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    Hi all,

    This is now a 100% pure sale thread as I have all parts on me to construct the drop-ins and post (hopefully) within a week. I've left all my original disclaimer text below for the curious. I have 11 drop-ins left for sale and will be runing abig epoxy batch this weekend so get in now for faster delivery!

    This pre-sale is the result of an interest thread which this thread replaces.

    I want to get the nitty gritty out of the way first. I like to be honest and up front about everything I do so please read the following carefully!

    This is my first manufacture and sale thread anywhere. As such I don’t have the reputation of some people here, but we all need to start somewhere. I may do things a little differently than others in order to make this as easy as possible for not only you, but for me as well. I want to keep things simple so that I don’t get in over my head, and I want to make sure people get exactly what they paid for. Because of this I am limiting the first run to 50 CNC'd parts. (Upped from 40 just in case.)

    With the above in mind here are some details regarding the financial side of this sale:

    What do you mean by pre-sale? You pay up front for goods and by doing so your order is guaranteed or you get 100% of your money back – yes, any money lost due to transaction and exchange rate fees will come from my own pocket. More details on this later.

    Why do you need the money up front? Because these drop-ins have configurable drivers and optics not all are created equal. As much as I would love to be able to purchase enough drivers, optics and 7135 chips to cover all possible configurations, I simply can’t afford to do that. As a result orders are built to specification and I want to know people that have ordered a drop-in are serious about it.

    What if you’re a bad man and you don’t give me what I paid for? I will not accept money via any other means than PayPal and as such you are covered by buyer protection. I certainly do not envisage ever having to go through this process.

    So if we pay up front, how long until I can expect to get the good stuff? As already mentioned, orders are built to specification. The CNC order will not be placed until at least 15 payments have been received. This is not because I need the money to order the run, but rather a small guarantee to myself that I don't end up with 20+ P60 blanks and nothing to use them with! It then comes down to CNC turnaround time - this will take no longer than two weeks and I aim to start shipping drop-ins as they are completed, taking no longer than a further 2 weeks in total from the date of material attainment.

    Finally, other than the P60 blanks, these drop-ins are hand plated, soldered, pieced together and packed. I’m telling you this as I am only human and small delays can happen, so please keep this in mind. Thanks!

    If you’re still with me, here’s the good stuff!

    I am selling Triple Nichia based P60 Drop-ins.


    These drop-ins use Nichia SW45B10L 219 emitters. The data sheet for these beauties can be found here. The emitters are the highest bin, and lowest voltage available. If you want to know what all the fuss is about I suggest you read this thread.

    The P60 drop-in itself is professionally CNC machined from pure copper, and electroplated in silver to aid with thermal conductivity to the host. The examples below were hand machined to test critical measurements and the electroplating process only. They are 99% indicative of the final product.





    I am offering you a choice of one of five Carclo optics: Narrow Clear (10507), Frosted Narrow (10511), Medium Frosted (10508), Frosted Wide(10509) and Elliptical (10510).

    Beam shots of each are below. Please note the distance to the wall is 1 meter and each emitter is being driven at 1.5A (high). There is no tint shift at 1.5A - the wall is simply better lit. For more information regarding current versus tint shift please see vinhnguyen54's tests.



    Backyard beam shots showing real world differences between the different optics.

    When comparing the optics I find it best to look at the detail in the objects on the edges of the photos to determine what the beam is like, especially the tree in the upper right hand corner. It is roughly 2m forward of the shed.



    Because of the design of these drop ins the optics are very easy to swap out. You can purchase additional optics from me at $2 per optic.

    The drop-ins will be manufactured using high temperature silicone wire with Arctic Alumina Ceramic used throughout. A sheet of silver foil to help with fit and heat sinking in your host is also included and the drop-ins are a guaranteed fit in Surefire hosts. I don't have any other brands available to test these in yet. If the drop-in does not fit in your host I will gladly refund you your money in return for the drop in, so long as it is still in as new condition.

    I’ve left the driver until last because you have some choice here. I am offering 2 drivers.

    - Both drivers are configurable between 380mA and 4560mA in increments of 380mA.
    - The LEDs will be driven in parallel and as such the current being supplied to each individual LED is 1/3 of the driver total current.
    - Both drivers will be thermally potted internally to help keep them cool and your current up!
    - Both drivers are PWM driven.

    The rest of the driver details are as follows:

    ****Driver 1****

    Input voltage 2.8V to 6V1
    Reverse polarity protection
    Low voltage protection
    Multimode all with memory (your choice):

    L/M/H/Strobe/SOS
    L/H/Strobe
    L/M/H
    L/H

    Drive levels: 5% 30% and 100%


    ****Driver 2****

    Input voltage 2.5V to 4.5V1
    No Reverse polarity protection
    Low voltage protection
    Multimode with or without memory (your choice):

    L/M/H/L/M/H/Aux0/Aux1/Aux2/Aux3
    H/M/L/H/M/L/Aux0/Aux1/Aux2/Aux3
    H/M
    H/Aux0
    M/H/Aux1
    H/M/Aux1
    L/M/H
    H/M/L

    where Aux0 = 10Hz Strobe, Aux1 = 2Hz Blink, Aux2 = SOS, Aux3 = Beacon


    Drive levels: 0.16% (firefly) OR 1.6% (moonlight) and then 30% and 100%.

    ****Single Mode****

    Just specify your desired drive current.


    At the full 4.5A these drop-ins are theoretically capable of over 1100 emitter lumens2 of 92+ CRI light.


    The asking price is
    $125USD to all international customers.
    $120USD to Australian based customers.
    Both prices include shipping and handling.
    Additional services are available at added cost. Please PM me if you want to add anything like tracking, insurance or registration.

    !!! P60 DROP-IN BLANKS3 are available for $50 with silver electroplating and $40 without. The prices include shipping. !!!


    Payment is to be made to modern69messiah{at}gmail{dot}com. Please include in your payment your CPF username and details of your order including:

    (1) Your driver preference*
    (2) Your mode preference (including memory if applicable)
    (3) Your drive level preference (total, not per emitter)
    (4) Your optic preference (including any additional optics)

    * Please note that when ordering Driver 2 you must specify if you want the firefly or moonlight version of the driver. If you do not specify it I won’t start building your order until I can confirm exactly what you want.

    ***
    EXAMPLE DETAILS INCLUDED IN PAYPAL ORDER NOTES:

    CPF Handle: Mattaus
    1x Driver 2 (Moonlight) H/M/L @ 4.5A no memory 10507
    1x Driver 1 L/M/H @ 3A 10508
    1x 10511 optic
    1x Silver Blank P60 Drop-in
    Total: $302
    ***


    Feel free to include these details in this thread as well if you wish, but the PayPal notes are how I will keep track of paid orders so it's critical that the details are included there firstly. You don't have to write your order as I have above - just as long as all the information is in there I'm happy!

    A list is below for forum members who want a drop-in and already includes those that showed interest previously and have pre-paid already. Once your name is on the list you have reserved the right to a drop-in, however if you take too long to pay (and I will obviously contact you about it) and cannot pay within a reasonable amount of time your place will be lost to someone else. This should only become a problem as the list gets close to full. Once payment is received your name will be marked as so and nothing can take that away from you! Other than you of course

    Thanks for looking and if you have any questions, comments or concerns please feel free to ask below or via PM.

    Thanks!

    - Matt

    Notes:
    1 It is best to keep Vin as close to Vf as possible, with approximately 0.2V overhead.
    2 Please note that out the front (OTF) lumens are approximately 30% less than this.
    3 The wire hole for these blanks is centrally located. Not so good for Lux-RC modules or boards with off-set holes.



    Paid and Available List (ALL GONE - 2 on 'hold')

    1) mvyrmnd Driver 2 (Moonlight) L/M/H/L/M/H/Aux0/Aux1/Aux2/Aux3 no memory @4.18A 10507 10509 Shipped

    2) Psychbeats Driver 1 LO/HI @3.8A 10507
    Shipped

    3) OtisCampbell Driver 2 (Moonlight) L/M/H @4.2A no memory 10507 10511 10508 10509
    Shipped

    4) CarpentryHero Driver 2 (firefly) L/M/H @4.5A no memory 10511
    Shipped

    5) easilyled Driver 2 (Moonlight) L/M/H memory @3.04A: 10507 Shipped

    6) Henk Lu Driver 1 L/M/H @4.18A 10511

    7) red_hackle Driver 2 (Moonlight) L/M/H No Memory @2.66A 10511
    Shipped

    8) Not So Bright Driver 1 L/M/H @4.18A 10507 Shipped

    9) and 10) BarryH Driver 1 L/M/H @4.18A 10507 10508 10509 10510 10511 + Plated Blank P60

    11) Nfetterly Driver 1 L/M/H @4.18A 10507 10511 10508 Shipped

    12) F250XLT Driver 2 (Moonlight) L/M/H @4.18A no memory 10507 10511 10508 10509 Shipped

    13) Tain Driver 2 (Moonlight) L/M/H/L/M/H/Aux0/Aux1/Aux2/Aux3 no memory @3.04A 10507 10508 10509 10510 10511

    14) Mikis Driver 2 H/M @3A memory 10507 10508

    15) ace0001a Driver 1 @3A L/M/H 10507 Shipped

    16) Benson Driver 2 (Moonlight) H/M/L @4.5A no memory 10510 10507 Shipped

    17) firefighterb Driver 1 L/M/H/Strobe/SOS @4.5A 10507 Shipped

    18) tjhabak Driver 1 L/M/H @3.8A 10507 10511 10508 Shipped

    19) kyhunter1 Driver 1 @3.8A (single mode) 10507 Shipped

    20) PoliceScannerMan Driver 2 (Moonlight) L/M/H no memory @4.18A 10511 10507 10509
    Shipped

    21) badtziscool Driver 1 L/M/H @4.5A 10507

    22) kaien Driver 1 L/M/H @3A 10509 10511 10507

    23) and 24) Goldy Driver 1 L/M/H/Strobe/SOS @4.5A 10508 Driver 2 (Moonlight) L/M/H @4.18A memory 10507
    Shipped

    25) FPSRelic Driver 1 L/M/H @3.04A 10507
    Shipped

    26) and 27) ^^Nova^^
    Driver 2 (Moonlight) @4.18A L/M/H/L/M/H/Aux0/Aux1/Aux2/Aux3 memory 10511 10507 + Unplated Blank P60 Shipped

    28) Duglum Driver 2 (Monlight) L/M/H @ 4.5A no memory 10507 10511

    29) Obijuan Kenobe Driver 2 (Moonlight) L/M/H @4.18A memory 10507
    Shipped

    30) Chesterqw Driver 1 L/M/H @4.5A 10507 Shipped

    31) Daekar Driver 1 L/M/H 2.66A 10511 10507 10509 Shipped

    32) Toytank Driver 2 Firefly L/M/H/L/M/H/Aux0/Aux1/Aux2/Aux3 no memory @3.42 A 10507 10509 Shipped

    33) KingCow Driver 1 L/M/H @3.42A 10509 10507 10508 10510
    Shipped

    34) mohanjude
    Driver 1 H/M/L @4.5A 10507 10511 10509 10510 Shipped

    35) and 36) Flucero28 2x Copper Blank
    Shipped

    37) flashfiend Driver 1 L/M/H @3.8A 10507 10510
    Shipped

    38) dbleznak Driver 2 (Moonlight) L/M/H @4.5A 10507
    Shipped

    39) Mike D. Single mode @3.8A 10507
    Shipped

    40) akajimmy Driver 1 L/M/H @3.04A 10507 10508 Shipped

    41) darkangel55555(CPFMP) Single Mode 4.5A 10507 10511 10507 10509
    Shipped

    42) and 43) TheTest 2x Un-plated Copper Blanks Shipped

    44) My brother.

    45) thatspec Driver 1 L/M/H @3.8A 10507 10508


    46) nbjly Driver 2 Firefly L/M/H 4.18A no memory 10507

    47) flat-ray
    Driver 2 Moonlight L/M/H 10507 10508
    Shipped

    48) Illumination Driver 2 Moonlight L/M/H @4.18A 105011 10507 10508 10509 10510

    49) and 50) on hold.
    Last edited by Mattaus; 06-10-2012 at 11:00 PM. Reason: Adding names man!

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    Default Re: Nichia SW45B10L 219 Triple P60 Drop-in Expressions of interest

    Count me in...keep me posted!

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    Default Re: Nichia SW45B10L 219 Triple P60 Drop-in Expressions of interest

    Heck yeah.

    For what it's worth my preference would be L/M/H at maximum drive current with the Carclo optics that would maximize throw.

    Just out of curiosity is the M 30% of high? I've had 20% and 30% medium levels on triples, the 30% ones I generally stop on medium.

    Keep me posted too!

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    Default Re: Nichia SW45B10L 219 Triple P60 Drop-in Expressions of interest

    Quote Originally Posted by Silgt View Post
    Count me in...keep me posted!
    Thanks. I certainly plan on keeping everyone very informed.

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    Default Re: Nichia SW45B10L 219 Triple P60 Drop-in Expressions of interest

    Quote Originally Posted by nfetterly View Post
    Just out of curiosity is the M 30% of high? I've had 20% and 30% medium levels on triples, the 30% ones I generally stop on medium.
    You're in luck - 5%, 30% and 100% :-)

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    Default Re: Nichia SW45B10L 219 Triple P60 Drop-in Expressions of interest

    With those L/M/H levels, you have my interest!

    PM me for pre-sale, I may forget to check back

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    Default Re: Nichia SW45B10L 219 Triple P60 Drop-in Expressions of interest

    Quote Originally Posted by S1LVA View Post
    PM me for pre-sale, I may forget to check back
    Haha I'll try and remember myself!

    EDIT: I started a list to keep track of interested people. I have no set upper limit with this, so it's not to keep people's 'place in the queue' but rather an easier way to remember who was after a drop-in without having to go through the entire thread again. Hopefully it's helpful!
    Last edited by Mattaus; 04-24-2012 at 04:16 AM.

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    Default Re: Nichia SW45B10L 219 Triple P60 Drop-in Expressions of interest

    I take it that you mean OTF output will be 70% of the theoretical figure of 1100 lumens at 1.5A per emitter rather than 70% less!
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    Default Re: Nichia SW45B10L 219 Triple P60 Drop-in Expressions of interest

    I can't wait to get my first dropin with the Nichia 219 to see myself how great it really is!

    As I'm pretty sure it'll please me, I post my interest here!

    Easyled is right, if an optic would eat 70% of the output, we wouldn't want any optics...
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    Default Re: Nichia SW45B10L 219 Triple P60 Drop-in Expressions of interest

    you have my interest for a L/M/H @4.5a also.
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    Default Re: Nichia SW45B10L 219 Triple P60 Drop-in Expressions of interest

    I'd be interested.
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    Default Re: Nichia SW45B10L 219 Triple P60 Drop-in Expressions of interest

    Sounds like a quality piece. I prefer copper over brass or aluminum. What do you expect the manufacturing lead time to be? I should have my hands on a drop in with the same emitter this week then I'll decide.

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    Default Re: Nichia SW45B10L 219 Triple P60 Drop-in Expressions of interest

    Quote Originally Posted by easilyled View Post
    I take it that you mean OTF output will be 70% of the theoretical figure of 1100 lumens at 1.5A per emitter rather than 70% less!
    Ergh....that's what I get for updating a post while watching Game of Thrones. Fixed!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by ToyTank View Post
    Sounds like a quality piece. I prefer copper over brass or aluminum.
    My design is certainly a very solid chunk of copper. It's also designed to fit directly into Surefire hosts without any spacers or springs. The heat sink is also designed to just have enough room for the driver in the base again providing more filled volume. I have only a small amount of experience with other drop-ins but with mine the idea is that there is almost no wasted space. Basically the entire volume of the head is filled giving greater dissipation of heat.

    I'm busy hand machining some examples so I can get some photos up before pre-sale, though they will likely be emitter-less because parts take a while to get to me unfortunately. They're on the way, but I don't expect them for a few weeks :-( In addition I have typically thought of something better after I machined all the copper I had on me so the final design will differ, but be much better. I'll make sure I detail the changes extensively.

    Quote Originally Posted by ToyTank View Post
    What do you expect the manufacturing lead time to be?
    When I put in some requests for quotes a while back I was told 2 weeks. As I mentioned in the original post CNC lathe work is volume dependent. I doubt I'll have such a big order that it pushes that time out though. When I hopefully go through with this I'll provide an estimated shipping date and do everything in my power to meet that date. Please remember this is my first attempt at manufacture and sale and while I'm very confident I'll get this going without issues, you never know what lies around the corner! Just need to cover my bases and not make promises I can't keep. Hopefully you understand

    Thanks,

    - Matt
    Last edited by Mattaus; 04-24-2012 at 02:34 PM.

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    I'm definitely interested, but I would like to see a prototype or even test samples, but probably most importantly would be beamshots. I know there's a bunch of pics on the nichia pic thread, but we still don't know how the beam looks like behind something like a carclo optic that was designed for xpe/xpg. The die does sit a little lower than an xpg so that might affect the light pattern emitted from the optic.
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    Default Re: Nichia SW45B10L 219 Triple P60 Drop-in Expressions of interest

    Quote Originally Posted by badtziscool View Post
    I'm definitely interested, but I would like to see a prototype or even test samples, but probably most importantly would be beamshots. I know there's a bunch of pics on the nichia pic thread, but we still don't know how the beam looks like behind something like a carclo optic that was designed for xpe/xpg. The die does sit a little lower than an xpg so that might affect the light pattern emitted from the optic.
    Agreed. Like I said my emitters are on the way but seen as I am in Australia they could take some time to get to me so I'm not sure I could get beam shots up anytime soon. What I will do however is pressure some people I know that will get them sooner than me into providing some sample shots. I'll keep you posted and add anything I get to the first post.

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    Default Re: Nichia SW45B10L 219 Triple P60 Drop-in Expressions of interest

    I would be interested on one.

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    Default Re: Nichia SW45B10L 219 Triple P60 Drop-in Expressions of interest

    I'm also interested. L/M/H 4.5A
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    Default Re: Nichia SW45B10L 219 Triple P60 Drop-in Expressions of interest

    Quote Originally Posted by easilyled View Post
    I'm also interested. L/M/H 4.5A
    No worries. I obviously saw your earlier post but don't want to add people unless they expressly claim interest. Some people can be a bit 'funny' that way haha.

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    Default Re: Nichia SW45B10L 219 Triple P60 Drop-in Expressions of interest

    im VERY interested

    one ? are these direct to copper or on a star?

    Id want lo/hi or hi/lo 4.5a

    lookin cool!
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    Default Re: Nichia SW45B10L 219 Triple P60 Drop-in Expressions of interest

    Quote Originally Posted by psychbeat View Post
    are these direct to copper or on a star?
    Unfortuantely direct to copper is a bit beyond me at the moment, so these are on a star. The fit will be tight and I'm using very good thermal paste so I'm sure heat dissipation won't be an issue.

    Quote Originally Posted by psychbeat View Post
    Id want lo/hi or hi/lo 4.5a
    I can't do H/L with the drivers listed in the original post, but I could H/M and H/M/L with some other drivers. The only problem is that the 2nd drivers don't have reverse polarity protection and only accept up to 4.5V. The 2nd drivers can also be configured with or without memory though. Levels on the 2nd driver are 2-5mA on low, then 35% and 100%.

    Maybe I should offer those as well? I'll finish cleaning my car and add it as an option I think.

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    Default Re: Nichia SW45B10L 219 Triple P60 Drop-in Expressions of interest

    Quote Originally Posted by Mattaus View Post
    I'll finish cleaning my car and add it as an option I think.

    - Matt
    My car needs a wash too - I'll take that as an option (hmm, having a hard time with the smilies....)

    Man I spent 10 minutes looking for the optic taking up 70% of the output - glad you clarified that.

    My experience with triples & quads have been - real WALL of light, so much light you end up with reasonable throw. The XP-E triple that I picked up had reasonably good throw due mainly to die size (& optic somewhat). Beam shots can be a little difficult, this isn't P7 / MC-E wall of light (don't have a SST-90 so cannot comment on that), we're generally talking WALL OF LIGHT.

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    Default Re: Nichia SW45B10L 219 Triple P60 Drop-in Expressions of interest

    I'm interested.

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    Default Re: Nichia SW45B10L 219 Triple P60 Drop-in Expressions of interest

    i am interested
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    Default Re: Nichia SW45B10L 219 Triple P60 Drop-in Expressions of interest

    Quote Originally Posted by nfetterly View Post
    My experience with triples & quads have been - real WALL of light, so much light you end up with reasonable throw. The XP-E triple that I picked up had reasonably good throw due mainly to die size (& optic somewhat). Beam shots can be a little difficult, this isn't P7 / MC-E wall of light (don't have a SST-90 so cannot comment on that), we're generally talking WALL OF LIGHT.
    Agreed. I think even though I'm offering Narrow Clear, Narrow Frosted, Frosted Medium, Frosted Wide, and Elliptical, most people will opt for the narrow in either frosted or clear. These optics would provide the tightest beam but still much more floody than a single LED and lens combination. Any other optic will likely just look almost like pure flood. I will have beam shots of all before I start selling them, unless people are pretty much universally chasing the same optics.

    Original post updated to reflect alternate driver and new names added to the interest list.

    Thanks!

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    Default Re: Nichia SW45B10L 219 Triple P60 Drop-in Expressions of interest

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    When I put in some requests for quotes a while back I was told 2 weeks. As I mentioned in the original post CNC lathe work is volume dependent. I doubt I'll have such a big order that it pushes that time out though. When I hopefully go through with this I'll provide an estimated shipping date and do everything in my power to meet that date. Please remember this is my first attempt at manufacture and sale and while I'm very confident I'll get this going without issues, you never know what lies around the corner! Just need to cover my bases and not make promises I can't keep. Hopefully you understand

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    - Matt
    Thanks for such a thoughtful answer. I was just looking for a rough estimate I didn't intend to paint you in a corner.

    I'm certainly curious about this drop in and will be watching thanks!

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    Default Re: Nichia SW45B10L 219 Triple P60 Drop-in Expressions of interest

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    Thanks for such a thoughtful answer. I was just looking for a rough estimate I didn't intend to paint you in a corner.

    I'm certainly curious about this drop in and will be watching thanks!
    Haha no worries! I'm glad you asked something I had the answer to. I'm scared someone is going to ask something I can't . What that could be I don't know yet...

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    Alright! matt is getting the emitters from me, so he asked me for some optics shots!

    Here I come with my haphazard testing rig - and yes those heatsinks are balancing dangerously on that pole.




    10508 vs 10507



    this is run at 750mA (all leds in series)


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    That 10507 optic really concentrates the beam ... I'd prefer that one.
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    Default Re: Nichia SW45B10L 219 Triple P60 Drop-in Expressions of interest

    Thanks Craig! I put a copy of the beam shots in the first post if that's OK?

    I will probably take some beam shots at full power as well (for all optic types) when I get my initial order of Nichia's. I wish I had paid for express shipping now

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