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    Default Re: What makes HDS lights so good? Low lumens & quite expensive for their size.

    I'm the owner of 3 HDS lights all different models & i think they're just about the perfect EDC light for me.I love the size, weight & feel of them but these things aren't the best things about HDS lights.The beam profile is great &my Rotary when on full power lights up a very big area.I also own a well known companies EDC light rated at 270 lumen on max,well my rotary blows this light away.I do own a thrower but the light thats in my pocket now is one of my HDS lights.The UI is great,they're bomb proof & the warranty is second to none.

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    Default Re: What makes HDS lights so good? Low lumens & quite expensive for their size.

    For me.. owner of two HDS 170T Clicky (just a matter oftime before I place another order).

    Ergonomics (Excellent)
    Size (Perfect)
    Lumens (Good enough)
    Low-Low (Excellent)
    Runtime (Good enough)
    Cost (Reasonable)
    Quality (Excellent)
    Duarability (Excellent)
    Weight (Heavy)
    Assecories, clips, rubber buttons etc: (Not many options)
    EDC (Really good)
    Spare parts (from HDS, great)
    User friendly (customisation, very appreciated)

    Overall: 4.5 out of 5.What would make it a 5? GITD button as option or available (or orange, blueetc), titanium version run again, and somewhat more lumens or longer runtime.

    For me the HDS have been my EDC the last 1,5 years. Have bought and looked at many 1xCR123A flashlights but HDS has always triumphed. Its just so perfect for me. Everything can break, everything can be improved but so far the HDS is my all time favourite light. Have had many lights, and sold most of them. But HDS is a real keeper! And I appreciate the smallscale of Henrys business compared to larger companies. He is one of those persons with great enthusiasm andknowledge of something I feel happy to support.
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    Default Re: What makes HDS lights so good? Low lumens & quite expensive for their size.

    I had wondered this as well. Might have to get one as my next edc.

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    Default Re: What makes HDS lights so good? Low lumens & quite expensive for their size.

    You can read all you want about them and I did. After a long time I finally ordered the 120. I have used it daily for over a year now. It is a light that you have to have to really appreciate. The low level is amazing and it can be set up however you want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeymoto View Post
    I have a rotary however I prefer the simplicity of the clicky.
    The Rotary is every bit as simple as the Clicky, and in fact can be programmed to work exactly like a Clicky. The only difference is that one of the presets can be assigned to the dial which gives you quick access to the full range of levels. After using the Rotary, I could never go back to the Clicky.

    One benefit of the Roptary is that you can hand the light off to someone and they will be able to operate it with only minimal instructions (i.e. "Press the button to turn it on and off; twist the dial to adjust the brightness."). The Clicky, on the other hand, is not immediately intuitive and can remain inscrutible even after an explanation and quick demo. It got to the point that my wife would ask me to turn it on to the appropriate level before handing it to her. With the Rotary, I just hand it to her, and she sets it to the level she wants, so if you want simplicity and ease of use, it's hard to beat the Rotary.

    Now if only Henry would get my high CRI Rotary in the mail!
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    Default Re: What makes HDS lights so good? Low lumens & quite expensive for their size.

    After 8 long years, I'm about to find out. 200 Rotary should be here in a few days. I am not entirely up to date on current offerings, but in response to what someone else mentioned on page 1...are Jetbeam and SWM really offering 1xCR123 with 400+ actual OTF lumens?
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    Default Re: What makes HDS lights so good? Low lumens & quite expensive for their size.

    Quote Originally Posted by Oztorchfreak View Post
    What is the deal with HDS flashlights?
    Here are a few hundred posts on the subject which may help -
    Why are HDS (RA) lights so popular?
    HDS RA-owners: please explain why it is so good!

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    John Galt,

    I tested my Olight i1 EOS on 2 Surefire CR123's. On both medium and high it maintained its brightness without dimming at at all. I did not do it on low which is rated at 72hrs on 4 lumens. But I willdo that next. I am very pleased with this little lights performance in maintaining its brightness. But this is about HDS lol..

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    Default Re: What makes HDS lights so good? Low lumens & quite expensive for their size.

    I like the originals so much, I can't bring myself to spend money on one of the new models.
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    Default Re: What makes HDS lights so good? Low lumens & quite expensive for their size.

    1. Battery protection
    2. 4 programmable levels
    3. Rugged construction
    4. Pottted electronics.

    These are the features I want, so HDS is what I carry.

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    Default Re: What makes HDS lights so good? Low lumens & quite expensive for their size.

    6 years carrying HDS lights for work (U60XR, U60XRGT, U60GT, U60, CLICKY 140T, TWISTY 85TR), using at least 10 times a day, dropped, frozen, got dirty and the only problem I had was with the twisty and it got fixed quickly by Henry. I tried several other brands (surefire, 4sevens, olight, nitecore, liteflux, swm, fenix, etc...) and even if some are great lights, I always come back to my trusty HDS...

    Don't get fooled by lumen numbers, 140 lumens is a lot of light in pitch black and it's really not that far from 200 in the eye perception...
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    Default Re: What makes HDS lights so good? Low lumens & quite expensive for their size.

    Quote Originally Posted by spc smith View Post
    John Galt,

    I tested my Olight i1 EOS on 2 Surefire CR123's. On both medium and high it maintained its brightness without dimming at at all. I did not do it on low which is rated at 72hrs on 4 lumens. But I willdo that next. I am very pleased with this little lights performance in maintaining its brightness. But this is about HDS lol..
    Perhaps not visually, but then, the human eye is quite poor at telling you what is actually going on. But the fact remains, if you look at the run time graphs for 99% of th eother lights out there, you will see they all have a period of initially high output [which can, and often does last for 45+ minutes], followed by a steady drop-off to a much lower output as the batteries fail to deliver the juice necessary ot maintain that original level of output.

    To the contrary, HDS's [after their initial burst output] maintain a steady output for as long as is possible, then drop to a level that is able to be maintained at a steady output, and so on and so-forth until the battery is no longer capable of powering the light at all.


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    To the OP. I own currently, 3 HDS's, a 100 High CRI, a 170 tactical and my B42XR replacement, my 140n [with XP-E].

    I have tried other lights. I even recently branched into the custon lights, discussing with our resident modder and genius Milkyspit. I talked back and forth with him for weeks, hammered out exactly the light I was looking for... More output, more runtime, more throw, durable, simple and easy to use... And I got all of that in an excellent, wonderful light. But even with a 1 cell body, my Expurgator cannot even now replace my EDC... My 140n. It is THE best light ever designed. The pinnacle, the peak, the one by which others are judged.

    I still regularly use my Expurgator, and don't think I'll ever sell it or trade it... But my HDS is my go-anywhere, take-any-abuse light. You're right. There are lights in its class that have longer runtimes, more output, more throw, differing LED options, better clips, different user interfaces, equal customer service/warranty. But I have not yet found a light that has all of these in as effective and efficient combination.

    IF your interest has been piqued, please feel free ot order one, any model, any output. Use it for a month, a week, a day. But use it. If at the end of that period, you still don't see the point, sell it... You will only lose a few dollars on your investment, which is much more than can be said of other brands. And you will have a chance to experience the genius of the lights.
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    Default Re: What makes HDS lights so good? Low lumens & quite expensive for their size.

    I own several versions of HDS lights and can tell you that they are 100% reliable and easy on batteries. If you could only have one light (don't recommend that!) make it an HDS. Reliable, strong, long lasting.... they *work.*

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    John Galt,

    Yes you are right in every way, but they are quite expensive. And $200 dollars for any light is just out of the budget no matter what the light can do or take. I'm sure it is of fine workmanship though=)

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    Default Re: What makes HDS lights so good? Low lumens & quite expensive for their size.

    Quote Originally Posted by spc smith View Post
    John Galt,

    ...$200 dollars for any light is just out of the budget no matter what the light can do or take.
    A 120 lumen clicky can be purchased for $99.
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    Oooo, reading this thread makes me itchy for one again. So far have resisted as there is a 6 week waiting period and there is a $40 shipping fee to oz, I hope that means its an express courier!

    One thing I don't really understand is the price difference between the 120 lumen version for $99 and the 200 lumen version for $199. The rest of the light is the same?

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    Default Re: What makes HDS lights so good? Low lumens & quite expensive for their size.

    "One thing I don't really understand is the price difference between the 120 lumen version for $99 and the 200 lumen version for $199. The rest of the light is the same?"

    The 200 Lumen version uses the XP-G, 120 lumen version uses the Osram Golden Dragon. The rest of the light is exactly the same. I have both and like both...Personally I think the 120 is one of the best deals going in the flashlight world. There are even some available at Battery Station right now...not sure if they ship to Australia...
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    Default Re: What makes HDS lights so good? Low lumens & quite expensive for their size.

    Quote Originally Posted by thaugen View Post
    "One thing I don't really understand is the price difference between the 120 lumen version for $99 and the 200 lumen version for $199. The rest of the light is the same?"

    The 200 Lumen version uses the XP-G, 120 lumen version uses the Osram Golden Dragon. The rest of the light is exactly the same. I have both and like both...Personally I think the 120 is one of the best deals going in the flashlight world. There are even some available at Battery Junction right now...not sure if they ship to Australia...
    Ah thanks kindly for the info, will check out bj!

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    Sorry...I meant to say Battery Station, not Battery Junction...

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    I watched one of our fellow CPF members turn his HDS on and throw it repeatedly against concrete and a brick pillar. It was a little beat up but still worked fine. He wasn't being easy on it either. It was my first experience with a HDS and I must say that I was very impressed by the shear abuse that it shrugged off right in front of my eyes. I do not own one myself but after seeing this I think I'll have to clear some funds..
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    The other day I was running late and I was looking for my Rotary and I remembered that I had thrown it on the bed. I pulled the covers back quickly and my HDS flew across the room(about 15ft) and landed on the wood floor. I checked to make sure the floor was ok then I picked up my HDS and left. Later I inspected the light and there was not a single mark and of course it works perfectly.

    The light is built built like a tank and you can feel it when you hold the light. On top of being built like a tank the light is built to high tolerances and it shows. The rotary dial is silky smooth yet tactile. The attention to detail and finish is impressive. Every part of the light seems well thought out. Then there is the UI. It is super versatile with a lot of special features that can be enabled or disabled such as momentary, locator beacon, burst and memory to name a few.
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    Default Re: What makes HDS lights so good? Low lumens & quite expensive for their size.

    Just the perfect EDC light IMHO. Hard for me to imagine a light I'd rather have on me 24/7.

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    Default Re: What makes HDS lights so good? Low lumens & quite expensive for their size.

    I have my first HDS lights on orders....must be patient....

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    I really like everything about what HDS does except for its die-hard dedication to the 123 batt format. The most important thing in a flashlight for me is AA battery compatibility with my other portable electronic devices, which greatly simplifies chargers/spares, and gives many back-up power options like two-way cannibalization and store bought; alkaline and NiMh are just bonus chemistries not available to 123s. If I need outright power, 14500s are even better than 16340s, while still retaining one-way cannibalization options.

    If Henry ever decides to do something in a AA (esp. 1xAA) I'd be there is a second. Until then, looks like the foreign companies will earn my FL $$.

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    I LOVE my 200l rotary. The UI is amazing and love being able to set it up the way I like. Only took me about 15 min to "master" the programming once I put the book down. The size is also perfect IMO. The one thing I would change about it, and it doesn't even bother me at all, is the knurling on the batt. tube. It appears to be the same as the knurling on the body, but it's not nearly as grippy. I also like how easy it looks to mod when the time comes. The thing looks as bright or possibly brighter with a used cell than my 260l Malkoff M60-Q5 with new cell, only without that awesome hotspot and crazy throw. Still, I am impressed by it's throw and output considering the seemingly low rating.
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    Default Re: What makes HDS lights so good? Low lumens & quite expensive for their size.

    I forgot to mention the tactical strobe. I have always found em to be a gimmick and undesirable, but I actually set it as my option "D" on this light because it actually disorients like you always read it is suppose to do.
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    Party Re: What makes HDS lights so good? Low lumens & quite expensive for their size.

    I bought a 120E from Battery Station recently...just to see what the fuss was all about. Can I just say WOW. This light is awesome! It says 120 lumens, but I'm pretty sure it's more. I'm beginning the Great Sell-off of a bunch of other lights to fund another HDS. That's how much I like this light. Great build quality, great output, feels great in the hand...I could go on, but you get the idea. All I can say is GET ONE!

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    Why don't they make a model that takes a standard AA?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidMB
    Why don't they make a model that takes a standard AA?
    Because Henry doesn't want to.

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    Default Re: What makes HDS lights so good? Low lumens & quite expensive for their size.

    Quote Originally Posted by nbp View Post
    Because Henry doesn't want to.

    Probably because it would have a very short runtime!!!
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