SureFire R1 Lawman pics and beamshots

[viciousGLOCK40]

Does anyone know if I engrave an R1 Lawman with my name/PD name if that will void the SF warranty?

[Bullzeyebill]

If I read you right, your name and your Police Dept name, then no it would not void your warranty, unless I am sorely mistaken. SF would probably be tickled pink if you did that.

Bill

[viciousGLOCK40]

Thanks Bill. My question was kinda confusing, huh?!

[viciousGLOCK40]

approximately how long will the B10 cells be available for into the future? Couple, three years?

[Robin24k]

Unless there's some major breakthrough in battery technology, the lithium-ion 18650 will be around for a while. I wouldn't worry about the availability of spare batteries, especially since the light can also take primaries.

[viciousGLOCK40]

@Robin24k: to be more specific, for the years to come, what is the predicted availability of the R1 specific li-ion cell that SF produces based on previous SF rechargeable lights?

Also, is $295 shipped a fair LEO price?

[jeck jouens]

what is the max Lumens ?

[EV_007]

what is the max Lumens ?

Assuming the
R1. 750 lumens with rechargeable battery stick for a few minutes and 500 lumens normal after step down from 750 when using the rechargeable battery stick and 500 with primaries.

[erehwyrevekool]

It seems in the rechargeable battery stick there is a 18650 cell, is it true?
If the battery magazine is loaded with 123A primary cells, is it protected against accidental charges?

[Robin24k]

It's a Panasonic NNP 18650. There are three pins on the battery carrier, so it's possible that there's protection against accidental charging of primaries, but I wouldn't count on the light to protect against user error.

[bluebonnet]

It seems in the rechargeable battery stick there is a 18650 cell, is it true?
If the battery magazine is loaded with 123A primary cells, is it protected against accidental charges?

The R1/R2 Lawman user manual reads: "WARNING: Do "no" attempt to charge rechargeable (or disposable) 123 batteries in this flashlight. Rechargeable lithium-phosphate 123A cells, such as those sold by SureFire, should be recharged in a separate charger included with the kit." That warning is enough for me to engrave an "X" on the end of the battery magazine that houses the 123A primary cells and make certain it is not inside the tube prior to beginning the recharging cycle.

[Beckler]

Assuming the
R1. 750 lumens with rechargeable battery stick for a few minutes and 500 lumens normal after step down from 750 when using the rechargeable battery stick and 500 with primaries.

http://www.surefire.com/illumination...r1-lawman.html

I like how they don't mention the fact that 750 Lm is only available for a few min. Instead they just say "High 750 lumens / 1.75 hours" and nothing else, which amounts to misrepresentation, i.e. lying.

Compare to
http://www.zebralight.com/SC600-Cree...8650_p_55.html

Which states that the max. output is only avail. for 5 min.

[Robin24k]

For almost every light, maximum output is not maintained consistently. It's just that some have a larger step-down for better runtime, which is not necessarily lying. Besides, no standard requires runtime graphs or stating how long maximum output is maintained for...

[Beckler]

Well I don't know about most lights, but in this test for example,
http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...VIDEO-amp-more!
Scroll about halfway down to the "Max mode" output graph, you can see the majority don't appear to step down. For example the RRT21 which I'm considering, doesn't. Anyway, my point is IMO, they're deliberately not stating that, knowing that most people will see 750 Lumens, Wow, and it lasts for 1.75h... They'd rather you not know it only lasts briefly.

[Dr. Strangelove]

Well I don't know about most lights, but in this test for example,
http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...VIDEO-amp-more!
Scroll about halfway down to the "Max mode" output graph, you can see the majority don't appear to step down. For example the RRT21 which I'm considering, doesn't. Anyway, my point is IMO, they're deliberately not stating that, knowing that most people will see 750 Lumens, Wow, and it lasts for 1.75h... They'd rather you not know it only lasts briefly.

The only people who think that are people who don't read carefully, it does not say 750 lumens for 1.75 hours, the SureFire website says: "** Total runtime (at highest setting for multiple-output flashlights) until output drops below 50 lumens." This is the standard methodology for almost all multiple output SureFire flashights.

Remember, flashlights using the FL-1 standard (which the R1 does not use) show the runtime to 10%. So by extension of your logic, all flashlights are guilty of implying that the maximum output lasts for the stated runtime. For example, the Jetbeam website shows the RRT-21 as 460 lumens for 2hr 15min using FL-1. Yet the runtime graph in the review you reference shows it takes only 1hr 28min to go from 480 lumens to 50% (theoretically 240 lumens since it was not actually measured). Also note that the review lists the maximum output at 480 lumens instead of 460, although the difference is insignificant.

[viciousGLOCK40]

Last night I returned home from completing a search warrant while using the R1 Lawman. The fuel gauge showed red. I plugged the AC charger into the light and the fuel gauge turned green. I knew this wasnt right so I unplugged it, inspected/cleaned the light/battery and tried again. I did this several times. I left the R1 plugged in for 5 hours, the gauge was green the entire time and when I unplugged it the gauge showed red. Can anyone speculate what might be going on?

[Robin24k]

Have you used primary 123s recently? When changing battery sources, you need to reset the Fuel Gauge (instructions are in the user manual).

[viciousGLOCK40]

The battery is depleted. It will not take a charge. Ive tried the steps in the manual.

[Lodogg2221]

Mine is now exhibiting the exact same behavior as viciousGLOCK40's light.

Glad I can be a test mule for Surefire....

Oh, and by the way, the "procedure" Robin mentioned is simply to tap the tailcap button on the light to reset the processor.
Seems like the first time you used the light, it would do the same thing.
Ive tried swapping back and forth between primaries and the rechargeable battery and no difference, except that with primaries it works fine and fuel gauge shows green.
Rechargeable is red, light will still light, but it will NOT charge.
Shows green.