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    Default Streamlight Sidewinder Compact II Review

    Now Iíve reached the last of this series of four Streamlight reviews. Having started with the Sidewinder, Iím going to wrap the series up with its progeny, the Sidewinder Compact II.

    Following feedback on the original Sidewinder, a compact version was produced, this was then improved on resulting in the Compact II

    The Sidewinder Compact II has two different versions, the Military and Aviation. On test is the Military version.





    Initial Impressions:

    The Sidewinder Compact II shares the same head as the Sidewinder, but is much smaller; really living up to its name.

    Like the Sidewinder, the Sidewinder Compact II uses four different emitters to give the user 20 different colour/brightness output options in one light.

    Being small and made of nylon, the Compact II feels very light and handles well even though it is a strange shape.

    One of its special features is its flexibility on choice of battery used to power it. Officially specified as CR123 and AA alkaline or lithium, it turned out to be even more flexible than this.



    What is in the box:

    The Sidewinder Compact II comes in a plain cardboard box.





    It is supplied with an instruction manual Streamlight CR123 and helmet mount.




    Also supplied for review is the Headlight strap mount





    Taking a closer look and looking inside:

    Taking a look all around the Compact II

    The front view showing the polycarbonate lens and the four emitters



    Looking closer at the emitters with the 5mm LEDs being red, IR and blue from left to right.



    And even closer at the Streamlight C4 emitter



    The clip is sturdy, and made of coated steel. It allows for belt, MOLLE, head-strap, and with the ACH mount, helmet mounting options. The clip rotates around the battery tube allowing its position to be adjusted when helmet, or head-strap mounted.



    Looking down onto the switch which has the different LEDs marked on the rubber dome. The one that is facing forward is the colour it outputs, so here it is shown with the White LED active.



    The Compact IIís tail-cap is plastic to match the rest of the light and is hinged by a black plastic retainer.



    The Military model has an IR safe indication on the side. If you position the raised part of the selection ring to point at the IR safe position, the Blue LED is selected which will not output any IR.



    Unscrewing the cap allows you to see the spring fitted in the cap, and the metal contact ring around the end of the battery tube



    Looking inside the tube and the secret of the Compact IIís versatility is revealed. The battery tube has a special positive contact which consists of a long spring with a sliding plastic plate on top. The plate has a hole in the centre to locate the positive terminal of the battery and will move down inside the tube when the longer AA cell is used (rather than a CR123).



    The rear of the helmet mount has a metal clip secured with two screws that firmly fix this to a modern military helmet.





    Modes and User Interface:

    Just like the Sidewinder, the Compact II is ď20 flashlights in oneĒ referring to the set of five modes which are repeated for each of the four emitters.

    Each emitter has Max, High, Medium, Low and Flashing modes available. For the Military model on review, the Compact II turns on in Low and has red, IR and blue coloured LEDs.

    Here the multiple LEDs are all shown on at once using a triple exposure for the photo, changing mode between exposures. In the left hand photo, the IR LED (between the red and blue LEDs) just registers with the camera.



    To turn on, click the rubber dome soft click switch, and to change mode the rubber dome switch is held down to cycle through the modes and follows the sequence Low -> Medium -> High -> Max -> High -> Medium -> ÖÖ so unlike many lights it ramps up and down and does not jump straight from Max to low.

    A quick double click enters the flashing mode which is set at Max output.

    Surrounding the switch is a selector ring for the emitter. This must be pulled up, rotated and dropped back down to lock in the selection. The emitter can be changed while the light is in any mode without changing the mode. Two hands are needed to change the emitter and the selector ring has a raised section to allow for tactile LED changes.



    Batteries and output:

    Streamlight specifically designed the Compact II to take CR123 and AA following feedback from users of the original Compact. What they have achieved is even more flexibility than was intended.

    Only CR123, alkaline or lithium AAs are specified. However after testing I found that the Compact II works with CR123, RCR123 (as long as Max output is not used) the three types of AA cell, Ni-Mh, Alkaline and Lithium and the same three types of AAA!

    Thanks to the clever battery tube design, the Compact II accommodates CR123, AA and AAA size cells and has worked (with some limitations) with all types of all these sizes. That is three different sizes and a total of 8 different batteries that can be used.

    Not only do you get all this choice in battery size and type, but you also get a Ďbattery vampireí due to the Compact IIís red LED and the fact it turns on in low. An AA battery that will no longer light the white led will give a couple of hours light with the red LED.

    Apart from the RCR123, which gave a potentially damaging turbo boost to the max output, the output figures across all types of cell were very consistent.

    Personally I would only use the RCR123 as a last resort, and if using it avoid the Max output (which is easy as it turns on in low), but it is usable.

    To measure actual output, I built an integrating sphere. The sensor is a photo-diode restricted to visible light only (so Infra-Red and Ultra-Violet will not register). This was chosen as our eyes can only use the visible wavelengths of light so this is generally the only useful output. The integrating sphere was calibrated using 12 different reference sources and taking an average of the factor used to convert the measured voltage output to Lumens. Output figures are quoted as ANSI lumens where the measurement is made 30s after turning on the specified output level. Initial figures when first switching on are always higher, but all quoted measurements are ANSI.



    Please note, all quoted lumen figures are from a DIY integrating sphere, and although every effort is made to give as accurate a result as possible, they should be taken as an estimate only. The results can be used to compare outputs in this review and others I have published.

    The main set of figures are for the CR123, and only where the output differs from this baseline are the extra output figures included.

    Sidewinder Ė Compact II Military I.S. measured ANSI output Lumens PWM frequency (Hz)
    CR123 White - Low 5 N/A
    CR123 White - Med 15 N/A
    CR123 White - High 23 N/A
    CR123 White - Max 60 N/A
    AA White - Max 53 N/A
    RCR White - Max 166 N/A
    RCR White - High 31 N/A

    Output is regulated and as the batteries become depleted, the output drops a level. Once the lowest level is reached, eventually the Compact II will switch itself off. After a period of recovery, you will typically be able to squeeze a little more light out.

    As the coloured LEDs run at much lower outputs, once the Compact II can no longer output white light, you can switch to a coloured LED and run for several hours longer.

    Being a soft click button, there is parasitic drain to be considered as the internal circuit is kept powered. The Compact II is unfortunately not as good as the Sidewinder in this regard and each type of cell had a different parasitic drain.

    Cell type Measured Drain Time to drain cell
    CR123 48.3uA 3.91 Years
    AA Ni-Mh 0.12mA 1.9 Years
    AA Lithium 0.07mA 4.74 Years
    AA Alkaline 0.1mA 3.08 Years



    In The Lab

    In an attempt to quantify the actual beam profile I developed the following test. There are probably many flaws in my method, but it is simple and easy to carry out and seems to provide a good enough comparison.

    The method used was to support the light 1m off the floor and 1m from a wall, with a tape measure on the wall. The zero of the scale is placed in the centre of the hotspot and a lux meter is then positioned at points along the scale, with the measurements recorded. Beam shots are often taken with the light shining on a flat white wall, so this method is simply measuring the actual intensity across the beam on a flat surface, not the spherical light emission.

    The results are then plotted on a graph.

    For the best throw you want to see a sharp peak with less of the distracting spill. For the best flood light the trace should be pretty flat.


    The Compact IIís beam profile is shown here compared to the other Streamlight lights I have on review. The Compact II has a brighter wider hotspot than its predecessor the Sidewinder.



    Taking this a little further, I calculated an approximate factor to apply to the lux measurements, as each measurement gets further from the centre of the beam, it corresponds to a larger area onto which the light is falling. It seems to me that this should also be taken into consideration, so I applied these area corrections and came up with this odd looking graph.

    The key quantity here is the area under the graph line. This should correspond to the total light output.


    However, it has slightly less light in the spill area than the Sidewinder.





    The beam

    As shown by the previous beam profile graphs, the Compact II has a brighter wider hotspot than the Sidewinder but with a slightly dimer spill.

    The beamshot is exposed to give an impression of the beamís brightness to the naked eye.



    You can see some shaping of the spill due to the square front of the Compact IIís casing.

    The Compact IIís beam is much smoother than the Sidewinderís beam, probably due to the different choice of emitter.

    Output from the 5mm LEDs is typical as far as beam quality goes.



    What it is really like to useÖ



    Just as with the Sidewinder, the Compact IIís recessed soft-click switch is deep enough not to activate accidentally, but not so deep as to make it difficult to operate.

    Ergonomics are slightly odd but you can hold the Compact II in a variety of ways so that you can operate the switch with a finger or thumb.

    The maximum output is not that high, at a measured 60 lumens, but this is perfectly sufficient for dark environments up to many meters away. It may not be enough in high contrast situations such as peering into an engine bay on a sunny day, but when not fighting another source of light, is a perfectly reasonable output level.

    The Compact II is small enough to make it good to use regularly as a head light. The metal clip, locks into the plastic mount of the head strap, with the clipís angle adjustment allowing you the point the light where you want it.



    The single strap is secure enough as the Compact II is lightweight and makes this a true all rounder.




    Being small and light, Iíve found the Compact II accompanies me virtually unnoticed, and the unusual shape lends itself to standing in several different ways, or clipping onto a pocket, belt or the head-strap

    The Military model on test comes on with the low output level. For many this is the preferred choice as you can always turn it up as required.

    Having a choice of colours, for lower level specialist lighting needs is very useful. Around animals, or if going hunting, the non-white outputs can be less startling and better with dark adapted eyes.

    I donít have any IR related cameras or night vision devices, so canít comment on the usefulness of the IR output as I have no need of it. I would have preferred this to be a green LED instead of the IR one.

    Again, like the Sidewinder it is possible to operate the light using the tactile features, and it is good to know that if necessary, I could change the battery, and select one of the lower output coloured LEDs and IR safe mode all by feel alone.



    The Compact II is a uniquely flexible light, with 20 different output modes and being able to run on three different sizes and 8 different types of battery! With this light you should be able to scrounge a replacement battery from somewhere when you really need to.

    It may not have the highest output, or use the latest LEDs, but Iíve found the Sidewinder Compact II to be so useful and versatile Iím not sure if it should go in my bug-out-bag (thanks to being a great choice if having to scrounge a replacement battery) or in the tool box, in the car, by the bed or somewhere else close at hand.




    Test sample provided for review by Streamlight.

    Iíll update post 2 of this thread once I have some more comments to add....
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    Thanks for the review, very nicely done! I like this light a lot, but still can't figure what to do with coloured leds (besides using the red one as a bike tail light). Has anyone really used blue and IR? An alternative to this light could be the Energizer Tactical Romeo, but it's not as flexible as the Streamlight Sidewinder Compact II in managing different kinds of batteries. Very cool little light! And looks the part too.

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    What I was looking for, GREAT info, I appreciate Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by demoteamone View Post
    What I was looking for, GREAT info, I appreciate Thanks!
    exactly. such a great review!
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    Quote Originally Posted by chenko View Post
    Thanks for the review, very nicely done! I like this light a lot, but still can't figure what to do with coloured leds (besides using the red one as a bike tail light). Has anyone really used blue and IR?
    The colored LEDs are used by the military for signalling.

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    I've had my eye on this light for a while now. I just wish they made a version with RGB LEDs that starts on low instead of high. I have very limited need for the IR one...


    What's the main LED? I don't recognize it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yowzer View Post
    I've had my eye on this light for a while now. I just wish they made a version with RGB LEDs that starts on low instead of high. I have very limited need for the IR one...


    What's the main LED? I don't recognize it.
    Agreed, I like the low start and have no use for IR.

    The LED is unusual and I'm not sure what it is. It appears to be one of the Thin Film Flip Chip (TFFC) LEDs, but I've asked Streamlight to identify it for me. If they reply I post the answer.
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    Default Re: Streamlight Sidewinder Compact II Review

    Just had confirmation that the White LED is an Osram Oslon, but that the bin used is confidential.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chenko View Post
    , but still can't figure what to do with coloured leds (besides using the red one as a bike tail light). Has anyone really used blue and IR?
    I have actually used blue and red LED's to save my night vision but only when I needed an absolute minimum amount of light. Otherwise I just use my EDC on high white. FWIW, I have found blue to be easier on my eyes with red seeming to cause more eye strain. I have no use for IR either but have seen an app that allows you to view IR output to confirm it is working.

    I do like the idea of saving battery life by using another color. That is a nice option.

    Thanks for a great review.

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    I have the first version of this light, I wish I had the battery options that version 2 has, but other than that I love it. As a headlamp I expected it to be front heavy but have not had that issue.

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    Thanks for the review, nicely done. Just purchased one recently because of the many features and battery compatibility, I like the fact you can use AA's, AAA's and 123A's, plus the head strap was a bonus, thanks again!

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    Thanks for the great review.

    I just wanted to add some small anecdotal experiences with the Sidewinder Compact II (veteran using it in civilian situations).


    For usage as an EDC (outside of helmet or LBE wear), the Sidewinder Compact II is somewhat awkward in shape. The clip looks as if it would comfortably attach to a cargo pocket but taking another look you can see that a significant amount of the housing protrudes beyond the clip. The center of gravity is also rather high.


    I had wanted to carry this in my cargo-pocket EDC organizer but found it uncomfortable and inconvenient. I love the features of this light and the general ease of use but I wish the clip was more lopsided or that there was a conversion kit to make this more compatible with EDC in non-battle rattle configurations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Courtland View Post
    Thanks for the great review.

    I just wanted to add some small anecdotal experiences with the Sidewinder Compact II (veteran using it in civilian situations).


    For usage as an EDC (outside of helmet or LBE wear), the Sidewinder Compact II is somewhat awkward in shape. The clip looks as if it would comfortably attach to a cargo pocket but taking another look you can see that a significant amount of the housing protrudes beyond the clip. The center of gravity is also rather high.


    I had wanted to carry this in my cargo-pocket EDC organizer but found it uncomfortable and inconvenient. I love the features of this light and the general ease of use but I wish the clip was more lopsided or that there was a conversion kit to make this more compatible with EDC in non-battle rattle configurations.
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    this lamp can run whit baterry 14500??

    will be better or not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lang1_luis View Post
    this lamp can run whit baterry 14500??

    will be better or not?
    As specified, CR123 at 3V is the highest input voltage for normal operation, however if you check the comments you will see that RCR123 at 4.2V was usable if you avoid maximum output. So as a 14500 should be the same size as an AA, then with the same restriction as RCR123, 14500 should be OK. I would simply go with AAs or RCR123s rather than 14500 myself, as some protected 14500s might be too long.
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    Good review. I actually purchased one of these lights for use in thw field (I I'm in the mil). Good little light. Mine uses what appears to be a cree xpe2 led. Still listed as the c4 though.

    The ir output modes come in handy when using nvg's, but otherwise limited in use. The blue I have found no real use for. I may swap to cyan or maybr a yellow green if I feel particularky motivated one of these days.

    Very spot oriented on white output. Useful for distance but limiting up close. My example has a nice white tint without much obvious blue but im thinking f swapping in a nichia 219 I have laying around.

    Good light. Would reccomend.
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    Very nice review, Sub.

    I enjoyed seeing your Sidewinder at the Brighton meet and I always intended getting one at some stage. I don't remember if it was this model or not.

    I think the utility and the lightness combined with the compact size would make it a welcome addition on a camping trip or in the bicycle saddlebag.

    I, too would like to mod it with a green led instead of the IR, how accessible are the led's on the board?

    Thanks for rekindling my interest in buying new torches, just when I thought I'd kicked the habit!

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    Default Re: Streamlight Sidewinder Compact II Review

    Quote Originally Posted by John_Galt View Post
    Good review. I actually purchased one of these lights for use in thw field (I I'm in the mil). Good little light. Mine uses what appears to be a cree xpe2 led. Still listed as the c4 though.

    The ir output modes come in handy when using nvg's, but otherwise limited in use. The blue I have found no real use for. I may swap to cyan or maybr a yellow green if I feel particularky motivated one of these days.

    Very spot oriented on white output. Useful for distance but limiting up close. My example has a nice white tint without much obvious blue but im thinking f swapping in a nichia 219 I have laying around.

    Good light. Would reccomend.
    I like its versatility: it will run on AA, AAA, CR123 and RCR123, the selectable emitter, and compact size.

    Not being in a position to check this (but you might be), I believe the blue output is supposed to be 100% IR free and therefore not show up in someone else's night vision goggles. Conversely, the IR output then being very visible. So for military use I would think both should be very useful (but that is said by a civilian so is only a guess).

    Amongst other uses this comes on night time bike rides with the red light flashing and clipped to my backpack, so still get regular use.


    Quote Originally Posted by Nyctophiliac View Post
    Very nice review, Sub.

    I enjoyed seeing your Sidewinder at the Brighton meet and I always intended getting one at some stage. I don't remember if it was this model or not.

    I think the utility and the lightness combined with the compact size would make it a welcome addition on a camping trip or in the bicycle saddlebag.

    I, too would like to mod it with a green led instead of the IR, how accessible are the led's on the board?

    Thanks for rekindling my interest in buying new torches, just when I thought I'd kicked the habit!

    See you around.
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    I've not tried opening the Compact II up but it looks like it would have quite easy access.

    Hopefully we can arrange another UK meet very soon. Even better with the nights now drawing in.
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    Default Re: Streamlight Sidewinder Compact II Review

    Quote Originally Posted by subwoofer View Post

    Old habits Die Hard!

    I've not tried opening the Compact II up but it looks like it would have quite easy access.

    Hopefully we can arrange another UK meet very soon. Even better with the nights now drawing in.
    OK, looks like I might plump for one soon. Just as soon as disposable cash is earned!

    Another meet in the Autumn? terrific!

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    Access to the board is very easy. All emitters and electronic components are mounted on the same pcb which is rectangulqr.

    The external switch, which appears pretty well sealed, merely acts as a pushrod for the actual lectronic clicky. The board appears to be held in place only by the two wires which connect the positive and negative ends of the battery tube.

    Very simple and easy disaasembly for those interested. Just remove the four screws of the bezel and lift it, the lens and gasket off, the plastic reflector falls out as well as the upper plastic portion covering the three 5mm leds. Ill try to upload a picture later.

    Im no electronics engineer, but with all components being so easy to access, does anyone know if the main processor could be reprogrammed by anyone here on the board d?
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    This thing still ticking along?

    Any feedback on longevity?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ForrestChump View Post
    This thing still ticking along?

    Any feedback on longevity?
    It is indeed still ticking along. Thanks to its small size, I've taken to using this attached to my biking backpack and set the flashing red going. I then know that if needed I've also got a white light to use. I'm running it on AA eneloop rather than CR123.
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    So you have quite a few hours on it?

    I've always been curious about this light, and I've also always been curious why its the only series SL offers a 1 year instead of a lifetime warranty?

    Any thoughts since you have a lot of experience with the light?

    Thanks!

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    No idea about the lesser guarantee. Maybe it is the lift and turn switch, maybe it is the military look (so users might give it harder use), but apart from that nothing really comes to mind.

    I have used it a lot, but bear in mind I have a LOT of lights, so it tends to be used on my bike rides rather than anything else. I really like it. It is different and can even run on anything from AAA to RCR123 (but be careful NOT to pick max output on white as it does overdrive the light).
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    Quote Originally Posted by subwoofer View Post
    No idea about the lesser guarantee. Maybe it is the lift and turn switch, maybe it is the military look (so users might give it harder use), but apart from that nothing really comes to mind.

    I have used it a lot, but bear in mind I have a LOT of lights, so it tends to be used on my bike rides rather than anything else. I really like it. It is different and can even run on anything from AAA to RCR123 (but be careful NOT to pick max output on white as it does overdrive the light).

    That was my thought. It's just odd that a company has a lifetime warranty on all lights except the Sidewinder series.


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    Quote Originally Posted by subwoofer View Post
    maybe it is the military look (so users might give it harder use)

    Confirmed: Designed for the Military, extreme use considered for warranty.

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    Has anyone tried disassembling this light? Would an emitter swap be difficult? It looks like the four screws over the lens would be easy enough to remove.
    Light is sweet and pleasing to the eyes....

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    Default Re: Streamlight Sidewinder Compact II Review

    Quote Originally Posted by leukos View Post
    Has anyone tried disassembling this light? Would an emitter swap be difficult? It looks like the four screws over the lens would be easy enough to remove.
    From what I understand and read above it seems like cake to take apart.

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    Default Re: Streamlight Sidewinder Compact II Review

    How is the PWM on the Sidewinder Compact II ? PWM normally doesn't bother me but I recently watched a video online of another Streamlight model and the PWM was very visible on the low setting.

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