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    Default I love incandescent flashlight much more than LED flashlights,how about you?

    I love incandescent flashlight much more than LED flashlights,

    incandescent bulb gives warm light like the sun, while LED gives the cold light that I dont like


    and I also love HID flashlight very much, it feels like a small solar torch

    my friend gave me a custom HID, He told me it's smallest in the world.

    I love it so much although I don't believe it's smallest.




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    how about you?
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    Default Re: I love incandescent flashlight much more than LED flashlights,how about you?

    Quote Originally Posted by flashlightist View Post
    incandescent bulb gives warm light like the sun, while LED gives the cold light that I dont like
    I am not alone.

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    Default Re: I love incandescent flashlight much more than LED flashlights,how about you?

    I definitely prefer the light from an incandescent much more, but LED wins on everything else.

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    Default Re: I love incandescent flashlight much more than LED flashlights,how about you?

    I prefer incandescent light too - although still prefer LED for runtime, dimmability, shock resistance, and multi voltage ability (running liion and primary in the same light)

    The Short Arc Xenon in my Maxabeam is very nice light too - almost daylight (similar to a camera flash)
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    Default Re: I love incandescent flashlight much more than LED flashlights,how about you?

    Not all LEDs are cool white you know, you get get the daylight neutral white using a 4500K Nichia HiCRi 219 or the sunset warmth using a warm white high CRI. I love incans, but not for their warmth (warm white HiCRI LEDs can do that with triple the runtime) but because it, along with HIDs feel real, unlike solid state lighting. There's just something great about watching a filament glow, electrodes sparking etc as opposed to "flick a switch and let there be light" so of thing.

    I guess this is why the majority of high end watches are mechanical, not electric, as a lot of people appreciate the more "realistic" feel of them, or why vinyl is still popular among audiophile circles etc.

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    Default Re: I love incandescent flashlight much more than LED flashlights,how about you?

    I usually reach for a handy incandescent light, but will use LEDs for longer runtimes. Color rendition and warm hands are 2 good reasons to continue with incandescent flashlights.

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    Default Re: I love incandescent flashlight much more than LED flashlights,how about you?

    Color rendition and outdoor depth of field are owned by incans.
    Finally seeing the light - going back to incans!!!!

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    Default Re: I love incandescent flashlight much more than LED flashlights,how about you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Brigadier View Post
    Color rendition and outdoor depth of field are owned by incans.
    This is actually a contentious and subjective point. Most of the incans in use today are actually halogen (traditional incans are banned in many countries, including Australia). Halogens have a Ra of 94-96, which is very close to the 92 typical CRI of high CRI LEDs. About depth of field, it's a subjective point and for my purposes, a ~8000K bluish HID allows me to see the furtherest, as most of the light is reflected back as opposed to being absorbed by browns/greens etc.

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    Default Re: I love incandescent flashlight much more than LED flashlights,how about you?

    I am of two minds on this, which I don't doubt will be rearranged once Matt finishes the triple Nichia P60 dropins, but right now my favorite light is my poor-mans M4 with a lumensfactory bulb and an AW soft start 3-level switch. The only disadvantage is the runtime, which really doesn't matter since I use it as a toy. The color and... well, things just look better to me with the LF bulb even if the competing LED has more power. I am definitely in the camp that appreciates both LEDs and our beloved hotwires.

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    Default Re: I love incandescent flashlight much more than LED flashlights,how about you?

    Quote Originally Posted by flashlightist View Post
    I love incandescent flashlight much more than LED flashlights,

    incandescent bulb gives warm light like the sun, while LED gives the cold light that I don't like
    You haven't been around very long it appears - get some premium emitters to compare against and even though you may still love your incans, as many of us do, you'll find that the warm>cold scenario just isn't a reality based perspective at this late date.

    A good place to start might be a light with an hCRI XP-G - very, very incan-like and impossible not to love, if you love incans.
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    Default Re: I love incandescent flashlight much more than LED flashlights,how about you?

    I love them too. They have better throw.
    Be prepared for darkness.

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    Default Re: I love incandescent flashlight much more than LED flashlights,how about you?

    I really dig incandescent lights, if not more, than led lighting. I use incan at work, mostly for being able to see things better and make out objects in the yellow-tinged hue that an incandescent can produce. While I also enjoy led, the warm tinted ones are by far my favorite, simply because they can almost accurately reproduce an incandescent light in value, while saving some duly necessary battery power.
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    Default Re: I love incandescent flashlight much more than LED flashlights,how about you?

    Quote Originally Posted by yifu View Post
    This is actually a contentious and subjective point.
    Not really. It is pretty much universally agreed upon on this forum.
    Finally seeing the light - going back to incans!!!!

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    Default Re: I love incandescent flashlight much more than LED flashlights,how about you?

    Incandescents, driven correctly, is very lovable.
    Easily lovable even... I've found old love from it running the P90 with 2x17500s. LEDs still can't compare in the quality of its output. But runtime is... ahh, LEDs still have their advantages

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    Default Re: I love incandescent flashlight much more than LED flashlights,how about you?

    Quote Originally Posted by liveris flashlights View Post
    I love them too. They have better throw.
    I dont think you have anyidea what your talking about.
    a mag4d for example (incon) can barely outthrow a 2AA quark.
    go to the web and look at some beamshots.I.E. Goingear has plenty.After you do so please feel
    free to lead me to some examples of what incon can outthrow an LED.Ill be waiting.
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    Default Re: I love incandescent flashlight much more than LED flashlights,how about you?

    I have 2 M6's. One with a Malkoff MD60 vs one with an MN21 - Sorry, the the MN21 throws further. And whatever is illuminated is much more realistic with the MN21.

    Quote Originally Posted by fishndad View Post
    I dont think you have anyidea what your talking about.
    a mag4d for example (incon) can barely outthrow a 2AA quark.
    go to the web and look at some beamshots.I.E. Goingear has plenty.After you do so please feel
    free to lead me to some examples of what incon can outthrow an LED.Ill be waiting.
    Finally seeing the light - going back to incans!!!!

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    Default Re: I love incandescent flashlight much more than LED flashlights,how about you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Brigadier View Post
    I have 2 M6's. One with a Malkoff MD60 vs one with an MN21 - Sorry, the the MN21 throws further. And whatever is illuminated is much more realistic with the MN21.
    look your not getting it guys,Light reguardless of the source,is light.It is bound by the laws of physics.
    The concentrated amount of light produced by a source will only travel until refraction,reflection and
    disipation has sufficiently reduced the concentration of particles below a level unseen by the human eye.
    Incondescent light particles do not travel further than any other light particle.
    PERHAPS THE LAWS OF PHYSICS DO NOT APPLY IN YOUR LIGHTS!
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    Default Re: I love incandescent flashlight much more than LED flashlights,how about you?

    Incan bulbs will however throw further with the same output due to the nature of the beam angle and surface brightness of a filament. It's easier to collimate. I have incan P60 drop-ins from DX which pull 2amps and only put out 120 lumens, but they will outthrow my 3 amp 750 lumen XM-L drop-ins or my XR-Es.

    The whole tint thing won't be an issue for long I don't think though, LEDs are already pretty close to replicating incan tints and they will only improve.

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    Default Re: I love incandescent flashlight much more than LED flashlights,how about you?

    don't know where you went to school, but last I checked light was a wave, not a particle. At least that is what they taught in engineering school in Physics class.

    Quote Originally Posted by fishndad View Post
    look your not getting it guys,Light reguardless of the source,is light.It is bound by the laws of physics.
    The concentrated amount of light produced by a source will only travel until refraction,reflection and
    disipation has sufficiently reduced the concentration of particles below a level unseen by the human eye.
    Incondescent light particles do not travel further than any other light particle.
    PERHAPS THE LAWS OF PHYSICS DO NOT APPLY IN YOUR LIGHTS!
    Finally seeing the light - going back to incans!!!!

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    Default Re: I love incandescent flashlight much more than LED flashlights,how about you?

    They may be close in tint, but that does NOT mean they are the same. The incan produces much more of the visible light spectrum than a warm tinted LED. I bet if you shined a beam from an incan thru a prism, then the highest CRI LED thru one, you would see a big difference.

    But then again, I may be wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by RedForest UK View Post
    Incan bulbs will however throw further with the same output due to the nature of the beam angle and surface brightness of a filament. It's easier to collimate. I have incan P60 drop-ins from DX which pull 2amps and only put out 120 lumens, but they will outthrow my 3 amp 750 lumen XM-L drop-ins or my XR-Es.

    The whole tint thing won't be an issue for long I don't think though, LEDs are already pretty close to replicating incan tints and they will only improve.
    Finally seeing the light - going back to incans!!!!

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    Default Re: I love incandescent flashlight much more than LED flashlights,how about you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Brigadier View Post
    don't know where you went to school, but last I checked light was a wave, not a particle. At least that is what they taught in engineering school in Physics class.
    Light exhibits both wave and particle properties. Get yer money back.

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    Default Re: I love incandescent flashlight much more than LED flashlights,how about you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Brigadier View Post
    They may be close in tint, but that does NOT mean they are the same. The incan produces much more of the visible light spectrum than a warm tinted LED. I bet if you shined a beam from an incan thru a prism, then the highest CRI LED thru one, you would see a big difference.

    But then again, I may be wrong.
    Yes incans are full spectrum, but are systematically deficient in short wavelength blue light compared to longer wavelengths. LEDs are naturally monochromatic blue (short wavelength) with the phosphor there to correct to white. This is how I understand it atm: The process of phospher correction generally gives LED light peaks at different wavelengths and it is true that even 90 CRI etc light still shows these peaks across the spectrum, where incans show a steady rise from the shorter wavelengths to longer ones. The human perceptual system only has 3 colour receptor sub-types (Short/Blue + Short-Long/Green and Long-Long/Red. Yellow is a combination of both Long wavelength receptors firing) so this even spread doesn't actually matter as much as you would expect for perceptual accuracy of colour reproduction. This of course depends on the amount of 'peakiness', where the peaks are and how wide they are and how relatively strong etc but LEDs are moving to more and more full spectrum possibilities concurrently with the exploration of using RGB LEDs for accurate colour reproduction, which would still be very 'peaky' objectively, but from our perception indistinguishable from full spectrum.

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    Default Re: I love incandescent flashlight much more than LED flashlights,how about you?

    Quote Originally Posted by flashlightist View Post
    I love incandescent flashlight much more than LED flashlights,

    incandescent bulb gives warm light like the sun, while LED gives the cold light that I dont like



    how about you?


    Ahh .... spoken like someone who has never had a truly high CRI warm white LED in a flashlight. But then again, what's not to like about INCAN

    - Really warm (unnatural?) light .... like a hot fire, not at all like the sun or moonlight for that matter
    - Terrible beam homogeneity .... I like my hotspot looking like a Rorschach test
    - Really poor run time
    - Inability to be effectively dimmed


    But hey it is a personal choice.


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    Default Re: I love incandescent flashlight much more than LED flashlights,how about you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Brigadier View Post
    don't know where you went to school, but last I checked light was a wave, not a particle. At least that is what they taught in engineering school in Physics class.
    light is both wave and particles.and the amount concentrated in a narrow space depending on atmospheric conditions will determine
    how far it travels allong with hundreds of other factors.My point was simple if you do not agree than you are only being argumentative.
    (light does not travel further becouse its incondescent)
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    Default Re: I love incandescent flashlight much more than LED flashlights,how about you?

    I like LEDs better.

    Of course, its a loaded question, as everyone has a SPECIFIC set of examples that THEY use to draw the line used to judge it.

    If my incan light is a a surefire P6, and my LED is a Klarus XT11....um, the LED is better in every way.

    If my incan is a heavily modified overdriven souped up amp monster, and my LED is a shower head led I got at the check out line at the truck stop, my incan will be better....and so forth.

    If "Led" to YOU simply means the weak el cheapo ones at the truck stop, or the DX specials that advertise cold fusion, etc, for a dollar...sure, "Leds have no throw, and are weak, and are blue, etc"

    Similarly, if "Incan" to YOU simply means the el cheapo plastic lights you periodically bang on to make them light up again for a bit...then, sure. "Incans have a weak yellow beam and quickly drain your battery and leave you in the dark"

    Its a bell curve, and, everyone here's opinion lies on it somewhere.


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    Default Re: I love incandescent flashlight much more than LED flashlights,how about you?

    looks like some of posters here never had a good inc. light, and compare leds to stock 4d maglite. lmao.
    thanks for good laugh

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    Thinking Re: I love incandescent flashlight much more than LED flashlights,how about you?

    Quote Originally Posted by alpg88 View Post
    looks like some of posters here never had a good inc. light, and compare leds to stock 4d maglite. lmao.
    thanks for good laugh
    (a good inc.) say putting out 500 lumen in the exact same light, under the exact same conditions,with the exact same color spectrum as an led putting out 500 lumen will throw further?
    And a pound of steel weighs more than a pound of carbon fiber.
    no one is dismissing incon or claiming led is better.Only trying to state throw is not improved by the incan bulb.
    Please enlighten me if im wrong,i do accept that others are more educated on the principles of light.
    with there engeneering degrees.I am but a humble union electrician who watches big bang and repeats what i here from Raj and Sheldon.
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    Default Re: I love incandescent flashlight much more than LED flashlights,how about you?

    Quote Originally Posted by alpg88 View Post
    looks like some of posters here never had a good inc. light, and compare leds to stock 4d maglite. lmao.
    thanks for good laugh
    Looks like some posters have not yet experienced modern LED's and just want to compare to retina searing blue T1A's. Don't stoop to ridicule of those you disagree with - it's unbecoming and no at all in the spirit of CPF.
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    Default Re: I love incandescent flashlight much more than LED flashlights,how about you?

    Quote Originally Posted by fishndad View Post
    (a good inc.) say putting out 500 lumen in the exact same light, under the ,with the exact same color spectrum as an led putting out 500 lumen will throw further?
    .
    there is no such thing, as exact same conditions, in real world, not even gonna respond to the rest.

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    Default Re: I love incandescent flashlight much more than LED flashlights,how about you?

    Quote Originally Posted by kaichu dento View Post
    Looks like some posters have not yet experienced modern LED's and just want to compare to retina searing blue T1A's. Don't stoop to ridicule of those you disagree with - it's unbecoming and no at all in the spirit of CPF.
    well lets see, i'm into flashlights for 10+years, posted plenty of builds\experements, have tried majority led\ inc. bulb that are available, so yea, lmao. thanks.

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