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    Quote Originally Posted by edpmis02 View Post
    I try to buy quality brands during special sales or clearance so I get the best of both worlds.. just gotta be patient. but I did pay full price for a Zebralight SC600W during the preorder period. I like the flexibility of the interface, but I can never hit the proper mode the first time.

    Going Gear has good sales of Quarks right now. AA Tactical would be my recommendation. I got a Quark X AA^2 tactical for $45. Run it on some Sanyo Eneloops.
    Thanks, I don't have much time left so can't be too patient about it really. She's flying out first week of April so I need it to arrive before then. Sometime international shipping can take up to several weeks so I'm mindful I need to decide on one soon.

    Going Gear charge for international shipping and say it can take >30 days to deliver... plus there will be import tax charges too...

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    Quote Originally Posted by CTR View Post
    Thanks, I don't have much time left so can't be too patient about it really. She's flying out first week of April so I need it to arrive before then. Sometime international shipping can take up to several weeks so I'm mindful I need to decide on one soon.

    Going Gear charge for international shipping and say it can take >30 days to deliver... plus there will be import tax charges too...
    Have you tried:

    http://www.flashaholics.co.uk/

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    http://www.qualityflashlights.co.uk/

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    Default Re: Compact torch with long runtimes with standard batteries?

    Quote Originally Posted by march.brown View Post
    There is only one sensible choice in each size.

    In AA , the ITP-A2.
    In AAA , the ITP-A3.
    In 123 , the ITP-A1.

    There really is no better choice than ITP for the money ... I have two each of the A3's (EDC on keyrings) and A2's (clipped in jacket pockets) plus an A1 by the bedside.
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    Thanks, they're good, but I am prepared to pay a little more if it means I can squeeze a bit more runtime and output from the light. The performance of XPE do seem to fall behind XPGs and XMLs in single AA, AAA or 123 lights though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roadkill1109 View Post
    no I haven't, I'll have a look at lunch time! thanks!

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    Default Re: Compact torch with long runtimes with standard batteries?

    I know it's slightly higher than your budget but I'd got for something like the Olight S35 - XML 3xAA light with simple side switch and low battery warning.

    http://www.olightworld.com/en/products_show.aspx?ProId=382&CateId=105

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    0 hours - 20 lumens
    5 hours - 120 lumens
    1.5 hourse - 380 lumens

    Available from LedFiretorches.co.uk for £48.71 delivered (With CPF discount)

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    Default Re: Compact torch with long runtimes with standard batteries?

    Have you considered the new Fenix LD12. Mid is 27 lumens for 11 hours.

    also the Sunwayman R20A Mid is 37 lumens for 50 hours (2xAA). Retail Approx £30 at flashaholics. roadkill1109

    good luck with your search.

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    Default Re: Compact torch with long runtimes with standard batteries?

    Depending on where she is going cr123's might be tricky to find. I spent a while in Asia and India and my arc aaa and a fenix ld01 did me very well. The arc attatched to room keys and the ld01 for when I needed a bit more brightness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CTR View Post
    Thanks, post #7 is for a Quark R5 AA? Not XML, it's XPG - which is ok I guess but it's medium mode run time is a little lacking at 22 OTF lumens for 6 hours (50ma). The Quark Mini X 123 has a medium mode of 45 lumens for 6.5 hours which is a lot better. Ideally, I'm looking for as close to >25 lumens for 10hrs as possible on a single cell.
    If I remember correctly the medium mode is about 12 hours not 6. Selfbuilt also did a review and runtime test on the AA Quark (R2) and on Eneloops the runtime was 12 hours and 25 minutes to 50%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CTR View Post
    Thanks, post #7 is for a Quark R5 AA? Not XML, it's XPG - which is ok I guess but it's medium mode run time is a little lacking at 22 OTF lumens for 6 hours (50ma). The Quark Mini X 123 has a medium mode of 45 lumens for 6.5 hours which is a lot better. Ideally, I'm looking for as close to >25 lumens for 10hrs as possible on a single cell.
    The Quark AA with XP-E ran an Eneloop on medium for over 13 hours to 50% in a test done here: http://archive.light-reviews.com/4sevens_quarkaa/

    Put that Quark head on a 2x123 body and run a 17670 and you can get about 30 hours on medium.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JemR View Post
    Have you considered the new Fenix LD12. Mid is 27 lumens for 11 hours.

    also the Sunwayman R20A Mid is 37 lumens for 50 hours (2xAA). Retail Approx £30 at flashaholics. roadkill1109

    good luck with your search.
    I really like the SWM R20A, I was actually going to buy this after you suggested it as it seems to fit the bill nicely, although it is a little longer than I prefered. However all the specs that I have seen for the run times seems to be for 2600mAh AA, not disposable Alkalines. I need to know how much of a reduction there will be in output and runtimes if used with disposable AAs really...

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    Default Re: Compact torch with long runtimes with standard batteries?

    I've done a little more homework and came across this light which seems to fit my requirements well, just wondering if anyone has used it before? Any good? Someone said about CR123 not being easily obtainable, which is true. She's going for 3 weeks but I figured that if I give her 8 additional CR123s which she can dispose of as she goes along, it should hopefully last her 2.5 weeks.


    Lumintop ED20 Cree XM-L (£39.95 Delivered)

    2 x CR123 / 1 x 18650

    420 lumens / 2.5 hour runtime
    80 lumens / 10 hours runtime
    10 lumens / 60 hours runtime

    Bezel Diameter : 1 inch (26mm)
    Body Diameter : 1 inch (25.4mm)
    Weight : 3 ounces (84.5 g)


    UPDATE: Just realised this is out of stock from most UK retailers, so probably can't consider now.
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    SORRY Ctr! . My bad. Forgot you wanted only alkaline disposable cells. Unfortunatly i don't know what the difference would be. Hope I didn't sent you to far the wrong way.

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    Hi CTR. I have a TerraLUX LS100. Paid less than $20 USD for it. Single AA, 100 or 50 lumens at 2 and 8.50 hours runtime. Maybe more from a primary lithium? Lifetime warranty. Not too shabby...
    Better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CTR View Post
    Thanks, they're good, but I am prepared to pay a little more if it means I can squeeze a bit more runtime and output from the light. The performance of XPE do seem to fall behind XPGs and XMLs in single AA, AAA or 123 lights though.
    I really like my Titanium and Stainless A3's ... The Stainless is on my house keyring and the Titanium is on the car keyring ... I have a plain black A2 and a Stainless A2 , one of which is always in my inside jacket pocket and the A1 is by my bed along with a couple of Solarforces ... I have never needed a more powerful EDC torch than the A3's or A2's and in all fairness , the Eneloops seem to last ages.

    Good luck in your search.
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    It's not the lightest thing in the world (Stainless Steel), but I really like my JETBeam E3S.
    It may be a little slick if she's clumsy, but I've never dropped mine. (Though I have beat it with a hammer - it's a tough little bugger.)
    Low = 23 lumens for 15 hours on a single AA. Lights my path well when walking the dog in the dark.
    I run a Lithium AA (L91). It's plenty bright, and seems to last forever unless my daughters get hold of it.
    Even has decent throw on hi, for how small the head is.
    Cost roughly $60 USD
    Everything else I see on single AA either has a too low low (<< 25 lumen) or a too high medium (< 10 hrs runtime).

    If you're willing to go 2xCR123 you probably have a million choices. My neutral-white XP-E P20C2 MKII is compact, high quality, dead-easy to use on med/hi, but has other modes available, and puts out 60 lumen for 13 hrs on Med.

    Good luck!
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    Quote Originally Posted by CTR View Post
    She's flying out first week of April so I need it to arrive before then.
    You have left it too late for anything you can't walk into a store and buy, there and then, I suspect.

    I also drive an EP3.

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    Default Re: Compact torch with long runtimes with standard batteries?

    Guys, thank you for all your suggestions.

    After spending some time last night weighing up my options and researching a few other torches, I finally decided on the Klarus XT2C. It's a little over-budget but not by much and the spec and reviews are quite good.

    Cree XM-L T6

    470 ANSI lumens (2.5 hrs)
    150 lumens (7.3 hrs)
    10 lumens (295 hrs)

    The runtimes were with a Sanyo 2600mAh 18650, but as she will be using disposable CR123, I hope they have similar output and runtimes.

    Thanks again for all you advice and suggestions!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheapskate View Post
    You have left it too late for anything you can't walk into a store and buy, there and then, I suspect.

    I also drive an EP3.
    Yeah, she didn't leave me with much time to do some homework. Anyway, I've ordered the torch now and have been told it should arrive in time! fingers crossed!

    EP3 - Lovely car, but after 9 years of ownership and now we have a baby, I will have to sell it! Will be a sad day when it goes!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CTR View Post
    Guys, thank you for all your suggestions.

    After spending some time last night weighing up my options and researching a few other torches, I finally decided on the Klarus XT2C. It's a little over-budget but not by much and the spec and reviews are quite good.

    Cree XM-L T6

    470 ANSI lumens (2.5 hrs)
    150 lumens (7.3 hrs)
    10 lumens (295 hrs)

    The runtimes were with a Sanyo 2600mAh 18650, but as she will be using disposable CR123, I hope they have similar output and runtimes.

    Thanks again for all you advice and suggestions!
    The typical capacity for a CR123 is around 1500 mAh, so two of them together should have a greater capacity than a single 2600 mAh cell, which will increase the run time. However, I don't know much about the XT2C, many lights are brighter on 2xCR123 than 1x18650 (due to the higher voltage) unless they have really good current regulation over multiple voltage ranges. If the output is increased, that would decrease the run time. These factors might balance out, or one might outweigh the other.

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    Here are my notes on runtimes of the Quark Mini AA.
    Quark Mini AA
    On Med mode – 25 lm Manual states 18 hrs, but must be a misprint and should be 8 hrs, but not sure.
    At 3 hrs-50 min slightly less than 10 but more than 5 lm
    4 hrs about 5 lumens
    4 hrs -35 min slightly less than Arc AAA Discontinued check
    On high – 90 lum mode Manual states 1.3 hours runtime
    At 2 hrs- 15 min output was about 5 lumens
    2 hrs-30min about 2 lm. Discontinued check

    For her use I would keep it small and light. The AA batteries would seem to be the most available.

    No doubt you made a good choice, however. I am not familiar with the Klarus XT2C.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigmac_79 View Post
    The typical capacity for a CR123 is around 1500 mAh, so two of them together should have a greater capacity than a single 2600 mAh cell, which will increase the run time. However, I don't know much about the XT2C, many lights are brighter on 2xCR123 than 1x18650 (due to the higher voltage) unless they have really good current regulation over multiple voltage ranges. If the output is increased, that would decrease the run time. These factors might balance out, or one might outweigh the other.
    Thanks, I don't mind it sacrificing a little runtime, as long as it's not too much. The main one being the medium mode at 150 Lumens for 7.3hrs. Around 7hrs is fine for 150 lumens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JerryM View Post
    Here are my notes on runtimes of the Quark Mini AA.
    Quark Mini AA
    On Med mode – 25 lm Manual states 18 hrs, but must be a misprint and should be 8 hrs, but not sure.
    At 3 hrs-50 min slightly less than 10 but more than 5 lm
    4 hrs about 5 lumens
    4 hrs -35 min slightly less than Arc AAA Discontinued check
    On high – 90 lum mode Manual states 1.3 hours runtime
    At 2 hrs- 15 min output was about 5 lumens
    2 hrs-30min about 2 lm. Discontinued check

    For her use I would keep it small and light. The AA batteries would seem to be the most available.

    No doubt you made a good choice, however. I am not familiar with the Klarus XT2C.
    Best,
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    Thanks Jerry. I initially wanted to get a AA torch so that she can easily source replacements as she goes along. Then I figured that the best capacity to weight ratio disposable batteries are probably the CR123 - which I have about 2 boxes of that don't get used. The AA torches that I came across in my search really didn't stack up too well to my runtime/output/price/size requirements even though I was prepared to sacrifice in some areas.

    Fast running out of time, I had to make a decision on the XT2C, I just hope it's the right one! But even if it isn't, it'll just end up being another torch in my collection. The reviews do seem to say that the XT2C is a good EDC and well suited for outdoor activities though.

    She's a keen traveller, so no doubt I'll be in the same position looking for another torch and picking your brains in the not so distant future!

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    Hi CTR. Great choice. It looks a lovely light. There is a great video review of it at goinggear.com, you may have seen it. It's a search light on high!!
    I think she will keep it. All the best.
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    The only suitable light for a keen traveler is one that takes AA batteries, IMO. CR123 are not readily available and when they are, are very expensive from a store like a Chemist, which might be the only place they are available. And it needs two of them. They can be €8+ each in a store. The XT2C is too complicated having two switches. Sorry, I can hardly think of a more unsuitable light. Should have got 2 x Xeno EO3s for the price.

    2 x CR123 with 1500mAh capacity in series will give you 1500mAh of capacity, not 3000. You would only get 3000mAh if they are wired in parallel, so the run time on two CR123s will only be 57% of that for an 18650 at best.

    I have had no problems with a baby and toddlers in a hatch back.
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    2 CR123s make 6V, lets say 5.4V, while a 18650 is around 3.8V. If a proper step down circuit is used it is 8 Wh to 9.5 Wh in general. 2xCR123 have lower power for hour than a single 18650 but have the same Wh of a 17670 battery. Not bad for ready to use batteries if you'd think the unfair comparison between Eneloops and Alkalines.

    Of course if your light uses a linear current limiter than it is 1500mAh to 2500mAh, which is really bad because you waste too much of your cells energy in the circuit as heat.

    Anyway, I have 47s Quark AA2 and Quark X AA2 and I must say they are really bright lights with long running mediums and powerful highs, only with 2xAA batteries. They are efficient lights as far as I know. More compact, there is that Quakr Mini range. Eagletac also have some good compact lights in D25 range. I could buy D25A2 if I didn't have too many 2xAA lights already.
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    Default Re: Compact torch with long runtimes with standard batteries?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cheapskate View Post
    The XT2C is too complicated having two switches. Sorry, I can hardly think of a more unsuitable light.
    I think the UI on the XT2C seems really very easy to use. Large switch On/Off. Small switch embossed “mode” to change the mode or activate the strobe when the light is off. Am I missing something?
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    So if you fumble, hit the wrong switch, you will get a blinding strobe in the tent, on board the aircraft, or anywhere else you were wanting to be discrete?

    The bit you are missing is the intended recipient of the light is not a flashoholic, and is reported to be clumsy.

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    My apologies Cheapskate, I agree. There is always one!* I just didn't want people thinking these were difficult lights to use. That's what I mistook from your earlier comment. I know people search for lights they are interested in and don't read the whole thread. For them. There is quick access to the strobe and the light does come on high first. It's a tactical light. Beware the casual user, handle with care. I think we can both agree that if you press a switch you better be ready for some light!. All the best.



    *Just to be clear and avoid any confusion. I use this term generally and in no way in connection to anybody mentioned in this tread, or any other tread on CPF, by me or any other member. All of whom I have never meet and therefore have no idea as to if this term applies.
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    No Apology necessary

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    Default Re: Compact torch with long runtimes with standard batteries?

    Well, just a quick update to this thread.

    I bought the XT2C in the end thinking it would be good for my sister but at the same time would be something I can use for work when she returns. Anyway, as with all other threads looking for advice, there will inevitably be disagreements as to which one is best. I had to make a decision in the end as time was running out so went for the XT2C but when someone posted that it would have much poorer runtimes on CR123A I decided to get one more light just in case.

    I bought an EagleTac D25A Mini as well which should arrive today, in time for my sisters trip! Seems to be one of the best around for a single AA of that price range. Overspent my initial budget, but not too disappointed as they will both be well used!

    I discounted the Xenon E03 as I didn't like the runtime/output spec of it on alkalines. It seems good on NiMH but no good on disposables.

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