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    Default Is anybody able to buy some of the Philips L-Prize bulbs for me at the subsidized $$?

    This is the bulb I'm looking for: http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...ED-Bulb-Review

    It is $60 unsubsidized but should be about $22 with utility company subsidy.

    Can anyone buy me some (maybe about 6 or so)? I can pay via Pay-Pal.

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    Bump. I'm wanting to give some to my cousin for her wedding gift.

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    Last bump, the wedding is in 4 weeks. If nobody can help I'll have to get some Utilitech bulbs.

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    Default Re: Is anybody able to buy some of the Philips L-Prize bulbs for me at the subsidized

    Quote Originally Posted by ratsbew View Post
    This is the bulb I'm looking for: http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...ED-Bulb-Review

    It is $60 unsubsidized but should be about $22 with utility company subsidy.
    I am also interested in buying discounted L-Prize bulbs, wherever they can be found. I've called all my local Home Depots' lighting departments in three states, and have always come up empty. They don't even have it in their systems. I've called in February (when the bulb first appeared for sale online), April (the official Earth Day consumer "launch"), and a third time in June. The widely reported utility rebates for these bulbs is proving elusive to non-existent. Are there any L-Prize bulbs actually on store shelves?

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    I've haven't seen the 10w L-prize bulb on any store shelves, only online for $60.

    Either they can't make them fast enough, or they're not trying to.

    The earlier 8w/12w/17w bulbs are what I can find at HomeDepot. I'm surprised that Philips hasn't updated the rest of the line. Why sell obsolete bulbs when they've been bragging about the fancy L-prize bulb for months now? Philips fail!!!

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    Yeah, it's a shame. These things were supposed to be $20 according to the rules of the government competition they won (they won millions of tax payer dollars).

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    Default Re: Is anybody able to buy some of the Philips L-Prize bulbs for me at the subsidized

    Quote Originally Posted by ratsbew View Post
    Yeah, it's a shame. These things were supposed to be $20 according to the rules of the government competition they won (they won millions of tax payer dollars).
    Development costs were rumored to be well in excess of the L-Prize award ... but I agree it's curious they're not promoting/selling them widely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deadrx7conv View Post
    I've haven't seen the 10w L-prize bulb on any store shelves, only online for $60.
    I just called Philips Lighting USA at 1-800-555-0050 to get an answer on where these things can be found. The representative was not helpful at all, simply telling me to to "try Home Depot--they're our largest distributor, and if it's on their website, you should be able to special order at the store". She did not understand that availability at homedepot.com did not result in any actual ability to buy in stores. I asked her to identify any specific store or state that had them for sale at B&M stores and she could not.

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    This is kind of crazy. Maybe someone should contact their congressman and complain about awarding $10M to Philips and them not holding up the terms of the prize.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ratsbew View Post
    This is kind of crazy. Maybe someone should contact their congressman and complain about awarding $10M to Philips and them not holding up the terms of the prize.
    I definitely saw them in Home Depot for sale but I believe it was at some crazy price like $50

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    I have found that the typical price is $49.95 for the LPrize Bulb.
    Amazon and Home Depot both list them.
    My Power Company {CL&P} has a $10.00 incentive. I got one for $39.95 to evaluate it.
    A friend indicated that RI and MA have a $24.95 incentive and they pay $25.00 for theirs.
    I am not impressed with my LPrize bulb and like the 12.5W EnduraLED bulb. When used with home automation devices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BLH View Post
    A friend indicated that RI and MA have a $24.95 incentive and they pay $25.00 for theirs.
    I am not impressed with my LPrize bulb and like the 12.5W EnduraLED bulb.
    At least some people are getting decent rebates. I'll ask my brother to buy a bundle when he next passes through MA. And if anybody wants to easily check on inventory for your local Home Depots, go to http://sd.site88.net/homedepot.html and enter the SKU #643430.

    Amazon has them listed for $39.49 now too, but I bought one to evaluate when it was $50. Can't say I'm blown away by the differences--more of an incremental update. With CRI in particular I'd expected a much more visible difference going from 80/100 to 94/100. While LEDs have won over almost everyone in my house, there's still one lighting snob that insists on using halogens because of CRI complaints. I will be upgrading though for the increased brightness. The 805lm AmbientLEDs are too dim for my taste.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ratsbew View Post
    Yeah, it's a shame. These things were supposed to be $20 according to the rules of the government competition they won...
    Where are you seeing the $20 thing? I've looked through the competition requirements and don't see it...
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    Default Re: Is anybody able to buy some of the Philips L-Prize bulbs for me at the subsidized

    Because they changed the requirements after the fact. I think the original selling price was stipulated to be $22 US.

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    I found a copy of the LPrize-Revision1.pdf file. Published June 26,2009 Modified July 9,2009
    It shows a suggested Target Consumer Retail Price Chart.
    The $22.00 could include power company and retailer incentives. Along with other factors.
    It was not a requirement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BLH View Post
    I found a copy of the LPrize-Revision1.pdf file. Published June 26,2009 Modified July 9,2009
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    It was not a requirement.

    That's what I thought. I saw where $22 was included in an example of how the target pricing info was to be presented. $22 was not a requirement.

    Get your facts straight before writing your congressman
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    When I read the original contest specs. a selling cost of $22 was a requirement.
    Here's a clip from a recent Philips Press Release concerning negative feedback from the $50 retail price.

    “The ultimate price – versus the MSRP – of the L Prize bulb will arrive through a partnership between the manufacturer and utility partners across the country. The target price of $22, as originally outlined in the competition parameters, will be achieved through utility rebates of up to $30 through in-store purchases once the L Prize bulb is available to consumers next month

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    Quote Originally Posted by BLH View Post
    I have found that the typical price is $49.95 for the LPrize Bulb.
    Amazon and Home Depot both list them.
    My Power Company {CL&P} has a $10.00 incentive. I got one for $39.95 to evaluate it.
    A friend indicated that RI and MA have a $24.95 incentive and they pay $25.00 for theirs.
    I am not impressed with my LPrize bulb and like the 12.5W EnduraLED bulb. When used with home automation devices.
    What problems are you having with Home Automation? Does it flicker with Home automation using a Insteon dimmer
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    I tested them with a few different protocol devices.

    The Insteon devices where fine with them.

    The early 2000 X10 series Smarthome LampLincs needed Local Control disabled or they turned back On.

    Soft Start X10 LM465 Lamp modules where the problem. They pulsed at full On. One step back in dimming and they stopped pulsing.
    Last edited by BLH; 09-12-2012 at 03:19 AM. Reason: Add information

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    I started seeing these bulbs at the Home Depots in Santee and Escondido, California. The ones in Santee were 93 lumens/watt and 930 lumens. The ones in Escondido were 94 lumens/watt and 940 lumens. Cost was $40 in both locations. Still waiting for the cost to come down to buy one. By then, I bet they'll at least hit the 100 lumen/watt mark. Honestly, unless these are at least double the efficiency of a compact CFL, at $40 a bulb, the increase in price likely won't be offset by the energy savings. They often say how much you will save versus a standard bulb. I think it was over $120 for the life of this l.e.d. bulb. Versus a florescent bulb, I doubt you'll even save $39 versus a $1 CFL. If the efficiency increases to 110+ lumens/watt and these 10 lumen bulbs can start replacing 75 watt equivalent (18 watt) CFLs, I think they might be worth the cost. However, right now I'd rather see a huge drop in initial investment (cost of the bulbs reduced) versus a small increase in efficiency to justify the high cost (higher investment and more savings over time).

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    Quote Originally Posted by ratsbew View Post
    Is anybody able to buy some of the Philips L-Prize bulbs for me?
    It is $60 unsubsidized but should be about $22 with utility company subsidy.
    I can pay for it. In fact I already am paying for it in the form of higher electric bills!

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    Default Re: Is anybody able to buy some of the Philips L-Prize bulbs for me at the subsidized

    I started seeing these bulbs at the Home Depots in Santee and Escondido, California. The ones in Santee were 93 lumens/watt and 930 lumens. The ones in Escondido were 94 lumens/watt and 940 lumens. Cost was $40 in both locations
    Guess it depends on which Home Depot you visit. I found them at the Home Depot in Brea (on Imperial Hwy and Kraemer) for $24.99 . They're not where they normally keep all the light bulbs though; they were in the area where the ceiling fans and chandeliers were displayed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yuandrew View Post
    Guess it depends on which Home Depot you visit. I found them at the Home Depot in Brea (on Imperial Hwy and Kraemer) for $24.99 . They're not where they normally keep all the light bulbs though; they were in the area where the ceiling fans and chandeliers were displayed.

    If that's for the L Prize bulb, that's a great deal. If it's the similar looking 12.5 watt Phillips bulb that puts out 800 or so lumens, you're paying too much. Those are down to $20. The third possibility is that someone working there didn't know the difference and put the L Prize bulbs in the wrong spot.

    I just bought my first l.e.d. bulb for indoor lighting, the L Prize bulb. I was looking at the other l.e.d. bulbs a long time before deciding this was the only one I wanted. I saw 800 lumen 13.5 watt bulbs at Costco discounted down to about $12. The florescents nearby were under $1 a piece and 900 lumens at 13 watts (more efficient than the l.e.d.). I saw the Philips l.e.d. bulbs at Home Depot. The $20 one with the remote phosphor was tempting as it was well built, but at 12.5 watts for 800+ lumens, it was still about the same as a florescent bulb. There was another Philips bulb that was more tempting. It was 10.5 watts at 800 lumens for $18. It would at least save a little over a florescent bulb. However, heatsinking wasn't the greatest and bulb life was lower. I doubted the bulb would last that long with how it was designed. I wanted something that I wouldn't have to replace. All the other l.e.d. bulbs made me realize that if I bought one, I would likely not use it for more than a year or two, when a more efficient bulb was available at half the price. I was tempted to buy the 10.5 watt Philips l.e.d. bulb as a stopgap until the L prize bulb went down in price, but decided to get the bulb I wanted from the start instead of buying one bulb now and one later. In California, for some reason, gas prices are skyrocketing and I figured electricity prices would follow. I wanted to get this bulb as an investment and hopefully it will pay off.

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    I got my LPrize bulb through the power company and it was in a commercial use box.
    It was marked Award Winning LED Bulb and L-Prize Winner. 10 watts 940 lumens.
    Order Code 10A19/LPRIZE-PRO/2700-900 DIM as it is from the professional packaged bulb.
    I can't say what the retail packaging may say.
    I have a few of the 12.5 watt EnduraLED bulbs.
    Both the retail and commercially packed ones are marked 12.5W 800 lumens.
    Older revision with the 18 LEDs PN:12E26A60
    Newer revision with less LEDs PN:12E26A60-1

    The L-Prize Bulb has a solid white metal base area. The EnduraLEDs have a ribbed aluminum base area.
    Last edited by BLH; 10-06-2012 at 04:28 AM. Reason: Add information

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    Default Re: Is anybody able to buy some of the Philips L-Prize bulbs for me at the subsidized

    If that's for the L Prize bulb, that's a great deal. If it's the similar looking 12.5 watt Phillips bulb that puts out 800 or so lumens, you're paying too much. Those are down to $20. The third possibility is that someone working there didn't know the difference and put the L Prize bulbs in the wrong spot.
    They are the L prize bulbs with the smooth, white body. Came displayed in a large, rectangular blister pack

    The similar-looking 12.5 watt Philips EnduraLED was priced only 3 cents less ($24.97) than the L prize bulb in the same store.
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    Default Re: Is anybody able to buy some of the Philips L-Prize bulbs for me at the subsidized

    Quote Originally Posted by BLH View Post
    A friend indicated that RI and MA have a $24.95 incentive and they pay $25.00 for theirs.
    I don't know if RI and MA increased their rebate, or are just applying the $25 against the new $35 price now most common on Amazon, but...
    L-Prize bulbs are now $10 for Rhode Island and Massachusetts utility customers!
    Don't think the price applies in retail stores, but I have friends who have confirmed they can order up to 12 bulbs per year at the $10 price (with free shipping to boot). Checkout requires inputting a customer number for one of the participating utilities to qualify. Time to call up your friends. Get them to hook you up!

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    That is a screaming price reduction!

    Come on, other states—let's see some rebate love!
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    Default Re: Is anybody able to buy some of the Philips L-Prize bulbs for me at the subsidized

    Just saw this L-Prize bulb on sale at a local Home Depot for $29.95. The advertising was touting the fact the price was dropped from $60. Nowhere near $9.99 like Rhode Island or Massachusetts. I gotta move...

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    Quote Originally Posted by sgt253 View Post
    Just saw this L-Prize bulb on sale at a local Home Depot for $29.95. The advertising was touting the fact the price was dropped from $60. Nowhere near $9.99 like Rhode Island or Massachusetts. I gotta move...
    I know I'm bumping an old thread but I thought it would be worthwhile to post that they're $15 now in Maryland, none available in northern VA. I bought three last night and initial impressions are good!

    What you can do is look the bulb up on HD's web site and then check store inventory, it will let you check within 50 miles of whatever zip code you input. I had to go a good ways out to find a store that had any of them, but fortunately two of them were near a friend's business. I guess you could also try the zip codes of friends/family that might be willing to pick some up for you and ship them to you.

    hope this helps!

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    Picked a few more up yesterday as I was in MD again. This time the display was gone and even though I'd checked store inventory before going and they showed 20-some in stock I couldn't find them. After asking an associate they were located on a shelf above the light bulb display, unmarked, unpriced, unmarketed... Had I not known what to look for I would have assumed that all they carried were the "standard" Philips LED bulbs and the Cree ones that they are really pushing now. Not knocking Cree at all but given roughly equivalent products with roughly equivalent pricing but one product has a higher CRI I will pick the higher CRI every time.

    I'm starting to wonder if these are going to be NLA soon (after what, a month or so at the discounted pricing? And me being behind the curve I just found out about them) as I suspect HD is making more money per sale on Cree bulbs and most consumers don't understand the difference between them - there's certainly nothing on HD's web site or in the store that addresses the CRI issue so the only obvious difference is that the Cree is slightly dimmer and slightly less efficient (and also slightly less expensive.)

    Part of me wants to stockpile these but that seems ludicrously silly. I'd like to think that Philips will a) keep making them and b) retool their higher wattage offerings using the same basic design as the L-prize bulb but my cynical part says that they'll probably sell more of a non-US made bulb with cheaper components that performs roughly equivalently so they'll take their prize money, fulfil a bunch of government contracts, then quietly stop production and concentrate on products that they can sell at a lower price point without subsidies. I hope that I'm wrong...!

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