Post your Nichia 219 4500k beamshots

[Tain]

Beam shots of XPG High CRI and Nichia 219 High CRI





Color rendering comparison.
WHITE BALANCE: 4350K

[RI Chevy]

Nice shots. Thanks for sharing.

[^Gurthang]

Tain,

Thanks for those pics, very informative. Can hardly wait for the 219 delivery...

[ergotelis]

I successfully modded my nitecore IFE2 and quark mini123 Ti with this emitter. The tint color etc is awesome, but you get quite a big performance loss(i got almost half lumen output switching from the good xp-g S2 2T from cutter). BTW beam profile is excellent the emitter works excellent with these two reflectors.

[mohanjude]

Tain

Very helpful to see the comparisons.

I am using one of my lights to look at peoples throats and skin (rashes) etc during my work as a family doctor. I was initially under the mistaken impression years ago that a cold light source would be better than a warm light source. The very yellow warm incandescent lights used in the medical torches were not the same as natural sunlight. Certainly the poor light sources with small bulbs were very expensive for what they were and guzzled up the batteries. When the LED torch came out I was quick to use it but found that the although cold light source intially appeared to be very 'bright' and lasted ages on a set of batteries it did very little to show faint red rashes on the skin. I think the Nichia 219 4500K will be excellent as it will be a good balance of 'Neutral' between too cold and too warm.

[Tain]

Mohanjude,

Nichia 219 high CRI should be a great emitter for your diagnosis use. In real world use, I can distinguish colors better with 219 high CRI than with XPG high CRI.

[mohanjude]

Thanks Tain.

I hope I will be able to mod some of my existing lights such as SVM v10r Ti and Jetbeam TCR1 by simply swapping the LED.

Mohan

[Tain]

Mohan,

You will have better chance with V10R. TCR1 has a funny shaped PCB.

[easilyled]

Excellent beamshots, Tain. Thank you.

The Nichia 219 4500k seems to be the real deal - better color rendition than the High CRI-Cree XPG, yet with a much higher color temperature.

Interestingly the color rendition from the neutral XM-L seemed quite good even though it doesn't claim to have a high CRI

[tjswarbrick]

Awesome beamshots, Tain.
That's exactly what I see with mine.
I know the XM-L is Neutral, but it isn't nearly as white as the 219. It's not yellow, but doesn't really lean toward green. What is that? Just a little gray?
My neutral XM-L NB drop-in is more white than that, but my Quark X neutral is almost identical, while my Xeno neutral XM-L adds a touch of brown But they are all really close.
Through I never saw it as white, I really liked it until my first 219 showed up...

Mohan, the only LED likely to be better than the 4500k Hi CRI Nichia 219 for skin tone is the 4000K Hi CRI Nichia 119.
My Hi CRI XP-G's are pretty amber (3000k or so) - and, though better than the cool-whites I've tried, they do tend to color-shift everything a bit.

[mohanjude]

Mohan, the only LED likely to be better than the 4500k Hi CRI Nichia 219 for skin tone is the 4000K Hi CRI Nichia 119.
My Hi CRI XP-G's are pretty amber (3000k or so) - and, though better than the cool-whites I've tried, they do tend to color-shift everything a bit.

thanks for the advice. learning a lot of useful info from you all.

[mohanjude]

Mohan,

You will have better chance with V10R. TCR1 has a funny shaped PCB.

Yep.. I took my TCR1 off having looked at your pictures. Was thinking of shaping the star shaped board to similar shape...

I nearly had a disaster - I broke the negative wire close to the PCB. I had to desolder the board off the main board to repair the wire. I thought I ruined but once I soldered the 5 pins back on it worked.

[easilyled]

Tain

Very helpful to see the comparisons.

I am using one of my lights to look at peoples throats and skin (rashes) etc during my work as a family doctor. I was initially under the mistaken impression years ago that a cold light source would be better than a warm light source. The very yellow warm incandescent lights used in the medical torches were not the same as natural sunlight. Certainly the poor light sources with small bulbs were very expensive for what they were and guzzled up the batteries. When the LED torch came out I was quick to use it but found that the although cold light source intially appeared to be very 'bright' and lasted ages on a set of batteries it did very little to show faint red rashes on the skin. I think the Nichia 219 4500K will be excellent as it will be a good balance of 'Neutral' between too cold and too warm.

Mohanjude, if you ever tired of staring down people's throats (as I tired of staring at their mouths - I was a dentist), a whole new career beckons in providing ideal lighting equipment for general practitioners/ENT specialists/gynaecologists etc.

Knowing what your colleagues need and having the knowledge to provide it puts you in an ideal position.

[kaichu dento]

I am using one of my lights to look at peoples throats and skin (rashes) etc during my work as a family doctor. I was initially under the mistaken impression years ago that a cold light source would be better than a warm light source. The very yellow warm incandescent lights used in the medical torches were not the same as natural sunlight. Certainly the poor light sources with small bulbs were very expensive for what they were and guzzled up the batteries. When the LED torch came out I was quick to use it but found that the although cold light source intially appeared to be very 'bright' and lasted ages on a set of batteries it did very little to show faint red rashes on the skin. I think the Nichia 219 4500K will be excellent as it will be a good balance of 'Neutral' between too cold and too warm.

Have not seen a 219 yet, but the 119 is about as perfect a light source as I've ever seen for critical situations regarding color recognition. I'm sure that I can't be the only one, but my first test for tints is my hand - I know what it's supposed to look like and the 119 delivers daylight color in spades, much as I'm expecting from my first 219, which should be in my hands the next week or so.

[calipsoii]

Have not seen a 210 yet, but the 119 is about as perfect a light source as I've ever seen for critical situations regarding color recognition. I'm sure that I can't be the only one, but my first test for tints is my hand - I know what it's supposed to look like and the 119 delivers daylight color in spades, much as I'm expecting from my first 219, which should be in my hands the next week or so.

I think you'll like it KD. It's a different emitter than the 119 - you'll see what I mean when you receive it. It's not really a "119 killer", it's more of a complimentary LED. They both excel at different things and I wouldn't try to replace one with the other.

In my opinion, it doesn't render colors as vividly as the 119, but it makes up for that with an absolutely pure white tint that makes the 119 look yellowish. It's a good emitter and I hope to see more lights offer it (especially since it's almost a drop-in replacement for most, save for the reflector)

[mohanjude]

Mohanjude, if you ever tired of staring down people's throats (as I tired of staring at their mouths - I was a dentist), a whole new career beckons in providing ideal lighting equipment for general practitioners/ENT specialists/gynaecologists etc.

Knowing what your colleagues need and having the knowledge to provide it puts you in an ideal position.

Yes you are right. Looking at the amounts the companies charge for technology that is old is shocking. I think medics and managers go for the established brands as they are 'tried and tested'.

[blasterman]

I was initially under the mistaken impression years ago that a cold light source would be better than a warm light source.

For general color evaluation 5000-6000k would be, but *only* at a high CRI level. At present I don't think high CRI, high CCT solo LED's exist with most maxing at about 70-75 CRI. High CRI fluorescent tubes and metal halides > 90 CRI exist in this range, and that's where the 'impression' comes from. However, a typical 70 CRI cool-white emitter is going to have anemic amounts of red and amber and this will make visual observations involving blood somewhat difficult because your light source doesn't have much of this color to begin with.

The Rebel lxw8-pw80 comes at a 5000k flavor with a CRI rating of 85, which I find rather astonishing, but nobody seems to like Rebels here. Otherwise, you'll need to stick to lower CCT emitters to get enough red spectrum to work accurately.

[netprince]

I thought this was an interesting shot, host is a maratac AAA stainless steel...

[kaichu dento]

I think you'll like it KD. It's a different emitter than the 119 - you'll see what I mean when you receive it. It's not really a "119 killer", it's more of a complimentary LED. They both excel at different things and I wouldn't try to replace one with the other.

In my opinion, it doesn't render colors as vividly as the 119, but it makes up for that with an absolutely pure white tint that makes the 119 look yellowish. It's a good emitter and I hope to see more lights offer it (especially since it's almost a drop-in replacement for most, save for the reflector)

I thought they were the same emitter with a different footprint and that any differences in tint would be attributed to which bin the particular emitter came from. The way you're describing the two sounds like the two 119 Haiku's I have. My first one seems so purely white, except in direct comparison to Haiku #2.

I should have my first 219 by next week and will weigh in after I get a chance to play with it for a bit.

[guardpost3]

I swapped one into a Nitecore EX11.2 v2 last week (my first mod by the way) and have carried nothing but it since. I have tried several high CRI lights in the past and just could not bring myself to like how warm they were. This is one of my favorite tints and to be high CRI to boot is about as good as it gets. Cant wait to get my HDS back from Jake Royston with its new 219 in it.

[netprince]

This is such a great LED, I cant resist installing it into my previously XPG modded lights. This is a sunwayman v10a...

[guardpost3]

My HDS 170T with its new 219 thanks to Jake Royston.



Outside.


Compared to its unmodded GDP brother.


Fire Hydrant in the rain.


Office with the lights off. (and a mouse on the floor)

[HighLumens]

Hi guardpost3!
Thanks for these pics. May you take the same pictures with the hds using the gdp? If you manually set some parameters of the camera, please, be sure to use the same settings. Thanks.

[run4jc]

Have a few OVER HERE along with other lights...

[guardpost3]

Hi guardpost3!
Thanks for these pics. May you take the same pictures with the hds using the gdp? If you manually set some parameters of the camera, please, be sure to use the same settings. Thanks.

I actually thought about taking some with the gdp but had forgot to bring it with me. Except for the wall shot these pics were taken at my work after hours, I will snap some with the gdp next time I have the chance.

[BudK]

Pitch dark outbuilding. Illumination by Nichia 219

[RI Chevy]

Cool photo of the wood spider.

[davyro]

first up HDS 120E with nichia 219 second HDS Rotary with stock XP-G third Haiku 6V with nichia 219 last HDS 170T with stock LED

I don't know if these let us know the true story as i just used my phone for speed,next time ill get my camera out.

[tobrien]

i've got a dual 219 P60 drop-in coming soon from Nailbender. I noticed no one's got dual-Nichia 219 beamshots, so I can try but I'm not guaranteeing perfect results of my beamshots if y'all are interested. if you guys want to see em, i'll take some photos when all the stuff is in (FiveMega Cooly 26650, 26650 cells, and, of course, the Nailbender dual-Nichia 219 drop-in)

for what it's worth, the drop-in will be at 2.8 amps afaik

[The_Driver]

In these shots the difference between the 219 and standard cool white leds is very visible.