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    Quote Originally Posted by HighlanderNorth View Post
    I just got a Zebralight SC600 and a 3100mah Eagletac 18650 battery to go with it. But my 1st LED flashlight was my Jetbeam BC-10. It runs on one Cr123. It has a Cree XPG-R5 LED, which has a very small diameter emitter, which gives it a big advantage in the throw department vs the XM-L. A smaller LED emitter will throw farther in the same size reflector. The XP-G is so small compared to the XM-L, that it will throw a lot father in a smaller diameter reflector! Usually you hear that you need a larger diameter reflector for better throw, but the XP-G is so small it doesnt need that big a reflector.

    So anyway, even though the ZL SC600 has an XM-L and a 50% larger reflector and over 500lu, my BC-10 still out throws it! The BC-10 has a much more refined beam, including more refined, more concentrated hot spot.

    BC-10 only has 2 modes, and they are VERY simple to operate. You simply turn the bezel a little to go from low(30lu) to high(270lu). It has a rear clicky switch with on/off or momentary. On low it lasts 18 hours with 30lu, and high(270lu) lasts about 1.5 hours. I use Titanium Innovations CR123's, and only pay $1 apiece for them, and one of them lasts me over 3 months in the BC-10. So that about .30 cents per month!

    But the BC-10 also has much thicker anodizing, which is much tougher than the SC600's, which is thin. The BC-10 is also about 1" shorter, about 1/2 the weight, and 3mm thinner. But it is built tough and fairly thick.

    The greatest thing though is that the BC-10 costs only $38.90, whereas my SC600 was $95! I've had my BC-10 in my pocket every day for 5 months, with my keys and change, and it still has 99.5% of its anodizing on it! I've dropped it onto concrete from 15 feet, and it didnt do squat....

    It's difficult to find many single CR123 lights that go up to 270 lumens on high. There are a few new XM-L lights that run on a 123, and they go up to 400+ lumens, but have half the battery life of the BC-10, or less than half, and the BC-10 still will out throw them!

    So I honestly think the Jetbeam BC-10 should be the 1st light everyone buys, and maybe the next light everyone buys! I now have 4 different top quality LED lights, and I will buy more, but I can guarantee you that the BC-10 will be the one I use 95% of the time! Its the most portable and useful by far! Plus its cheap.....

    Quite frankly I appreciate your enthusiasm for your BC10. Mine has grown on me quite a lot in the relatively short time I've owned it.
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    The size ot the trits are 1.5x6mm and they came preinstaled in a drilled cooling fin from Steve Ku. The trits are held in place with cut pieces of o-ring.
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    I just checked out the B-10 and it's power, run time and UI look real good but...

    I haven't found anything to match my MiniX123 in terms of size to usable light ratio. It's 2/3 the size of the B-10 but has significantly more than 2/3 the performance (210 lumens for 1 hour). I carry it on my keychain and don't even notice it's there. For me I want something ultra compact and powerful (miniX123 can't be beat so far) or something that has stupendous power than can be pocketed without being obtrusive (there may be better lights out there but the performance to size ratio of the SC600 is pretty attractive).
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    I have been thinking about a BC10 for awhile. It's throw and output on RCRs very much intrigues me. Check out Selfbuilt's review for the numbers.

    What I wonder is how the Klarus and Lumintop P1Cs compare? The Lumintop has a bigger head and should throw better...IF it shares the BC10s incredible output on RCRs. Anyone know?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hook63 View Post
    The bc-10 has less lux then the sc600 according to selfbuilt's reviews.
    Not if you install a 3.7v cell. Of course, it's runtime goes waaaaaaay down and it will run HOT!
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    "I really don't get how extreme throw is of any real use except maybe on a weapon or to impress your pals."

    And that's why there are so many different flashlights made...different strokes for different folks! I say, buy 'em all at least once.
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    Since I found that the Maratac I've been carrying on my key ring has a parasitic draw, .... the V10R is back on the key ring!

    I sure wish I could afford a Titan! .... May be next month! ... .........................................

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel Sanders View Post
    Not if you install a 3.7v cell. Of course, it's runtime goes waaaaaaay down and it will run HOT!
    It is is more impressive with an rcr but I haven't seen where they say you can run it. I'm still thinking of getting one.

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    For years I carried a olight t10. If I had any complaints it was that it was not built to tail stand. Recently I picked up the jetbeam RRT-01 and am liking it a lot. The t10 now lives in my truck.
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    Ditto Jmantyger; LumaPower IncenDio V3U Limited Edition (XM-L T5) Neutral
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    Easily, the Jetbeam RRT-0 XM-L. It pretty much does everything I need in a pocket-sized light.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GLOCK 22
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    Great looking light you built. I'd also be interested if you could pm me the details. Would a surefire e1e body suit the job?
    what's the overall length of the light?

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    I didn't see it mentioned yet, but my Zebralight SC51 is in my pocket when the SC600 is too bulky to take along. I got one from the first batch, and it's held up well to everything that my wife, kids, and myself have thrown at it.

    Torture test: http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...t-Torture-Test

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    Quote Originally Posted by g.p. View Post
    I didn't see it mentioned yet, but my Zebralight SC51 is in my pocket when the SC600 is too bulky to take along. I got one from the first batch, and it's held up well to everything that my wife, kids, and myself have thrown at it.

    Torture test: http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...t-Torture-Test
    It's really too bad about the SC600. If they had just made it trimmer and lighter it would be just about as close to perfect as you could get (for my uses anyway).
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    Quote Originally Posted by witness View Post
    It's really too bad about the SC600. If they had just made it trimmer and lighter it would be just about as close to perfect as you could get (for my uses anyway).
    Well, to its credit, the SC600 is actually one of the smaller 18650 lights around... Maybe look at the SC60. It's probably what you are looking for. The smaller, light brother of the SC600.

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    Surefire T1A with a Hi-CRI XP-G emitter is my favorite small light. Close behind are my Lenslight Ti Mini and Mac's EDC XM-L.

    The Lenslight Mini is the only one of those that I think is woefully overlooked on CPF. It is a truly amazing light. Hi-CRI XP-G standard from the factory, adjustable beam from a Sundrop-like smooth flood to an aspheric throw, and built like a tank (I think they're built as good as HDS). There is really no other light like it and it is always fun to use. Great for photography, walking around inside or outside, and a dead-simple UI.

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    I'd love a boosted up SC60w. I love the size of the SC60 so much better than the SC600 but 260L just doesn't get it once you've tasted 750L. I don't see any reason why they couldn't do a turbo mode on the SC60 to drive the little XP-G up to +400L for a minute or two. I know they don't like to drive them out of spec but the SC60 doesn't even quite go up to spec (1.5a).

    I pocket my SC30w far more than everything else combined.
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    Mac's Custom SST-50 EDC 4500k...I love this light. Goes everywhere with me and especially work when I have to navigate through apartment complexes with little to no lighting.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MattSPL View Post
    Hi

    Great looking light you built. I'd also be interested if you could pm me the details. Would a surefire e1e body suit the job?
    what's the overall length of the light?

    Cheers
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    Quote Originally Posted by Torchaddict View Post
    Well, to its credit, the SC600 is actually one of the smaller 18650 lights around... Maybe look at the SC60. It's probably what you are looking for. The smaller, light brother of the SC600.
    Yes, but I LOVE the lumens!!!!

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    I have the jet rrt01 my only 1x 123 light i know how sad. But edc is the 1 light that some day when the boys move on.I will get custom machined beauty.Dang my mouth just started watering

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    My "favorite" light tends to vary from week-to-week. Last week it was my RRT-01. This week its my Sipik 58.

    The basic Sipik58 is a 1xAA sized zoomable budget light. It costs maybe $12, has one mode. It comes with a rather dim Osram Golden dragon LED. The spill beam is also quite narrow. It uses an aspheric lens with sliding bezel for zooming. It has a clean cylindrical design with lots of square-cut knurling.... great for pocket-carry EDC.

    Of course the stock Sipik 58 is rather useless due to one mode and dated emitter, but it makes a great project light. I made the following modifications to mine
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    1. replaced Osram Golden Dragon emitter with XM-L T6 3C 5,000k neutral emitter.
    2. replaced stock 1-mode driver with Nanjg 105c 8x7135 2.8 amp driver board with a custom programmed driver. Driver has multiple modes, 2-way ramping, and hidden strobe. Light now runs exclusively on AW IMR 14500.
    3. New driver uses an electronic switch rather than the stock clicky switch. This meant that the switch needed an isolated electrical path to the driver at the other end of the light. To accomplish this I filed a slot down the inside of the battery tube. Contact wire was soldered to the driver and then went up the slot to a contact pad at the rear of the battery tube. I rebuilt the tailcap switch mechanism with scraps of plastic sheet to use a momentary rather than the default clicky switch. I placed a separate electrical contact on the inside of the tailcap designed to touch the wire contact in the tube when the tailcap is screwed on (this was a real pain to get working). Switch now feels a lot like the switch in a Spark or Zebralight.
    4. Removed all anodizing and polished up the bare aluminum. (the default Type II anodize was looking like crap).
    5. Added copper heatsink inside pill to help dissipate heat.
    6. Added spacer so pill doesn't screw in completely and sits closer to lens in flood mode for wider spill.
    7. Filed down top of knurling on body and top of pill so sliding bezel can retract further for even wider spill.
    8. Replaced ugly orange tailcap switch with spare black tailcap switch from a Fenix.
    9. Added small plastic reflector around LED. Significantly enhances flood mode by producing a very wide diffuse hotspot while getting rid of all rings. Adds an ugly halo in spot mode, but except for white wall hunting this isn't a problem.
    10. Replaced metal c-ring at sliding mechanism with a rubber o-ring for perfectly smooth zooming operation. Removed o-ring at lens. Due to vacuum pressure, it wasn't feasible to make this light completely airtight. When I tried, the zooming mechanism would cycle on its own as air-pressure inside and outside the light tried to equalize.

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    Question I should have phrased my question differently.

    I guess the question I should have asked was ... "Is there a light out there that packs the punch of a SC600 (in terms of both power and runtime) in a smaller lighter package"? It can certainly be done because Zebra Light does it with their own HD600 (only a little less power but a longer runtime and a much smaller lighter package).
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    Quote Originally Posted by witness View Post
    I guess the question I should have asked was ... "Is there a light out there that packs the punch of a SC600 (in terms of both power and runtime) in a smaller lighter package"? It can certainly be done because Zebra Light does it with their own HD600 (only a little less power but a longer runtime and a much smaller lighter package).
    There are no long lists of 750 lumen lights under 4" in length...its a fairly exclusive club.

    As for the "why would anyone want throw"....well, its all a question of what we're trying to see, and, at what range.

    For example, I do disaster response work, and, I need to see if someone might be out there in the darkness 400-800 yards away.

    So, sure, a giant flood light that could light up a football field sized area 600 yards away might be nice, but, to have enough LUX on target, that requires a LOT of lumens at that range...and THAT requires a lot of POWER, and THAT requires a lot of battery, and THAT requires a large battery tube, and so on and so forth.

    So, THAT means that I can use a smaller form factor to reach out 600 yards, and search a smaller patch at a time, at a longer distance, with a smaller light.

    If I am night fishing on a large lake on a moonless night, and I have no freekin CLUE where the dock I need is...I can use a small light with a lot of throw to scan around and try to find it off in the darkness.

    If I am hiking and am trying to find a trail up a mountain on the other side of a ravine/valley, etc...to avoid hiking into a dead end...I need to see across it.

    An SC600 would be fairly useless for that. At Photon Fest 18 for example, we were in a quarry, and my SC600 lit up a great pool of light, and I could see that there was a path through two large rock formations, but the path was dark from where I was looking. I then lit up the Klarus XT11, and I could now see that the "Path" was the edge of a large hole, and not really a "Path"...and that there were trees on the opposite side of the hole. The pocket sized DEFT edc LR+ also lit up the trees on the far side of the hole, and I could see even more details, like the path through the trees meandering off around a bend.

    If I am looking for my keys in the grass, or walking the dog/to the latrine on a camping trip, etc...a floody light lets me see my surroundings easily, and works great...and a tight beam would require me to sweep the light constantly to and fro to try to stitch together what's out there...looking at too little at a time close up to be convenient/efficient.

    So, a thrower is used to see things far away with less power....it has a function, just like a floody light has its function...to see things close up.


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    Quote Originally Posted by witness View Post
    In a practical sense what good is extreme throw? I had the Quark Mini123 which has hotspot that, at first glance, is far more impressive than the MiniX123 that I eventually settled on (particularly indoors). The MiniX123 is more of a flood and out in an open field at night the extra lumens and spread are immediately obvious and, to me, far more practical. The SC600 is impressive in terms of throw but it's the fact that it floods the night and lights up a relatively large cone in front of you that really impresses me. Think about how we live. We flood our homes and streets with light, we don't generally spotlight tiny little patches. I really don't get how extreme throw is of any real use except maybe on a weapon or to impress your pals.
    I'm not saying that the BC-10 is an extreme throw light, I'm just saying it has good throw especially for its small size. Most little lights arent known for good throw, but the Bc-10 is pretty good. It isnt as good a thrower as many other larger lights, but its not bad.

    That was what I was trying to say. The Bc-10 actually has a good mix of throw and flood. Its beam isnt as wide as my iTp A6, but it certainly good enough, or I wouldnt use it every day. I'd like to have a hard-core throw light just for when I need long distance lighting, but you're right in that most of the time you dont need that.

    I'm just impressed by the BC-10's brightness, decent throw and its decent flood, for its small size.(and small amount of money!)

    As far as the SC600 is concerned, I'm not at all unhappy that I bought it. I like its floodiness, although its not as wide or bright as my(larger) iTp A6(not made anymore as of February I believe), I still like the Sc600. The only issues I have with it is its complexity of operation, and its seemingly thin anodizing.

    But one of the good things about the SC600 is how darn small it is considering its an 18650 light! I have a Solarforce L2P that I just bought, and it runs on 1 18650(or 2 Cr123's), and has an XM-L, but its also 1.5" longer! Zebralight did a good job shoehorning this setup into a small package! Its aluminum is thick too!
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    A dealextreme $0.48 shipped cow light. It has two 5mm led's in it, it came with the button batteries in it too. Only annoying thing is that it's only momentary activation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sintro1 View Post
    A dealextreme $0.48 shipped cow light. It has two 5mm led's in it, it came with the button batteries in it too. Only annoying thing is that it's only momentary activation.
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    EagleTac T10C

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    1) Work cargo pants (5.11 Tactical) i keep my SC600 in one of the many pockets.

    2) Casual shorts or pants i use my SunwayMan V10A with a 14500 battery which gives over 400 lumens

    3) Jeans or dress pants when going out for a more formal affair i will have either the V10A or my super thin Preon2

    4) Walking around my backyard i keep a TK41 in my pocket... yes it fits!


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