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    Quote Originally Posted by zenbeam View Post
    And if I may, as a relative newbie flashaholic, I'd like to offer my interpretation of the term "moonlight" mode. I may be entirely wrong, but I think some folks are thinking of "firefly" mode when the term "moonlight" mode is referenced.
    As melty said, it is largely a question of semantics. But in my experience, most people mean the same thing by "moonlight" or "firefly" mode - that is, less than 1 lumen (preferrably considerably less). The terms are really used interchangeably here.

    The first instance of "moonlight" that I can recall was the 4Sevens Quark line (0.2 lumens "moonlight" reported). This was used to differentiate it from the traditional "lo" modes of Fenix and other makers, which typically were in the low single to double-digit lumen range.

    Similarly, I don't think most here would accept "firefly" to be anything more than a fractional lumen.

    I know it may not sound like much, but even a couple of lumens will seem blindingly bright to you with dark adapted eyes. IMO, the D25LC2's Lo modes would not qualify as "moonlight" by a long-shot.
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    Default Re: Eagletac D25 Clicky Series Round-up Review (D25C, D25A2, D25LC2 - XM-L & XP-G)

    What about [power on] operating 'memory'?
    On my Fenix, if I switch from regular to Turbo, and then loosen the head, it resets to low regardless. With 4Sevens it reverts to the mode you had before initiating turbo.
    What does the D25LC2 do?
    and what is the CCT of the neutral xm-l and xp-g? Is there really a 4300K T6
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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelW View Post
    What about operating 'memory'?
    On my Fenix, if I switch from regular to Turbo, and then loosen the head, it resets to low regardless. With 4Sevens it reverts to the mode you had before initiating turbo.
    What does the D25LC2 do?
    and what is the CCT of the neutral xm-l and xp-g? Is there really a 4300K T6
    The D25LC2 works like your Fenix and goes back into low no matter what you had it on before, I've been thinking the same thing though and wish the Eagletac did work like the Quarks with that General mode memory or what you called operating memory and to me that is a better UI than typical "mode memory" on light's with a reverse clicky and tighten head for turbo.

    I will add though that high is so close to being as bright as Turbo that I really never think to twist into turbo mode.
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    Default Re: Eagletac D25 Clicky Series Round-up Review (D25C, D25A2, D25LC2 - XM-L & XP-G)

    After reading your review, I tried to buy the D25C S2, but couldn't find it anywhere. I bought the U2 version and wondered where I can buy the S2 version. I like throw

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    Quote Originally Posted by selfbuilt View Post
    As melty said, it is largely a question of semantics. But in my experience, most people mean the same thing by "moonlight" or "firefly" mode - that is, less than 1 lumen (preferrably considerably less). The terms are really used interchangeably here.

    The first instance of "moonlight" that I can recall was the 4Sevens Quark line (0.2 lumens "moonlight" reported). This was used to differentiate it from the traditional "lo" modes of Fenix and other makers, which typically were in the low single to double-digit lumen range.
    Not wanting to get to far off topic but I'm with you I'm not sure I can recall the term moonlight mode before 4sevens and IIRC didn't Thrunite come out with the Firefly mode in the Scorpion. Which ever way we want to call it I consider moonlight less than 1 lumen depending on the reflector, if it's a deep reflector then 1 lumen can seem brighter but a shallow OP reflector can have a litter more total output and get away with calling it a moonlight mode.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jhc37013 View Post
    and wish the Eagletac did work like the Quarks with that General mode memory
    we cant have it all, i guess. i was about to order the D25C only because it had mode memory (and is much brighter) .. but the D25A has to be bright with 14500 too and is more light-weight (24g vs 29g) and slimmer. the proportions look better imho.

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    Thanks melty and selfbuilt. I will adapt my understanding of these terms to what is more commonly accepted in the crowd. I think I picked up some of my perception from manufacturer's product descriptions as well. But the kewl thing I am picking up on is that the user crowd (largely the population of CPF) actually dictates what is or isn't in flashlight tech and terminology - which the manufacturers then strive to provide.

    Quote Originally Posted by selfbuilt View Post
    As melty said, it is largely a question of semantics. But in my experience, most people mean the same thing by "moonlight" or "firefly" mode - that is, less than 1 lumen (preferrably considerably less). The terms are really used interchangeably here.

    The first instance of "moonlight" that I can recall was the 4Sevens Quark line (0.2 lumens "moonlight" reported). This was used to differentiate it from the traditional "lo" modes of Fenix and other makers, which typically were in the low single to double-digit lumen range.

    Similarly, I don't think most here would accept "firefly" to be anything more than a fractional lumen.

    I know it may not sound like much, but even a couple of lumens will seem blindingly bright to you with dark adapted eyes. IMO, the D25LC2's Lo modes would not qualify as "moonlight" by a long-shot.
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    Default Re: Eagletac D25 Clicky Series Round-up Review (D25C, D25A2, D25LC2 - XM-L & XP-G)

    Mine worked for 5 minutes then stopped going into any low modes :-[ It just acted like head was tightened. I called eagletac and we tried the regular stuff, but it's cool because they're sending me one out and I don't have to wait for mine to get to them first.

    Oh well, just got unlucky. The little sucker's bright as hell though! Nice quality feeling light. Eagletac were super cool about it though so I'm still happy. Will probably get new one Monday.

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    Default Re: Eagletac D25 Clicky Series Round-up Review (D25C, D25A2, D25LC2 - XM-L & XP-G)

    Another question, this time about 'positional memory'.
    Seeing as this has a LOT of modes in the general mode [head loose], does the flashlight revert to the first selection of steady state output after some set time, or does it alway follow the exact same cycle procedure?
    Let me expound: if the outputs go as such A->B->C->A->B->C->Strobe->Strobe->Flash->SOS->SOS->Beacon->Flash If you selected the second C setting, but used that for five minutes, would the next press be Strobe, or would it go to A?
    Going to A would be more useful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelW View Post
    Another question, this time about 'positional memory'.
    Let me expound: if the outputs go as such A->B->C->A->B->C->Strobe->Strobe->Flash->SOS->SOS->Beacon->Flash If you selected the second C setting, but used that for five minutes, would the next press be Strobe, or would it go to A?
    Going to A would be more useful.
    Good question. I don't have the lights in front of me, but I recall it does have 'positional memory' of at least a few seconds. I recall turning one of the lights of in "second C" once, and when I turned back on after a couple of seconds (not long), it continue along to strobe when I tried switching modes. But I didn't set out to measure the interval, so I'm not sure how long it is. I'll take a look when I get the chance ... anyone else already try it?

    EDIT: I just checked, and if memory mode is set to on, it continually recalls that you are in the second "C" (for example) and advances to the strobe modes. Even if you turn it off for a min or two - when you come back on, you are still in the second "C" in its memory, and will advance to strobe next.
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    Stellar review, as always. Thank you. It's amazing how people migrate from an existing thread once you post a review, a testament to the cachet you have on these forums!
    I've owned the LC2 XM-L for a week now and it does have impressive output, very close to my ZL sc600. Hard to discern "low" from "lower low" but after several attempts with several sets of eyes and several derogatory verbal exchanges a consensus was reached. The term "moonlight" does not apply!
    Overall, hard not to like this torch and size/output ratio is right up there.

    My only quibble with it (my sample) is the ensemble of crickets that perform loudly & proudly on all of the flashing modes! It's my first "noisy" torch. I can hear the circuit cycle when I'm twenty feet away! I guess the modes are for visual & auditory recognition! (at least for me)

    Since I don't really use such modes it's a non-issue and Eagletac says it's not a problem for the light, unless I decide It's annoying in which case they will swap out the circuit board. I would have preferred them to say "exchange the light" but I like the tint and I don't want to play that lottery!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jhc37013 View Post
    Not wanting to get to far off topic but I'm with you I'm not sure I can recall the term moonlight mode before 4sevens and IIRC didn't Thrunite come out with the Firefly mode in the Scorpion. Which ever way we want to call it I consider moonlight less than 1 lumen depending on the reflector, if it's a deep reflector then 1 lumen can seem brighter but a shallow OP reflector can have a litter more total output and get away with calling it a moonlight mode.
    I believe ThruNite first used firefly with the Neutron.
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    Default Re: Eagletac D25 Clicky Series Round-up Review (D25C, D25A2, D25LC2 - XM-L & XP-G)



    Wow! D25C XM-L U2

    770 lumens, only 3", a great screw-on deep clip, $50 shipped, NW too !

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    Thanks for another excellent review.
    I really appreciate your hard work.

    I use AW IMR or ICR 16340 cells depending, so Ima wondering:

    You tested with AW IMR 16340 because?

    Was the AW ICR 16340 discharge rate too high?

    Do you have data for the D25C XM-L U2 like this :




    Eagletac's website says:

    "Turbo boost technology is activated every time you turn on at Turbo output setting.
    It offers 20% more power to the LED for the first 90 seconds at turbo mode."

    Does that even apply to the RCR123 since it is in Direct Drive operation?
    Last edited by GordoJones88; 06-02-2012 at 06:24 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelW View Post
    Another question, this time about 'positional memory'.
    Seeing as this has a LOT of modes in the general mode [head loose], does the flashlight revert to the first selection of steady state output after some set time, or does it alway follow the exact same cycle procedure?
    Let me expound: if the outputs go as such A->B->C->A->B->C->Strobe->Strobe->Flash->SOS->SOS->Beacon->Flash If you selected the second C setting, but used that for five minutes, would the next press be Strobe, or would it go to A?
    Going to A would be more useful.
    There is no "timed" step through the modes so the second time you go through the modes after "C" it will be strobe it does not matter how long you stay in C mode, the only way out of this is to turn the light off for a couple seconds then back on.
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    Default Re: Eagletac D25 Clicky Series Round-up Review (D25C, D25A2, D25LC2 - XM-L & XP-G)

    Just got an XML D25LC2 after not buying any new lights for a while. It seems very bright but has no throw; it has a nice flood type beam pattern that should be good for general use.
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    FYI, EagleTac has gotten back to me on my analysis and review. They agree their output ANSI lumen specs are under-estimated. They say they will calibrate their integrating sphere soon to better reflect the actual output (not sure what that means exactly). They also say that for the lo/med output, they plan to tune the mcu to better reflect the intended output in the upcoming batch. They also claim to have resolved the tail-stand issue for the upcoming production units.

    Quote Originally Posted by GordoJones88 View Post
    [B]You tested with AW IMR 16340 because ?

    Was the AW ICR 16340 discharge rate too high?
    More to the point, i expected the discharge rate would be too high for standard ICR chemistry RCR, based on the extreme output. Given the results, I donít plan to use or test ICR RCR in these lights.


    Eagletac's website says:

    "Turbo boost technology is activated every time you turn on at Turbo output setting.
    It offers 20% more power to the LED for the first 90 seconds at turbo mode."

    Does that even apply to the RCR123 since it is in Direct Drive operation?
    No, that only applies to primary cells in this case. As you can see in my runtimes, there is no regulation on RCR - you are in apparent direct drive.
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    Great stuff Selfbuilt!
    So does this mean the next run of lights will have a much lower output level for the moonlight setting, cause that would be a good thing.
    And also the tailstand feature will work better
    And does this mean I can have mine exchanged for the real thing?? (Did I go to far with the last question?)
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    So now the decision on a D25C is either flood or throw. Dang, to bad a single unit cant have both. I suppose since i already have a V11R and a SC600 that a D25C in XP-G would make for a nice pocket thrower.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudasD View Post
    So now the decision on a D25C is either flood or throw. Dang, to bad a single unit cant have both. I suppose since i already have a V11R and a SC600 that a D25C in XP-G would make for a nice pocket thrower.

    JD

    You must be our guninea pig and buy the new XTE version of the D25C.
    Here is a pic from Eagletac's website showing the beamshots.



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    Quote Originally Posted by loquutis79 View Post
    So does this mean the next run of lights will have a much lower output level for the moonlight setting, cause that would be a good thing. And also the tailstand feature will work better
    And does this mean I can have mine exchanged for the real thing?? (Did I go to far with the last question?)
    I am just relaying the response I received as to their intent. Whether or not they succeed in changing anything is impossible to know at this time (and on what models, etc.). Time will tell. But note that manufacturers make minor circuit adjustments all the time (without necessarily calling attention to those changes). This is especially true after reviews come out, and is basically part of their responsiveness to community feedback (i.e., models often continue to evolve over time). But I always suggest you take any proposed changes with a grain of salt until independently verified (i.e., the if, when, and how to tell aspects of any circuit tweak are impossible to know ahead of time).
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    Quote Originally Posted by GordoJones88 View Post
    You must be our guninea pig and buy the new XTE version of the D25C.
    Here is a pic from Eagletac's website showing the beamshots.

    awww man, not another choice choosing between 2 models was difficult already. Now with a 3rd, ugh. I sure wish EagleTac's website was a bit better. I cant get the pages to completely load on either of my machines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GordoJones88 View Post
    You must be our guninea pig and buy the new XTE version of the D25C.
    Here is a pic from Eagletac's website showing the beamshots.
    I have no personal knowledge of the XT-E emitter version, but I gathered from other commentary here on CPF that these were pulled from dealer inventory due to beam pattern issues? So, while they still show up on Eagletac's site, all merchants appear to list them as out-of-stock.

    Again, I have NO knowledge of the status of XT-E lights, and have not discussed this with Eagletac. But looking at those posted beashots, I recall similar issues with the Golden Dragon Plus versions of the early Nitecore D10/EX10 series light. Specifically, there were a lot of tint shifts over the beam that people objected to. That version of the light was eventually dropped from the D10/EX10 line (even though they had less beam rings than the XR-Es they were meant to replace).
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    Excellent review!!! Thanks for breaking down the modes as it is truly confusing just going off the spec data.

    Question: any idea how the d25c would run on a Tenergy 3.0 900mah rcr123? This is the batt with a fully charged voltage of 3.6v so Im curious if you maintain all modes with this batt.

    I don't know if the 900 mah rating is accurate but it is reported to be higher than the 500mah you get from the lifep04.

    My goal is to run the d25c on rechargables without sacrificing the run time the lifepo4 would or sacrificing the different modes a standard rcr123 would. Could the the 900 mah Tenergy (model 30202) run the D25c without losing modes and without concerns of overheating if running too long on turbo?

    Thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by GordoJones88 View Post
    You must be our guninea pig and buy the new XTE version of the D25C.
    Here is a pic from Eagletac's website showing the beamshots.


    oops, i didnt know that such a webpage existed!! There are plenty of them which cant be found that easily, so here all about the D25A i could find:

    D25A Mini:
    http://www.eagletac.com/html/d25am/index.html (introduction)
    http://www.eagletac.com/html/d25am/specs.html (specs overview)
    http://www.eagletac.com/html/d25am/features/output.html (beamshots)
    http://www.eagletac.com/html/d25am/f...fficiency.html (efficiency)
    http://www.eagletac.com/html/d25am/f...s/control.html (control, video)
    http://www.eagletac.com/html/d25am/f...s/details.html (attention to details)
    http://www.eagletac.com/download/gallery/d25amstd.zip (pics)
    http://www.eagletac.com/download/gallery/d25amhd.zip (pics HD)
    http://www.eagletac.com/download/readme/d25m.pdf (download manual)
    http://www.eagletac.com/html/d_serie...ies/index.html (D25A Mini compared to other D25 Mini's)
    http://www.eagletac.com/html/compare...ies/index.html (D25A Mini compared to other series)
    http://www.eagletac.com/html/d_serie...ni_series.html (Mini series overview)

    D25A Mini Ti:
    http://www.eagletac.com/html/d25ti/features/index.html (overview)
    http://www.eagletac.com/download/gal...25amti_std.zip (pics)
    http://www.eagletac.com/download/gallery/d25amti_hd.zip (pics HD)

    D25A Clicky:
    http://www.eagletac.com/html/d25arc/index.html (introduction)
    http://www.eagletac.com/html/d25arc/specs.html (specs overview)
    http://www.eagletac.com/html/d25arc/...es/output.html (beamshots)
    http://www.eagletac.com/html/d25arc/...fficiency.html (efficiency)
    http://www.eagletac.com/html/d25arc/...s/control.html (control, video)
    http://www.eagletac.com/html/d25arc/...s/details.html (attention to details)
    http://www.eagletac.com/download/gallery/d25arcstd.zip (pics)
    http://www.eagletac.com/download/gallery/d25archd.zip (pics HD)
    http://www.eagletac.com/download/readme/d25rc.pdf (download manual)
    http://www.eagletac.com/html/d_serie...ies/index.html (D25A Clicky compared to other D25 Clicky's)
    http://www.eagletac.com/html/d_serie...ky_series.html (Clicky series overview)

    D25A Clicky Ti:
    http://www.eagletac.com/html/d25tirc...res/index.html (overview)
    http://www.eagletac.com/download/gal...5arcti_std.zip (pics)
    http://www.eagletac.com/download/gal...25arcti_hd.zip (pics HD)

    This is just amazing!! Great job from Eagtac's part of providing details on 1 specific model. Typically a manufacturer dedicates only 1 webpage (1 URL) to the description of 1 specific model.

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    WOW! EagleTac's webpage would be awesome if they could just fix the navigation issues. I've tried Firefox, IE, safari and Dolphin. All on two different PCs and a smartphone! None of those browsers correctly render the navigation options. You pretty much have to google the primary URL to find any of the links.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sspc View Post
    Question: any idea how the d25c would run on a Tenergy 3.0 900mah rcr123? This is the batt with a fully charged voltage of 3.6v so Im curious if you maintain all modes with this batt.
    That's a good question. It's possible you may maintain modes on a 3V Li-ion (although perhaps only once some of the charge has been drained off). I don't have any to test, so don't know. Would be interesting to find out.

    And on the issue of the website, I too found it difficult to navitage on Firefox. I basically resorted to google as well to get the first detailed specs page, and then manually changed the URL to bring up each specific model.
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    I run Firefox 12.0 and have no problem on Eagletac's website.
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    Default Re: Eagletac D25 Clicky Series Round-up Review (D25C, D25A2, D25LC2 - XM-L & XP-G)

    Quote Originally Posted by jhc37013 View Post
    I run Firefox 12.0 and have no problem on Eagletac's website.
    Yes, it is working fine for me today as well (same Firefox version). But when preparing this review, I found I wasn't able to bring all the models up from the main page, and clicking the technical specs link often did nothing. The full functionality seems to be there today, though.
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    Default Re: Eagletac D25 Clicky Series Round-up Review (D25C, D25A2, D25LC2 - XM-L & XP-G)

    My replacement D25LC2 just got here.. works fine except once in a while with head loose it will blink and go into tubo/strobe if head is touched or wobbles a little. Not confidence inspiring.

    Edit...

    Oh and I figured out what smells bad- it's the lube. I noticed the first one had a bad smell, I thought maybe something inside it fried actually. I noticed a really strong burnt- nasty odor. Eagletac said that is normal.

    I got my new one and noticed same foul stench. I realised that it was the lube, and it also seemed dirty.. Like the lube was contaminated with something. Anyway I got out the alcohol, paper towels, Q-tips, ans SuperLube. After cleaning 95% of the factory lube off, then further cleaning all surfaces with alcohol, then letting it dry and lightly re-lubing with SuperLube, it works much smoother and doesn't stink any more. Actually it seems yo work better too, when it ''head loose'' mode, it stays there.

    If your D25 stinks, clean thoroughly and re-lube!
    Last edited by BWX; 06-02-2012 at 05:42 PM.

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