Well since you put it that way. LOL
Well since you put it that way. LOL
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Or the perp in a long coat in warm weather banging on a someones door. The network lights up and the units go literally "balls to the wall" (thanks TEEJ! ) as if it was their own family being threatened.
Makes me want to join the academy myself.
If only I wasn't so short
This is slightly still off topic, but yes LEOs get a lot of grief for the bad apples. Don't judge em all based on the bad ones, but go after the bad ones (legally) when you can to make the force better overall!
All my experiences with LEOs have shown me MOST of them are very respectful and polite - but of course not all are. I've had my run ins with a few power-tripping ones too.
Thanks for the kind sentiments dc38 and everyone else. Again, I would like to apologize to all of you for derailing the thread with my rants and to fyrstormer, who I may have been a little too hard on. If it makes you feel any better, I too have been harassed by a few cops when I was younger. In my late teens and early twenties I lost count how many times my car was tossed and I was patted down for apparently no reason since I never got charged with anything. Even as an LEO occasionally I get major attitude from my brethren but 99.9% try real hard to do the right thing day in and day out.
All right, enough hugs and swapping spit. Back on topic.
There is no point in me giving a full-length explanation at this point, so I'll just say: my opinion of the police is not the result of being young and discontented -- in fact my job as a consultant for a defense contractor makes me pretty well invested in the status-quo -- instead it is the result of consistently having negative experiences with the police, including when I was the victim. I go out of my way to be helpful or at least unobtrusive, which I guess makes me look suspicious. It's easy to say my experiences were outliers, but when all of my experiences are supposedly outliers, that excuse rings hollow.
One specific post I want to address: fishndad, I was not the kid who teased other kids on the playground and then hid behind the teachers. I was the kid who got harassed as a sport almost every day, and the teachers occasionally joined in when they were sufficiently amused. The typical response from the administrators was to tell me to "stop attracting negative attention." So, not quite the same as you surmised.
I'm done here; have a nice thread.
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I DO see where the problem lies.
The evidence points to a particular personal attribute that leads to this sort of thing. Very unfortunate. Fyrstormer, please, be careful out there, and condolences.
I HATE bullies, and, wish I had been there when you had been harassed. You would NOT have been when I was there.
So, yeah, the tactical value of a light for a trained concealed carry situation is very high. It gives options you wouldn't otherwise have. A Non-Tactical UI, in a tactical scenario, is a hindrance, and a potential liability in a SHTF scenario.
Last edited by TEEJ; 06-05-2012 at 02:20 PM.
I do appolagize for refering to you as antagonistec and the situation you describe at the bus stop would piss off anyone.
I hope you can forgive my careless uninformed comment.
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TRAINING is so important. Especially when - as a profession - LEO are so under the microscope/gun at the same time. ANYONE can have a bad day/slip up and let someone "have it" verbally or even physically if buttons are pushed.
Its never condoned of course, but, its like medical malpractice. Everyone knows a doctor is a human being, and that humans err. BUT, if they DO make a mistake, they do NOT "get away with it". They are raked over the coals, and drawn and quartered in court. (Drawn and Courted?)
In some professions, you are not allowed to make a mistake, ever, period. This is of course unrealistic, and yet, is the reality of it.
My feeling is that people who choose such a profession MUST know where the bar is, and how high it is.
To that end, there are people who check on the activity around that bar, and see if anyone tried to sneak under it. These people who pass the bar are called lawyers. They get money from the ones who go under the bar, and give 60% of it to the people who set the bar the guy went under.
When I replied earlier in this thread and mentioned having a background in martial arts training and not wanting to carry a concealed weapon (handgun) - I also referenced "situational awareness" and what I was trying to say was that the training heightened my situational awareness and as a result, I am less likely to need to defend myself. I could probably write a couple of paragraphs going on about that, but TEEJ has succinctly summarized the meat of the meaning.
Anyone and everyone can and will benefit, from a self defense standpoint (and in many other unforeseen ways), by carrying themselves in the manner TEEJ described. I'm sure many of you know this is common advice from LEO or other safety minded organizations to civilians, but take it seriously. Carry yourself like you are prepared and if you carry something with you, let the confidence in knowing that you have it and can use it show in your demeanor - and it will. Appear confident, not cocky. Feel capable and others will sense it.
And also... use your instincts. Yes, instincts. If an area or place doesn't "feel" right, it isn't. Don't go there. If a group of people or a person seems odd or gives you a "weird" feeling, even makes you feel scared... you are! Don't laugh... you should pay attention to yourself and get out of there.
Be the ball.
Last edited by zenbeam; 06-05-2012 at 04:10 PM.
EagleTac D25C S2; P20A2 MKII S2; P100C2 Q5; Fenix TK21 U2; LD01 R4; E05 R2; E01
JETBeam BC10 R5; Romisen RC-G2 II NW; RC-T601 II U2; Inova X5
Xeno E03; Zebralight SC600; Crelant 7G5-V2 U2; 4Sevens Quark Tactical 123^2 R5
^^^ Yup. Situational awareness and getting off the X will keep you out of most iffy situations.
For those interested in additional reading about defensive applications for flashlights (with pro's and some con's)
POLICE Magazine - How to Use a Strobing Flashlight - Article
(The pic of the attacker blinded by a bright light actually came from this PoliceMag article)
"When those who have no life are no longer being fed and cared for by Uncle Sugar, they will roam the streets looking for victims to feed upon. We already see the vacant glassy eyes staring out at us from those who have lost the will to live."
Last edited by ledmitter_nli; 06-05-2012 at 11:57 PM.
So, out of curiosity, what all does everyone carry (flashlight wise) for this purpose?
Surefire G2X for the 200lumen brightness, Surefire 6PD with Wolf Eyes Dropin, well... for everything else.
I'm running a Fenix PD31 light on my custom build I did.
James please resize your image to no larger than 800 X 800 pixels - Norm
EDIT: Resized photo
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