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    Default Two new Stanley FAT MAX LED Spotlights out

    I was at Walmart today and noticed they had two new Stanley LED spotlights, one was $49.99 and claimed up to 2000 lumens with a Li-ion rechargeable cell and the other smaller one was 530 lumens or something close to that. The lumen claims I'm sure are bogus because the larger one that claims 2000 lumens looks to be a single XM-L and I couldn't tell what the LED in the smaller spotlight was. I still find it cool that they are using an XM-L and trying to keep up with the newest LEDs. I may pick one up this weekend but I don't know yet....

    P.S. sorry no pics, my phone was in my car.
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    Default Re: Two new Stanley LED Spotlights out

    My first response is wow, it's got a SST-90 in there for $49, what a deal!
    Upon further reading, Looks like Stanley is spreading the spotlight performance hyping tradition in the led area, what a shame.

    The incan spot lights has long been plagued by serious performance hyping, I.E. 15 Million cp spot light has measured CP of 400K or less (>37.5 fold performance hype), the rest of the models are hyped up proportionally as no one wants to under-claim their competitors. Average consumer doesn't know, my moon blaster shhort arc is 16 MCP, they are like, what's the big deal? I have a 15 MCP spotlight. LOL. by this method, My Swan Blaster short arc has 50*37.5 MCP, I.E 1875 Million Marketing CPs or "2 Billion CP Spotlight"
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    Default Re: Two new Stanley LED Spotlights out

    Does it have n SST-90? If it does, why can't it produce 2000 lumen?

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    Default Re: Two new Stanley LED Spotlights out

    Quote Originally Posted by cccpull View Post
    Does it have n SST-90? If it does, why can't it produce 2000 lumen?
    I wish it did! It looked like an XM-L, that's why I said their lumen claim was bogus.
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    Default Re: Two new Stanley LED Spotlights out

    Quote Originally Posted by my#1hobby View Post
    I wish it did! It looked like an XM-L, that's why I said their lumen claim was bogus.
    Yeah, I missed that. I read yours and ma sha1's posts too quickly. Would have been nice, though. It still could have 1000+ lumen.

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    Default Re: Two new Stanley LED Spotlights out

    Quote Originally Posted by cccpull View Post
    Yeah, I missed that. I read yours and ma sha1's posts too quickly. Would have been nice, though. It still could have 1000+ lumen.
    It's possible, but there weren't really any more specs other than it saying in big letters "UP TO 2000 LUMENS!" . I wish the package had more info on the battery and runtime.
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    Default Re: Two new Stanley LED Spotlights out

    I charged mine overnight. Compared to a Torchlab dropin running about 800 lumens. All-flood high-cri vs. cool-white "snow tint" xml spot.



    I'll bring it on this road trip. Maybe compare to my stanley 35w HID.

    It has 2 modes, full and half. They say it can run continuously on car 12v, and run while charging on the 12v, 500 mA wall plug.

    Edit: Looking at this at work, it looks like there must be over 1000 lumens in the hot spot. But relative comparisons between CCTs are tough. I hope to compare to the HID this weekend, maybe with photos.
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    Default Re: Two new Stanley LED Spotlights out

    Although the SST-90 would give pretty amazing performance in any of these large reflectored spots, I think that we can permanently rule out low cost examples on the basis of power supply and materials. No way they'll be running a SST-90 at 8-9A off a 3ah SLA or making large copper or aluminum heat sinks for them.

    I would like to see a de-domed SST-90 in a 9" spotlight though, just to see the beam profile and take a lux reading.

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    Default Re: Two new Stanley LED Spotlights out

    Hey Applesnail... can you measure the reflector dish diameter? Is the front window glass or plastic?

    The throwiest XML hand-held lights under ~$100 top out at around 50K lux with reflectors ~55mm across. If that stanley dish is a lot bigger than 55mm, I'm getting one.

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    Default Re: Two new Stanley LED Spotlights out

    Quote Originally Posted by AnAppleSnail View Post
    I charged mine overnight. Compared to a Torchlab dropin running about 800 lumens. All-flood high-cri vs. cool-white "snow tint" xml spot.



    I'll bring it on this road trip. Maybe compare to my stanley 35w HID.

    It has 2 modes, full and half. They say it can run continuously on car 12v, and run while charging on the 12v, 500 mA wall plug.

    Edit: Looking at this at work, it looks like there must be over 1000 lumens in the hot spot. But relative comparisons between CCTs are tough. I hope to compare to the HID this weekend, maybe with photos.
    Thanks for the pic AnAppleSnail, I'm surprised that it is even putting out that many lumens. Someone who bought one started a thread on this over in the LED section too and he says the hotspot looks twice as bright and 3 times smaller than his SWM T40CS, and very close in throw compared to his Dereelight ez900 Aspheric. I will be getting one this weekend.
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    Default Re: Two new Stanley LED Spotlights out

    I posted some pictures of the FatMax in the other thread in the LED section.
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    Default Re: Two new Stanley LED Spotlights out

    I figure I'll post this here too....Got a chance to play with my new FatMax and I'm super impressed with the output and throw on it. It's not too often that I get impressed with a light from Walmart. It's smaller than I expected it to be and really light. As soon as it charged up I pulled out my S12 figuring the Stanley had no chance and pointed the S12 down my hallway and then turned on the Stanley and it just completely blew the S12 away, the hotspot is really intense!

    Also, does anyone's wall charger make a slight high pitch squeal?
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    Default Re: Two new Stanley LED Spotlights out

    I'm a little bummed I can't find one of these in my area. (North Houston) I've been to several Wal-marts and they only carry Brinkmann or Black & Decker, no Stanley lights.

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    Default Re: Two new Stanley LED Spotlights out

    Glass lens. Haven't measured the bezel. No charger squeal. Almost as bright as the stanley hid. Pardon brevity.



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    Default Re: Two new Stanley LED Spotlights out

    530 lumens from an XP-C
    2000 lumens from an XM-L

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    Default Re: Two new Stanley LED Spotlights out

    Quote Originally Posted by bshanahan14rulz View Post
    530 lumens from an XP-C
    2000 lumens from an XM-L
    Why not finish the sentence? "...in fantasy land?" It's pretty dang bright, though; not too far from the Stanley HID.

    All I can do is compare what I've got. Ceiling bounce indicates over 1000 lumens, and probably less than 2000. I'm certainly curious what they did in "internal testing" to reach 2000 lumens as claimed.
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    Default Re: Two new Stanley LED Spotlights out

    Oh, who really thinks they tested these?!?!? ;-)

    If anybody knows what an xp-c is, they know how ridiculous it is to be claiming 530 lumsn from that, or even 2000 lumens from an XM-L
    Last edited by bshanahan14rulz; 06-18-2012 at 10:34 AM. Reason: Original wording seemed like a personal attack. I really gotta start rereading before I click post...

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    Default Re: Two new Stanley LED Spotlights out

    Quote Originally Posted by bshanahan14rulz View Post
    Oh, who really thinks they tested these?!?!? ;-)

    If anybody knows what an xp-c is, they know how ridiculous it is to be claiming 530 lumsn from that, or even 2000 lumens from an XM-L
    Well, I'm just saying that I can think of some out-of-the-box ways to get 2000 lumens from an XM-L for a bit, but I wouldn't even solder wires to it for that "test." Anyway, it's not a bad spotlight. I haven't done a runtime test, and I'm getting here by phone mostly and can't find other threads on it.

    Original wording seemed like a personal attack.
    No problem. I didn't see it, and I do think the 2000 lumen claim must be creatively defined. That'd be what, 15-20W to the LED? I've got a triple Nichia that takes 15W, and the Stanley doesn't get warm like that.
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    Default Re: Two new Stanley LED Spotlights out

    ^yeah, I heard that the extra lumens comes from the bond wires glowing from all the current ;-)

    Well, at the very least (if anyone can get into these things), they'd make a great host for trying to overdrive an XML to try to meet that claim. You could easily fit a good sized heatsink or even just a huge slug of copper in there, maybe even a peltier for that extra boost. Plus, gotta love that gigant-o-reflector. I bet the XP-C version throws pretty well too, especially taking into account how small the xp-c emitter is compared to the xm-l.

    I am curious to see guts pics, esp. of the heatsinking and the thermal train. And it would be neat to learn how hard they are driving the LED.
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    Default Re: Two new Stanley LED Spotlights out

    Quote Originally Posted by bshanahan14rulz View Post
    ^yeah, I heard that the extra lumens comes from the bond wires glowing from all the current ;-)

    Well, at the very least (if anyone can get into these things), they'd make a great host for trying to overdrive an XML to try to meet that claim. You could easily fit a good sized heatsink or even just a huge slug of copper in there, maybe even a peltier for that extra boost. Plus, gotta love that gigant-o-reflector. I bet the XP-C version throws pretty well too, especially taking into account how small the xp-c emitter is compared to the xm-l.
    I'd be very surprised the xp-c version threw well at all, given how low the surface brightness is for that LED. It will be a small-tight spot, but not very bright at all.

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    Default Re: Two new Stanley LED Spotlights out

    Hmm, ok, let me rephrase, I bet the xp-c version will have a splendidly low divergence :-) Personally, I don't know anything about the surface brightness of that particular LED, but would have assumed that it would be about the same as the rest of Cree's LEDs, if not slightly higher.

    I have to admit that, while I love LEDs, and they are infinitely more useful, I still have this strange fascination with lasers, specifically the precise nature of light control. Much easier to play with lenses that way.

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    Default Re: Two new Stanley LED Spotlights out

    Doesn't saalbuster use xp-c emitters in his DEFT edcs (all versions)? He said that these emitters have a higher surface brightness than xr-e emitters when heavily overdriven.

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    Default Re: Two new Stanley LED Spotlights out

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Driver View Post
    Doesn't saalbuster use xp-c emitters in his DEFT edcs (all versions)? He said that these emitters have a higher surface brightness than xr-e emitters when heavily overdriven.
    That may be the case... and it should be noted that my experience with it is limited to more modest drive currents in poorer performing thermal hosts (P60 pills). I have never used it in an over-driven design with copper or a heatsink designed to handle the heat. I may have given up on it a but too early...?
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    Default Re: Two new Stanley LED Spotlights out

    I'm pretty sure that he modifies the XP-C itself for better thermal performance to allow it to have the higher surface brightness that his lights produce. I could be wrong on this, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BradTheNailer View Post
    I'm a little bummed I can't find one of these in my area. (North Houston) I've been to several Wal-marts and they only carry Brinkmann or Black & Decker, no Stanley lights.
    Look in the automotive section, not where all the other lights are. You may have already looked there, but I did not realize there was lights in the automotive section up until a short time ago. I do not buy too much car accessories from Walmart!

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    Default Re: Two new Stanley LED Spotlights out

    I looked in hunting/camping, tools, and automotive. nuffin. I'll try a couple more tomorrow.

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    Default Re: Two new Stanley LED Spotlights out

    they are big items, so they hide them in spots if they can't fit in the usual places. I've found them in the automotive section, in the camping and outdoors by boating stuff, and you might even check the flashlights out that are usually near the hunting stuff.

    Also, check each one, not just the one in front. To my own detriment I will tip you off and say that if I see something that there is only one of, I'll hide it behind a crappy light that looks the same until I can come back a few days later with moneys.

    A few also had round stickers that screamed out in bold numbers their 2000 and 520 lumen claims. Heh, I was certain that I'd see a luminus big-chip of some variety in there. Still a cool light.
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    Default Re: Two new Stanley LED Spotlights out

    I checked my local WallMart and I saw at least 4~5 Stanley Spotlights, but no XM-L FatMax.

    Maybe today I will have better luck.

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    Default Re: Two new Stanley LED Spotlights out

    Even a 1000L or half of claimed output seems ridiculous but it would certainly be amazing in this light at that price. I've got two Walmart's within reasonable distance so I'm heading out for a look and some lunch.....

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