before a purchase!
    There are a few budget lights that may do the same or better

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    Default Re: Is anyone NOT happy with their Surefire UB3T?

    Quote Originally Posted by TadpolePilot View Post

    One should try out different torches before a purchase!
    There are a few budget lights that may do the same or better

    China has come a long ways and most torch factories can be found there.
    so what beats out the UB3T then? the UB3T is pretty unique
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    I would be unhappy to see I had paid $695 a couple months ago and now the price is $395. As I've said before, everyone should make a profit. But how much profit does a company need to make? Is the light now being sold at a loss?

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    The UB3T ranks high among the best XM-L throwers. It doesn't have the spill that some of the other conventional reflector lights have but instead its beam is concentrated into a fairly tight cone. Lux numbers are in the area of 40K+. The LED isn't an SST-90 because you can actually see the die through the TIR. Most SST-90 lights aren't normally considered throwers except for those with exceptionally large or deep reflectors, like the SR90. I think few would be disappointed with the capability of the UB3T unless they want a lot of spill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tobrien View Post
    so what beats out the UB3T then? the UB3T is pretty unique
    RRT-3 XML?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 7histology View Post
    Is the fit and finish as good as you expected?
    Yes. The variable output modes and throw make this a very useful and versatile light. The battery indicator is great too.

    Is the throw as good as you expected?
    Yes, it throws a LONG way. I would expect you would be impressed.

    The other thing I'll say about it is that while it is mostly a throw light, it does have enough spill, and also the lower output modes, so that it is a useful walking around light. When you need to spot stuff in the distance, it can do it, but you don't really need to switch to another light to walk around. The only negative thing I'll say about it is that they need to reintroduce the diffuser that fits it, because it is just not a substitute for a floody light.

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    I am putting this post here to bring this thread to the front page so as to see if it generates any more responses to my question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by recDNA View Post
    RRT-3 XML?
    That's a floody light, not a thrower except by sheer horsepower. Still, it can do 300+ yards.

    The Invictus is only ~ 800 lumens, but its 800 lumens all in a row on their way downrange...figure close to 400 yards throw.

    The SR 90 similarly throws a tighter beam, but its head makes more spill, buts its closer to ~ 1,300 otf lumens...so overall its throwing a coupla hundred yards FURTHER than the SF...with a fatter beam on target, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7histology View Post
    Well, are you? I have read lots of reviews and am thinking of getting one myself.

    Is the fit and finish as good as you expected?

    Is the throw as good as you expected?

    How does the throw compare with a SST-90?


    It's a fantastic light and I think it's only downside it the high cost, even though it's much cheaper than when it was first introduced.

    The fit and finish is typical Surefire, top notch.

    The throw is as good as I suspected but I peeked at some reviews on YouTube so I knew what to expect.

    I have no idea how it compares to a SST-90 and don't really care.

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    Default Re: Is anyone NOT happy with their Surefire UB3T?

    I love mine. Only problem is, work eats so much of my time now I don't take it out much

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    I love mine! I use the low mode a lot for wandering around the house at night. I find I either use low or high the most and not much in between. But.... those settings make the light very useful. Surefire gets and A+ from me.

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    Could we turn this into a

    I LOVE MY INVICTUS THREAD AND WHY?
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    I like the Invictus and use it quite a bit. I like the levels but could do without the SOS and strobe. I like the throw with minimal spill but not so small to be useless. I like my DBS aspheric but it is very one dimensional and limited in its use so the UB3T fills my practical uses much better. The battery level indicator is very practical IMHO.

    My only gripe is the initial cost versus what it is now going for. I understand prices going down but not by almost $300 dollars, so quickly, these are clearance prices, I feel robbed. This will keep me from buying any Surefires too quickly in the future. I like Surefire and will buy them as any other light but they will no longer make money from me on any new product until it has seen some considerable shelf life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffa View Post
    My only gripe is the initial cost versus what it is now going for. I understand prices going down but not by almost $300 dollars, so quickly, these are clearance prices, I feel robbed. This will keep me from buying any Surefires too quickly in the future.
    As I commented on another thread :

    Quote Originally Posted by Vox Clamatis in Deserto View Post
    I share your pain. I was thinking about buying another UB3T at the new price so I could cut my losses.

    I'll observe that every year when we complain about the SF price increases, the thread always gets closed. Now that we are complaining about a SF price cut, our discussion is allowed to run unfettered.
    I like the UB3T, I do wish it had a little more spill, it is definitely a spotlight in my view. I've complained elsewhere on CPF about the ergonomics. Since it is hard to click down on low modes to maintain your eyes' dark adaptation without risking a sudden 800 lumen SOS blast, I find I use it mostly as a two mode light with a low setting for walking and watching the stars and high available by tightening or pushing the tailcap to check out distant wildlife.

    The UB3T works great on AW 17500's, if the power is off for a while, it will even take CR123A's.

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    Default Re: Is anyone NOT happy with their Surefire UB3T?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vox Clamatis in Deserto View Post
    I've complained elsewhere on CPF about the ergonomics. Since it is hard to click down on low modes to maintain your eyes' dark adaptation without risking a sudden 800 lumen SOS blast
    I agree with this - the placement of the SOS is terrible, that is my only complaint about the light.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrBenchmark

    I agree with this - the placement of the SOS is terrible, that is my only complaint about the light.
    Yes, I agree. It's the problem with light.
    The modes are really nice, but not wisely positioned.
    But still I love this light.

    Ask KROMATICS for his opinion. He sold his UB3T. I wonder why.
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    What does this mean? I don't understand in particular ....... " if the power is off for a while, it will even take CR123A's"




    Quote Originally Posted by Vox Clamatis in Deserto View Post
    As I commented on another thread :

    The UB3T works great on AW 17500's, if the power is off for a while, it will even take CR123A's.
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    OK - now I think I see it! This is IRONY!
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    Default Re: Is anyone NOT happy with their Surefire UB3T?

    Quote Originally Posted by iapyx View Post
    The modes are really nice, but not wisely positioned.
    But still I love this light.
    Yeah, I love this light too.

    In actual practice, I haven't found the SOS mode to be a big problem, more of a mild annoyance, but it really needs to be the last mode of the light, right after the signal strobe. If you can keep track of how many times you've turned the selector ring, it's not a problem at all I guess.

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    This really seems to be the major (relatively speaking - not really major) complaint.

    I might have thought it would be the relative lack of spill but most users seem to think there is in practice enough spill even though the white-wall shots don't really show much.



    Quote Originally Posted by MrBenchmark View Post
    Yeah, I love this light too. In actual practice, I haven't found the SOS mode to be a big problem, more of a mild annoyance, but it really needs to be the last mode of the light, right after the signal strobe. If you can keep track of how many times you've turned the selector ring, it's not a problem at all I guess.
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    Now that I have one and have tried it out, I find the spill quite adequate - even in white wall shots.

    Mine certainly seems to have more spill than the photographs in Selfbuilt's excellent review seem to show.

    Could it be that Surefire have subtly changed the UB3T without telling us? Mine has a 'B' serial no. FWIIW.

    Quote Originally Posted by 7histology View Post
    I might have thought it would be the relative lack of spill but most users seem to think there is in practice enough spill even though the white-wall shots don't really show much.
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    Does anyone have any thoughts on whether SureFire MIGHT have subtly changed the UB3T as below?


    Quote Originally Posted by 7histology View Post
    Now that I have one and have tried it out, I find the spill quite adequate - even in white wall shots.

    Mine certainly seems to have more spill than the photographs in Selfbuilt's excellent review seem to show.

    Could it be that Surefire have subtly changed the UB3T without telling us? Mine has a 'B' serial no. FWIIW.
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    I honestly don't understand why anyone would buy this light. Its $400 and gets absolutely destroyed in throw and spill by the SR90, TK70 and probably many other lights and these are all cheaper as well! I just cannot understand why anyone would like this light unless they enjoy spending more money and getting less.

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    I find the TIR construction very interesting. Not much of spill but it instead has a wider hotspot than a reflector light with same hotspot intensity at same total output.
    Because the runtime of UB3T is too short in my opinion, I may be going for the M6LT instead. Only one mode, but for lower brightnesses I have other lights!
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    Default Re: Is anyone NOT happy with their Surefire UB3T?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smood View Post
    I honestly don't understand why anyone would buy this light. Its $400 and gets absolutely destroyed in throw and spill by the SR90, TK70 and probably many other lights and these are all cheaper as well! I just cannot understand why anyone would like this light unless they enjoy spending more money and getting less.
    Perhaps you "need a light" to see the drastic and very obvious difference in size between these lights? Maybe you pocket your TK70 and SR90 everyday? UB3T isn't pocket friendly too but at least it is not as huge and as cumbersome as the 2 lights that you have mentioned. They are of totally different class.
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    Default Re: Is anyone NOT happy with their Surefire UB3T?

    If you like throw, then it is a good choice. The spill isn't very bright compared to reflectors. My only minor concern is the shortish runtime.

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    Using as a searchlight at distance I think it's excellent. A bright spill sometimes is a serious drawback when it dazzles on the foreground. A wide and beefy hotspot with less spill actually has it's place for some situations!
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    Quote Originally Posted by pjandyho View Post
    Perhaps you "need a light" to see the drastic and very obvious difference in size between these lights? Maybe you pocket your TK70 and SR90 everyday? UB3T isn't pocket friendly too but at least it is not as huge and as cumbersome as the 2 lights that you have mentioned. They are of totally different class.
    Ya I guess size it does have an advantage. But are you honestly telling me you cannot get a light that size that has as much lux or more for cheaper? I don't even think it will throw that much further than a olight M3X or a Crelant 7G5v2 and those lights are similar in size and less than half the price. The UB3T is a total waste of money and surefire is just expecting purchases based on their name. Its sad.

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