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    Most older lights should be able to be retrofitted by cutting down the brass contact on the back of the head, to allow for a longer battery chamber. Those contacts are too long anyway, there's no need for it to be anything more than a thin disc of metal. I've cut down the brass contacts on all the peak lights I've ever owned, with no ill effect whatsoever.

    In other news, if the new pill becomes available for the CR123 bodies, I want one. I have a McKinley head on a QTC body, and the QTC is already getting jumpy.
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    How do you cut down the contact?

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    Quote Originally Posted by andrewnewman View Post
    My understanding is that the original pill imposed modest rotational forces with use that caused small pieces of the QTC material to break off. This resulted in the jumpiness you (and others) note. I noticed it too but still regard my Logan as usable if not ideal. Given how new the application of this technology is to flashlights, I'm willing to fund (at a very modest additional cost) the continued development of this technology by Peak. I'm not sure when something is as cutting edge as QTC material in flashlights, the jumpiness can be regarded as a total flop. Just an imperfect implementation.

    That said, I can't wait to get my light back from Peak to see if the new QTC pill really improves things...
    Interesting point of view. Sometimes it takes a look from a different direction to see something in a different light. "imperfect implementation" makes alot of sense. Hopefully, the new QTC setup will work, and I'm looking forward to seeing positive results from those having upgrades made. I also will probably get the upgrades made to my lights, because they are nice in size, body material,beam tint and color.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LGT View Post
    Interesting point of view. Sometimes it takes a look from a different direction to see something in a different light. "imperfect implementation" makes alot of sense. Hopefully, the new QTC setup will work, and I'm looking forward to seeing positive results from those having these upgrades made.
    It is interesting how the initial wave of "euphoria" over the conversion of the fixed output Peaks to variable output with QTC's seemingly wondrous electrical properties so quickly turned to disillusionment and disappointment that the ramping wasn't "perfect".

    It is a new (application of) technology and thus is bound to have ongoing improvements.

    Personally, I find the simplicity and efficiency ( with virtually nil electrical "overhead" ) still very attractive aspects of the use of QTC. Further refinement is, of course, most welcome
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    Quote Originally Posted by ElectronGuru View Post
    Specific turn around time is currently TBD.

    All OR Peak bodies are available solo, just select "no head" from the engine menu of any Peak page.
    Well, i took advantage of the pill upgrade program and just sent my two bodies back in the envelope provided by Oveready so im hoping this "TBD" turnaround time is weeks and not months as my 10180 Eiger has indeed been a great keychain light.

    Off topic: I also just sent in my HDS High CRI for the parasitic drain issue so Im currently without a couple of my fav lights . That was dumb. I shoulda waited for one or the other to come home before sending the other away.


    So EG, good to know that the bodies are all available solo from Oveready, but is the reverse true as well? Can I order just a head? If so, are you going to be carrying the Eiger Ultra ones soon?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Spaulding View Post
    Can I order just a head?
    Yes, done it.



    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Spaulding View Post
    If so, are you going to be carrying the Eiger Ultra ones soon?
    You can probably order it from Peak directly.
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    I am interested in buying a Logan with momentary QTC from OR but only if it is the new and improved pill and body. Can you confirm that your inventory consists of the new pill and body. If so I will order one ASAP. Thanks.

    Quote Originally Posted by ElectronGuru View Post
    Specific turn around time is currently TBD.

    All OR Peak bodies are available solo, just select "no head" from the engine menu of any Peak page.

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    Quote Originally Posted by De-Lux View Post
    Can you confirm that your inventory consists of the new pill and body.
    Yes, all our bodies are either new or have gone through the depth check/process. Each is hand assembled (with Gen 2 pill) and tested before shipment.

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    Just checked out the oveready site. Are you out of stock with the HiCRI logan heads? I could swear you had HiCRI heads in stock a day ago. Is the warm tint option same as HiCRI? Also curious about large/optic. Is this equivalent to a medium or narrow optic? I hope to place my order tonight. Patiently awaiting your response. Thanks for your time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by De-Lux View Post
    Are you out of stock with the HiCRI logan heads? I could swear you had HiCRI heads in stock a day ago. Is the warm tint option same as HiCRI?
    Yes and yes. Nichia neutral and Cree warm are both high CRI.

    Nichia heads are proving difficult to keep available. A larger batch is in production.


    Quote Originally Posted by De-Lux View Post
    Also curious about large/optic. Is this equivalent to a medium or narrow optic?
    All OR optics are narrow. These are diameter descriptors:

    large logan - standard
    large eiger - ultra (same as logan)
    small eiger - standard

    I'll take pictures of the options when the flood heads are ready.

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    Thanks for your time. Much appreciated. Are you going to have flood heads with the Nichia neutral High CRI? If so, when is the ETA? I was also curious if you are expecting any of the Moddo clips for the logan any time soon. Thanks again.

    Quote Originally Posted by ElectronGuru View Post
    Yes and yes. Nichia neutral and Cree warm are both high CRI.

    Nichia heads are proving difficult to keep available. A larger batch is in production.




    All OR optics are narrow. These are diameter descriptors:
    large logan - standard
    large eiger - ultra (same as logan)
    small eiger - standard

    I'll take pictures of the options when the flood heads are ready.

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    ElectronGuru,
    Would it be possible to pre-order a high cri Logan with the new nichia 219? I would prefer one with a floodier beam if possible. I would be more than happy to pay in advanced. Thanks again.
    Last edited by De-Lux; 06-24-2012 at 08:14 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by De-Lux View Post
    I was also curious if you are expecting any of the Moddo clips for the logan any time soon.
    Tom is working on more clips as we speak, but I have no basis for an ETA.


    Quote Originally Posted by De-Lux View Post
    Are you going to have flood heads with the Nichia neutral High CRI? If so, when is the ETA?
    Yes, but flood heads are still in development, with no ETA.


    Quote Originally Posted by De-Lux View Post
    Would it be possible to pre-order a high cri Logan with the new nichia 219? I would prefer one with a floodier beam if possible.
    The 3rd shipment of Nichia heads is due in the next 48 hours. They're all clear/narrow optics, with enough of both logan and eiger sizes to 'populate' every page/model.

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    ElectronGuru: Could it be possible for you to get the Peak Eiger Ultras (in brass or SS) with the Nichia 219?

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    ElectronGuru,
    Thank you for your time. I am going to hold out for the floodier heads. I will keep checking the OR site for their arrival.

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    Do we send in complete lights, the head and body, or just the body?
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    Quote Originally Posted by elugelab View Post
    ElectronGuru: Could it be possible for you to get the Peak Eiger Ultras (in brass or SS) with the Nichia 219?
    Yes, but new Ultra development is seeing delays similar to the flood heads.


    Quote Originally Posted by PoliceScannerMan View Post
    Do we send in complete lights, the head and body, or just the body?
    Send only the body, unless you have a unique configuration you think the factory should consider when doing the upgrades.

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    ElectronGuru,
    whom am I kidding. I don't have the patients or the self control to wait for the floodier heads. I will thow a little diffuser film over the lens to get a floodier beam.

    I do have one last question in regards to the QTC pill. Do you find that the QTC works better or worse with the momentary switch? Thanks again for your time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by De-Lux View Post
    Do you find that the QTC works better or worse with the momentary switch?
    I would say about the same - neither. During final assembly, I test each setup like so:

    1. install qtc
    2. lube threads, install head
    3. remove head, wipe
    4. install battery, install head
    5. check for twist low/high, low recovery
    6. check for momentary low/high, low recovery
    7. check for twist low, momentary high, low recovery
    8. remove head/battery, wipe
    9. assemble
    10. clean


    Step 7 here is a key feature of this setup, making sure the switch will take the low 'setting' up to medium-high, then return back to low when released. The switch doesn't affect the way the head presses on the pill, it simply adds an extra option for doing so.

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    When we do the upgrade option, do we send in the body + head or just the body?

    Would it be possible for peak to correct the issue with the TIR in my warm white light as well? Theres a rather large bubble on one side that makes a very visible mark in the beam. the only novelty to it is that it makes it look almost like an older standard bulb (non led) flashlight with an off center bulb.

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    ElectronGuru,
    Thanks for the response. Seems to me that using the rotory switch from the first responder series and installing it into the back portion of the battery tube of a Logan would be a more ideal and reliable setup for variable output. Much like an hds rotory. The down fall would be added cost and length. Have you considered this modification? Thanks for your time.
    Last edited by De-Lux; 06-26-2012 at 05:44 PM.

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    ElectronGuru: Thanks for the answer. Got one more question... Could you get some of the other Eigers in brass?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrimCreaper View Post
    When we do the upgrade option, do we send in the body + head or just the body?
    Two posts up.
    Quote Originally Posted by ElectronGuru View Post
    Send only the body, unless you have a unique configuration you think the factory should consider when doing the upgrades.

    Quote Originally Posted by GrimCreaper View Post
    Would it be possible for peak to correct the issue with the TIR in my warm white light as well? Theres a rather large bubble on one side that makes a very visible mark in the beam. the only novelty to it is that it makes it look almost like an older standard bulb (non led) flashlight with an off center bulb.
    I believe you are reffering to the part where the optics are molded when made. I'm afraid nothing can be done about that...
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrimCreaper View Post
    Would it be possible for peak to correct the issue with the TIR in my warm white light as well? Theres a rather large bubble on one side that makes a very visible mark in the beam. the only novelty to it is that it makes it look almost like an older standard bulb (non led) flashlight with an off center bulb.
    Throw some diffusion film over the lens. Here is a thread for purchasing diffusion film. This stuff works miracles for flawed beams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by De-Lux View Post
    Seems to me that using the rotory switch from the first responder series and installing it into the back portion of the battery tube of a Logan would be a more ideal and reliable setup for variable output. Much like an hds rotory.
    I have many ideas/requests in with Peak, but they are a small shop and can only do a few major things at a time. Once the flood and ultra and special metals are flowing, we'll look at additional refinements.


    Quote Originally Posted by elugelab View Post
    Could you get some of the other Eigers in brass?
    We're looking at additional metals. Just need to let Peak dig out from other projects.


    Quote Originally Posted by PoliceScannerMan View Post
    I believe you are reffering to the part where the optics are molded when made. I'm afraid nothing can be done about that...
    +1

    The smoothest focused beam is produced by textured reflectors. The smoothest even beams are achievable with no reflector or optic. The point of going with an optic is to get the most possible throw in the smallest possible package. The price for this is beam quality. Assuming you are describing the manufacturing artifact and not some random damage, it is present along the edge of every narrow Logan optic. A similar mark is visible along the edge of every M60 optic, seen here at 2'oclock:


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    Quote Originally Posted by ElectronGuru View Post
    ....We're looking at additional metals. Just need to let Peak dig out from other projects....
    If there is any chance for DLC coating, I would be really interested ...
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    Just got my Peak bodies back with their new QTC pills. Took about a week. The improvement is dramatic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dy5 View Post
    The improvement is dramatic.
    Care to expand on this?

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